Anybody else?

[Matthias]

Does anyone else feel a sense of dread? It's kind of like this undercurrent. Subtle, but it's there. It's like there's something wrong in our society, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.

Now 10 days and 121 posts deep in the thread. Feeling any better, any worse, or the same?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That’s good, that you don’t blame God for all the dissension, that humans cause!

Jesus knew that after his going away, there would be those claiming to know Him, but doing bad things. His words at Matthew 7:21-23 are telling.

So what can a person do?

Well, Jesus also knew something else: that truth is ‘revealed to the childlike’ by His Father (Luke 10:21); these ones would be blessed by God’s spirit and display it’s fruitage, which is “love…peace…. kindness…” - Galatians 5:22,23.
So Jesus said this @ John 13:35…. “All will know that you are My disciples, if you have love among yourselves.” - See John 15:12,17
It would be observed by others.

So for those wondering about who has the truth, Jesus cut through all the doctrinal disputes; he said to look for His sheep who are loving their brothers. And even loving their enemies. -Matthew 5:44

His disciples’ love would especially be evident, ie., easily observed by others, when it was most challenging: during times of war & conflict.

These ones, while hated by the world (John 15:19), would also have the truth. And the unity that only God’s spirit can produce. - 1Corinthians 1:10

Love this! To me it helps even more with the mindset of being “hated by the world”. Just my opinion but why would God want or desire His children to be hated by the world. You see a message, I’ve heard it too …a message of instilling or granting “arrogance” or “pride” in that message of “you will be hated” even as “they hated Me first” …often that brings out or reveals. ….if you are hated for His namesake then you’ve hit a sore spot or you’ve provoked hatred by your being “right”. Like a badge of honor to be despised and hated. But your post above to me reveals the why of being hated by the world …so that the Love of God can be observed —manifested—in the world. To me then it’s not being hated or despised to gloat but to do as He said in your above post. Why then do His children have those who hate and despise them gather around them…is it not for the Love of God and the power of God ..The Spirit of power, of Love and of a Sound Mind to overcome the spirit of bondage again to fear? Point is…is being hated or despised opportunity? Where Paul spoke on I’ll come and know the power …whether it is puffed up talk or if it is the power of God.

John 17:21-26 That they all may be one; as You, Father, are in me, and I in You, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. [22] And the glory which thou gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: [23] I in them, and You in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent me, and has loved them, as You have loved me. [24] Father, I will that they also, whom You have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which You have given me: for You loved me before the foundation of the world. [25] O righteous Father, the world has not known You: but I have known You, and these have known that You have sent me. [26] And I have declared unto them Your name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith You have loved me may be in them, and I in them.

But you hear often being hated and despised is to prove right doctrine…like the passage where there will be those that come in and don’t have this knowledge of Christ …this is to show who among you are approved of God. When first reading.. sounds like those coming in is to prove who has the right doctrine. To me it’s their coming in so that His Love is proved even upon His enemies . who is being spoken to as being revealed …those wrong among you and unapproved OR for the sake of “perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent me, and has loved them, as You have loved me.”

To me the greater is: that you not only love your brothers, but God’s power is that He loved His enemies also, which enemies of the cross you all have once been.

Just my opinion…but what you see is a badge of honor of being hated and despised…without the works or the Power of God, in the face of opportunity .. you said: So for those wondering about who has the truth, Jesus cut through all the doctrinal disputes; he said to look for His sheep who are loving their brothers. And even loving their enemies. -Matthew 5:44

 

[VictoryinJesus]

you said: So for those wondering about who has the truth, Jesus cut through all the doctrinal disputes; he said to look for His sheep who are loving their brothers. And even loving their enemies. -Matthew 5:44

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.
Just my opinion but consider the magnitude of ….look for new heavens and a new earth…where Christ dwells …to me it’s not some pipe dream way off but is exactly as you shared …right in front of our faces and whether we choose to hold fast to our doctrines that teach otherwise …looking for New heavens and a new earth..Look for His sheep, you’ll know them by their Fruit …what are is the Fruit? Christ, wherein dwells righteousness …if any be in Christ, He is a New creature, old things have passed away, all things becoming New…you can’t be any more specific than you’ll know them by their Fruit…Look for New heavens and a new earth, Look for His sheep: So for those wondering about who has the truth, Jesus cut through all the doctrinal disputes; he said to look for His sheep who are loving their brothers. And even loving their enemies. -Matthew 5:44

 

[PS95]

@Riven
Hi. I'm another Christian who has his beliefs and thinks they are correct, until I'm convinced otherwise. Stubborn lot aren't we. But that's actually a good thing. What kind of faith would it be of we all believed stuff and all changed those beliefs every second day at the drop of a hat? I have changed church demonstrations twice in just under 50 years. For very good reasons. And I'm sure others here have their reasons also. Thing is this. God knows who are His. And He isn't that arbitrary judgemental tyrant many claim Him to be. We are not going to be lost on account of a couple of misunderstood doctrines that don't affect salvation... However, there are a few doctrines that are absolutely essential to get right. How do we arrive at a place where we can be confident of our beliefs? By doing exactly what Scripture says.
"Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness". Matthew 6:33.
And that begins on your knees.

"Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness". Matthew 6:33.

& His righteousness!!

 

[PS95]

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.
Just my opinion but consider the magnitude of ….look for new heavens and a new earth…where Christ dwells …to me it’s not some pipe dream way off but is exactly as you shared …right in front of our faces and whether we choose to hold fast to our doctrines that teach otherwise …looking for New heavens and a new earth..Look for His sheep, you’ll know them by their Fruit …what are is the Fruit? Christ, wherein dwells righteousness …if any be in Christ, He is a New creature, old things have passed away, all things becoming New…you can’t be any more specific than you’ll know them by their Fruit…Look for New heavens and a new earth, Look for His sheep: So for those wondering about who has the truth, Jesus cut through all the doctrinal disputes; he said to look for His sheep who are loving their brothers. And even loving their enemies. -Matthew 5:44

Yes, Jesus cut through doctrinal disputes that are not essentials. Agree! He taught liberty in all non-essentials!
We should love those who dont love us. Bless those who curse us. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love your enemy. I agree!
Do you see a disparity between what Jesus taught and what He & his disciples said when speaking to or about
false teachers, false prophets, & the Pharisees?

 

[Riven]

Now 10 days and 121 posts deep in the thread. Feeling any better, any worse, or the same?

Better. Since I joined, my grandmother was hospitalized and Trump was nearly assassinated. That sense of dread has subsided. Although I can't say if it were ant of these two events that caused it.

All that being said, I have had instances in the past when things would happen and it would seem like I've already seen it happen before. Places I've never been to before seem intimately familiar to me. That kind of thing.

When I was a child, I could see ghosts. I would often wake up in the middle of the night, only to see my entire room on fire. I've discussed this with a friend once and he thought it sounded like sleep paralysis. I'm just glad it doesn't happen anymore. Lol.

 

[Matthias]

Better. Since I joined, my grandmother was hospitalized and Trump was nearly assassinated. That sense of dread has subsided. Although I can't say if it were ant of these two events that caused it.

All that being said, I have had instances in the past when things would happen and it would seem like I've already seen it happen before. Places I've never been to before seem intimately familiar to me. That kind of thing.

When I was a child, I could see ghosts. I would often wake up in the middle of the night, only to see my entire room on fire. I've discussed this with a friend once and he thought it sounded like sleep paralysis. I'm just glad it doesn't happen anymore. Lol.

Better is good but it sometimes leads to a feeling of there being no urgency to act.

 

[Riven]

Better is good but it sometimes leads to a feeling of there being no urgency to act.

Because I'm not saved? You think that's what the feeling was really about?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Better. Since I joined, my grandmother was hospitalized and Trump was nearly assassinated. That sense of dread has subsided. Although I can't say if it were ant of these two events that caused it.

I hope your grandmother is OK....but curious about your comment regarding your former President....?

All that being said, I have had instances in the past when things would happen and it would seem like I've already seen it happen before. Places I've never been to before seem intimately familiar to me. That kind of thing.

We all experience déjà vu at some time in our lives.....science has tried to explain that feeling of knowing someone or somewhere that is inordinately familiar.....but I have heard it said that the genes and cells in our bodies have memories, so who knows?

When I was a child, I could see ghosts. I would often wake up in the middle of the night, only to see my entire room on fire. I've discussed this with a friend once and he thought it sounded like sleep paralysis. I'm just glad it doesn't happen anymore. Lol.

Have you considered night terrors? My grandson used to have them wherever he got sick with a fever. He would see and hear things that were not there and scream in fear. His mother had to hold him and try and calm him down because what he saw was very real and terrifying to him.
As he got older the terrors subsided and now that he is an adult, he doesn’t get them anymore.

I don’t think anyone knows what causes these either....the mind is an amazing thing when it can create realities that do not exist.

 

[PS95]

Better. Since I joined, my grandmother was hospitalized and Trump was nearly assassinated. That sense of dread has subsided. Although I can't say if it were ant of these two events that caused it.

How is your grandmother now? any better? (I STILL dont see anythiing about your grandson?- i'm sorry)
--Trump. - good to see him healthy & strong tonight!!!
I'm glad he has Corey's fireman's gear.

All that being said, I have had instances in the past when things would happen and it would seem like I've already seen it happen before. Places I've never been to before seem intimately familiar to me. That kind of thing.

Is that similar to what they call, deja vu? Just a brief momentary feeling like that already happened..?

When I was a child, I could see ghosts. I would often wake up in the middle of the night, only to see my entire room on fire. I've discussed this with a friend once and he thought it sounded like sleep paralysis. I'm just glad it doesn't happen anymore. Lol.

That's awful. I have heard of sleep paralysis but dont know much about it. Kids have all sorts of things going on at night in bed!. I'm not saying it didnt happen. But Idk why kids seem to have to deal stuff like that. I remember some odd things as well.- may just have been fear. but I was sure there were people in my closet. lol One night I woke up to praying hands on the side of my bed on the floor- glowing. I was freaked but my parents said it was just a dream. It wasn't.~

About being saved. All that i know is that for me, I have a great peace inside and joy when i am focused on Him. In this world we are going to have troubles. Jesus didnt sugar coat that. I dont like what's happening in the world, but I know who is in control ultimately, and that's what matters. It's a deep internal peace wrapped in His love. It's crazy but it's like no matter what happens, I know it will all be ok. Nothing happens that He doesn't know. If I ever start feeling stressed I know I have taken my eyes off of HIm. He always gives me comfort and takes away my fears.


I have some scripture for you. No pressure, but if you feel drawn by the Lord's words- talk to Him.
He said He would never cast you out.


At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. 26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. 27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matt 11:25-30

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[PS95]

If you are not saved then never mind... the devil is your father so you cannot cast out demons.

They are in the process of taking over your mind. Better get born again before it's too late!

Leave her alone you creep before I report you!

 

[PS95]

I hope your grandmother is OK....but curious about your comment regarding your former President....?

We all experience déjà vu at some time in our lives.....science has tried to explain that feeling of knowing someone or somewhere that is inordinately familiar.....but I have heard it said that the genes and cells in our bodies have memories, so who knows?

Have you considered night terrors? My grandson used to have them wherever he got sick with a fever. He would see and hear things that were not there and scream in fear. His mother had to hold him and try and calm him down because what he saw was very real and terrifying to him.
As he got older the terrors subsided and now that he is an adult, he doesn’t get them anymore.

I don’t think anyone knows what causes these either....the mind is an amazing thing when it can create realities that do not exist.

Oh Jane,
it's funny we both clicked like on VictoryinJesus' post about "loving your enemy."


Are you going to stop shunning me? I was not
baptized as JW!!! I do oppose JW teachings! But you oppose Christians and we dont shun you.

 

[Angelina]

Attention: Dan has been permanently removed from this thread. Please note: Christians who engage in this section must respect the fact that they are not here to judge or condemn members who are not believers but to answer their questions in an appropriate (Godly) manner. Thank you

 

[Matthias]

Because I'm not saved? You think that's what the feeling was really about?

No, I don’t think that’s what the feeling was really about.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes, Jesus cut through doctrinal disputes that are not essentials. Agree! He taught liberty in all non-essentials!
We should love those who dont love us. Bless those who curse us. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love your enemy. I agree!
Do you see a disparity between what Jesus taught and what He & his disciples said when speaking to or about
false teachers, false prophets, & the Pharisees?

That’s a good question. I don’t have the answer. I do read Jesus speak out against the Pharisees, and false doctrine. But ultimately (only my opinion) Jesus went to the crucifixion to demonstrate the Love of God in putting off or down what is false.

I think you’re asking the last part due to your scars of what you’ve experienced with JWs. You mentioned their teaching having a huge impact within your family. I could be wrong but I think you asked that
… to ask if you are wrong for doing as Jesus did in speaking out about false teachings?

I’ve not experienced the same as you. I’ve felt victimized by what I now consider false doctrines. The rapture doctrine being one. Another is the prosperity gospel. My husband and I watched Kenneth Copeland last night and I felt that same disgust that I think you feel from having an up close dealings with certain teachings that made an impact on my life, even a negative impact. It disgust me when Kenneth Copeland starts drooling talking about how the reason he is so filthy rich is because …if you read the bible it promises “great” wealth. his definition of wealth is different from mine. I’ve fallen for those things in the past. I could have easily been a victim of certain teachings. Like you are saying about JWS affecting your family…I’ve experienced this too but it was other teachings that affected my family negatively.

Point is…I can’t get on board with you concerning JWs because I have not walked in your shoes and don’t know your scars or damage. (I know little to none about JWs). But I do have my own damage concerning other teachings. Your question is a good one…to speak out or not to speak out? I can relate with why you keep bringing it up from a place of “damaging doctrines”. I just haven’t experienced any damage. My damaging doctrines have been other doctrines …many I pushed as “this the truth” to later ask “what was I thinking pushing that?”

 

[Brakelite]

Does anyone else feel a sense of dread? It's kind of like this undercurrent. Subtle, but it's there. It's like there's something wrong in our society, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.

There is absolutely something going on in the world and if you are aware of it, and are fearful, it is because you see no way out. Jesus said that during these days, men's hearts will fail them for fear of those things coming upon the world. Today's events with global crisis in corporations and tech companies, along with the collapse of so many banks in China and so many losing their life's savings, is a hint, and small example of what is coming upon the planet very soon. I will offer you 2 things.
1. If you pray, and ask God to help you understand, and guide you to look in the right places, you will find who and what and where the threats are coming from.
2. Don't pray in a way you think will please God. Don't try to impress Him. Seriously. Pray from the heart. Pray what you genuinely feel. Be honest. Brutally so if necessary. Don't be formal and use language you wouldn't use with your best friend. Just talk.
KJV Jeremiah 29:12-13
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

When you find Him, and get to know Him, He will become your refuge, your strength, and the answers to your fears and doubts. And Jesus is the only answer. Nothing else can help you. Nothing... No-one, can help any of us concerning those things coming upon the earth... Except Jesus.

 

[Brakelite]

His righteousness!!

Yes. I remember when the Lord spoke those words to me in memory 30 years ago after I pleaded forgiveness and asked Him to save my marriage and my children. My family was a mess. I was backslidden , and my family were doing the same stuff I had been doing 20 years prior when before I was saved. I needed Jesus. I poured my heart out to Him and that Scripture came to mind. I understood the basics of the kingdom. What I didn't know was what is His righteousness. Whatever it was, I needed that to. The following couple of months brought about a very intense, necessary, and interesting Bible study, and discovery, for which today I am still very grateful. God is good.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

There is absolutely something going on in the world and if you are aware of it, and are fearful, it is because you see no way out. Jesus said that during these days, men's hearts will fail them for fear of those things coming upon the world.

Just an opinion. I have some odd views but I still want to share them for consideration. That is one of my favorite passages “men’s heart failing them out of fear of those things coming upon the earth.” It reminds of the waves roaring …the waves often described as “proud waves” (men), set with a boundary “come this far and no further” which do they listen?…how could the waves be proud men?…see that you are not pushed about as a wave on the sea, driven about by every wind of doctrine. Tossed? A roar? A failing…of proud men.

But to me it’s Good News because what comes directly following “then they will see the Son of man coming…” Proverbs 16:18-19 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. [19] Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
Before the fall…men’s hearts failing out of fear of those things coming upon the earth. Consider Peter who stepped out on the waves and began to sink out of fear…Good News is who was walking upon the roaring sea towards Peter …an the picture of “look up, lift up your heads for your redeemer draws near.” Is this a picture of Peters heart failing out of fear of those things coming upon the earth and his redemption drawing near? Don’t forget …where Jesus Christ himself told Peter you will deny me …we see Peters fear when they asked “were you with that fellow? Didn’t we see you?”

Good news (Imo) is His coming to help those whose hearts are failing …wail and be heavy hearted you sinners, and He will lift you up? Luke 21:26-28 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. [27] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. [28] And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

^mens hearts failing them for fear of those things coming upon the earth” followed by “And THEN they shall see the Son of man coming in a cloud of power and great glory.” …when you see this come to pass …look up as Peter looked up, lift up your heads …for your redemption draws near. Then the Word goes into when you see these things…you will know God is close at hand.

 

[PS95]

That’s a good question. I don’t have the answer. I do read Jesus speak out against the Pharisees, and false doctrine. But ultimately (only my opinion) Jesus went to the crucifixion to demonstrate the Love of God in putting off or down what is false.

I think you’re asking the last part due to your scars of what you’ve experienced with JWs. You mentioned their teaching having a huge impact within your family. I could be wrong but I think you asked that
… to ask if you are wrong for doing as Jesus did in speaking out about false teachings?

I’ve not experienced the same as you. I’ve felt victimized by what I now consider false doctrines. The rapture doctrine being one. Another is the prosperity gospel. My husband and I watched Kenneth Copeland last night and I felt that same disgust that I think you feel from having an up close dealings with certain teachings that made an impact on my life, even a negative impact. It disgust me when Kenneth Copeland starts drooling talking about how the reason he is so filthy rich is because …if you read the bible it promises “great” wealth. his definition of wealth is different from mine. I’ve fallen for those things in the past. I could have easily been a victim of certain teachings. Like you are saying about JWS affecting your family…I’ve experienced this too but it was other teachings that affected my family negatively.

Point is…I can’t get on board with you concerning JWs because I have not walked in your shoes and don’t know your scars or damage. (I know little to none about JWs). But I do have my own damage concerning other teachings. Your question is a good one…to speak out or not to speak out? I can relate with why you keep bringing it up from a place of “damaging doctrines”. I just haven’t experienced any damage. My damaging doctrines have been other doctrines …many I pushed as “this the truth” to later ask “what was I thinking pushing that?”

Hi VinJ,
I have heard of Copeland, but I avoid the false teachers with their prosperity gospel, as Paul said- let them be accursed.
I'm sorry that they misled you. I'm glad that you now see. Since I was raised in false teachings who twist the scriptures. I learned to become very careful. Jesus taught us to be cautious and beware of false teachers. It's not always easy to detect, but He gives us discernment when we ask! I have not picked up on any Copeland type teachers on this forum. Have you?
If you did and they were daily attempting to mislead others on here, would you speak up?
Would that be the loving thing to do in the hopes of sparing others?

As to rapture -I believe there is ONE return.- The Second Coming. (Jws also twisted that.)
Jesus knows how to save us from the wrath to come. Believers arent destined for that wrath, according to scriptures. So, however He does that is ok with me!

Back to Jws- I am not asking anything of you with regard to them. I didnt mean to make you feel that way. I'm sorry if you felt that way.
You brought up loving your enemies and I love that teaching of course.
When it comes to me and Jws and XJWs- we dont sound very loving toward each other. It isnt as if Xjws have a hatred toward JWs-
They are taught to hate us. call us apostates- shun us, even family shuns if you leave.
I was not baptized and still am shunned. I'm not hurt about it anymore- it's been many years- would I prefer it to be different? Sure, but it isnt. I have tried. They are forbidden to speak to us. There is a reason for that---- and it is not biblical at all.

Yes I was speaking about Jesus, but also about his disciples.
Paul taught that anyone who brings a different gospel- let them be accursed, and he buckled down and said it again.
remember? He said to expose false teachers.
He also spoke against legalistic teachers- circumcism, remember? Galations. he said he hoped "they go mutilate themselves."
I could go, on but you probably already know. There is endless legalism with the Jws.

JWs absolutely teach a very different gospel. They say the original was fulfilled. They teach a 1914 Invisible return of Jesus who chose only them to be the chosen church.. ( it is totally different from the faith once delivered to the saints which we are to stand firm in. It not a matter of my opinion at all. Nowhere near.
Jesus warned all of us about His return and said ;
Matt 24
For false christs and false prophets will arise and will provide great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25Behold, I have told you in advance. 26So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

And "every eye will see Him"
You would think that would be enough, but the Watchtower twists and plays with words and pyramid measurements and make up false dates for the Destruction of Jerusalem and lies about it.
The giant pyramid was recently removed from Russells grave in Pittsburg by the WT Society. No one knows how it go there...

If someone doesn't know the scriptures or the Lord- they can be deceived. It happens every day. It happened to my parents. It happens to many. It's not about intelligence level. This is deceit. It's about spiritual discernment, as Jesus noted there. I do not think it is possible if you belong to the Lord, but notice what He said. It's that deceiving.
Charles Taze Russell- the JWs first president, falsely predicted the return of Christ for 1874 and 1914. After it did not happen he changed it to an invisible return. Jws like to say that WW2 was predicted. NO IT WASNT. - that's deceit.
The kept changing what it means and today its about run it's course of lies but they will have to figure out a way to keep it going to retain membership, OR just chang it and say Jehovah changed it. That's usually who they blame for changes.

This link is very accurate about 1914--- He was once a member of the Watchtower's "Governing body."-- (their leaders)
The Blind Watchtower and the False Prophecy of 1914 – Many Prophets, One Message

This false prophecy leads them into a parable to twist--- about the faithful slave-- which causes Jws to submit to the Watchtower as God's sole channel or mouthpiece on earth. It's a disaster for these members. They will do whatever they say. It's mind control.

That's only the tip of this iceberg..

Long story short--
Watchtower's Jesus is not the Jesus of the scriptures. They teach he was a just a man (although sinless?) his birth came about by Michael the archangel's "impersonal life-force" being put into Mary's ovum. Nowhere do the scriptures teach any of that.
And that is why JWs dont like to talk about it when asked. See my thread- "BIBLE SAYS WHAT?" no replies.
Although, it certainly begins an avalache of false teaching sas you can imagine.

They teach that Jesus did not give his life for our sins. Despite what the scriptures say.
That He only died for Adam's sin (original sin- although Adam wont be forgiven)
That when they die physically, that is how they pay for their sins and are forgiven because they paid the "wage"
They come up with that one by plucking Romans 6:7 utterly out of context and combining it with half of the last verse of the chapter verse 23.
See here for how that goes--

Q for JW- KIEW?

Hi Kiew, you've stated this a couple of times now on another thread-- "Romans 6:7-Acquitted of all sin at death. The judgement God gave to all men=The wages of sin = death. Once dead have paid in full the wages of sin. Gods pure justice could not rejudge one on past sins once they died and paid...

www.christianityboard.com

There is SO much more , but I dont want to bore you. Why fill anyone's head with this garbage?
Yet, JWs are here on these forums seeking to convert others by deceitful tactics. I have a heart for them and want them to be free In Christ, but they reject that, and that is the mind control at work. It is a very real thing. I was once that way. I have a responsibility from the Lord to help others not to be deceived, as He has freed me. I do not like this task at all. I would prefer to forget it all, and lead my life. When He allows me that, I will rejoice.
I dont expect you to get involved in this research! I just posted in case you wanted to. I dont recommend it if you love the Lord, and I believe that you do!
Take care VinJ -- was nice to meet you. Feel free to PM me if you have any Q's.

 

[PS95]

Yes. I remember when the Lord spoke those words to me in memory 30 years ago after I pleaded forgiveness and asked Him to save my marriage and my children. My family was a mess. I was backslidden , and my family were doing the same stuff I had been doing 20 years prior when before I was saved. I needed Jesus. I poured my heart out to Him and that Scripture came to mind. I understood the basics of the kingdom. What I didn't know was what is His righteousness. Whatever it was, I needed that to. The following couple of months brought about a very intense, necessary, and interesting Bible study, and discovery, for which today I am still very grateful. God is good.

Yes!! Its the GIFT!!! How great is our God?!!!!!!

another thing JWs ignore and only quote ONLY the first half of the verse about the kingdom to say only they teach the kingdom. it's just so sad.