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St. SteVen

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St. SteVen said:
That's your opinion. Unless you can prove it to be true. Good luck.
Dont you believe in anything?
Perhaps you misunderstand what faith is? It means believing in something for which there is no concrete proof.

Believing in something does NOT make it true.



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The anxious will burn in hell? Wow. That remark is so unhinged.
Correct: What does Revelation 21:8 mean? | BibleRef.com

Or in other words, the cowardly, and those who do not have faith in Christ. You can disagree with what the Bible says if you want, but that verse is very clear.

As a UR, if you're an evil person, you're forced to be good against your will so you can enter heaven based on your goodness that you were forced into against your will (which also makes it about what you've done, rather than what Jesus did).

Where's the justice in that?

Where's the love in being forced to be good?

Why is Jesus' atonement necessary if people are cleansed by the fire?

Why did God give us free will, only to ultimately force us to be on good behaviour, else we get put into the refining chamber again?

Unless you mean to say that sin can enter heaven?
 
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Yes. But I could be terribly wrong. How about you?

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What happens if you're wrong about UR: you burn in hell because you never trusted in Jesus' sacrifice for you to get you into heaven. Rather you believed that being tortured into good behaviour (by going through purgatory and realising you were wrong, thus forcing you to be good) earns you a ticket into heaven.

What happens if I'm wrong about UR: I get corrected when I die

--- PARODY ---
God: It repents of its sin or else it gets the fire again
You: Please God I just want to keep sinning
God: It repents of its sin or else it gets the fire again! She will precious she will get the fire!
You: O-okay I'll be a good boy! Does this earn me a ticket into heaven now?
 
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Or in other words, the cowardly, and those who do not have faith in Christ. You can disagree with what the Bible says if you want, but that verse is very clear.
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The Bible is very clear on your opinion of what it means? Wow.

How can you justify your claim?
cowardly = those who do not have faith in Christ
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The anxious will burn in hell ?????

As a UR, if you're an evil person, you're forced to be good against your will so you can enter heaven based on your goodness that you were forced into against your will (which also makes it about what you've done, rather than what Jesus did).
Do you have reading comprehension issues? Let's read the Strong's definition for the THIRD time.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Where's the justice in that?
Most people are in the church because of spiritual extortion. Believe or burn. Where's the justice in that?

Where's the love in being forced to be good?
Most people are in the church because of spiritual extortion. Believe or burn. Where's the love in that?

Why is Jesus' atonement necessary if people are cleansed by the fire?
Salvation is in the atonement. The purifying fire is for personal preparation. Correction and restoration.

Why did God give us free will, only to ultimately force us to be on good behaviour, else we get put into the refining chamber again?
More reading comprehension issues? Did the coal from the altar burn Isaiah's lips? (Isaiah 6:6)

Unless you mean to say that sin can enter heaven?
In the book of Job, Satan has an audience with God. Did sin enter heaven?

What happens if you're wrong about UR: you burn in hell because you never trusted in Jesus' sacrifice for you to get you into heaven. Rather you believed that being tortured into good behaviour (by going through purgatory and realising you were wrong, thus forcing you to be good) earns you a ticket into heaven.
More reading comprehension issues?

Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection)

What happens if I'm wrong about UR: I get corrected when I die
Jesus said you would be better off without that eye or hand that makes you sin.
I wouldn't assume that your correction will pleasant. Neither is heart surgery, but it will save your life.

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Yes, you are welcome to your opinion.


That's your opinion. Unless you can prove it to be true. Good luck.


The anxious will burn in hell? Wow. That remark is so unhinged.

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Why are you in a Christian forum if you deny the Bible is the Word of God? Are you lost?
 
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St. SteVen said:
The anxious will burn in hell? Wow. That remark is so unhinged.
It's what the Bible says though! Revelation 21:8!
Maybe you should question what the Bible says? Did the church steal your brain?

What else does the Bible say about being anxious?
Will anxious believers burn in hell?

Philippians 4:6 NIV
Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition,
with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

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--- PARODY ---
God: It repents of its sin or else it gets the fire again
You: Please God I just want to keep sinning
God: It repents of its sin or else it gets the fire again! She will precious she will get the fire!
You: O-okay I'll be a good boy! Does this earn me a ticket into heaven now?
So you envision God as Gollum? - LOL

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Most people are in the church because of spiritual extortion. Believe or burn. Where's the love in that?
There isn't any. But that's not what Christians believe. It's actually what you believe.

The fire is for our correction?
So us being correct is what gets us into heaven?

I'll owe God an apology for having such high regard for his character.
While others are corrected for their low regard for his character.

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Your apologies won't earn you a ticket into heaven either. And I would say thinking God would force people to love him is quite insulting to him.

Love cannot be forced.
 

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More reading comprehension issues? Did the coal from the altar burn Isaiah's lips? (Isaiah 6:6)
You missed the part where he WILLINGLY repented:
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.” - Isaiah 6:5

God did not force him to repent. Forcing repentance is evil (and impossible). Repentance comes purely as your own response to seeing God's divinity, kindness, mercy, grace and love, and seeing how vile and evil you are in contrast to him. It does not come through torture or fire.

Repenting out of fear is not real repentance. It's a contradiction. It proves that you haven't really changed your mind on sin, rather, you're just too afraid to admit the truth.
 
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The fire is for our correction?
So us being correct is what gets us into heaven?
No. Why do you keep making false claims about my position?
Again... salvation for ALL humankind was accomplished on the cross.
The Age of correction is God's justice in preparation for heaven.
Everyone and everything must be restored.

Acts 3:21 NIV
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything,
as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

Your apologies won't earn you a ticket into heaven either. And I would say thinking God would force people to love him is quite insulting to him.

Love cannot be forced.
He probably doesn't appreciate your bearing false witness against me either.
How many times have I told you that it is NOT forced? (with biblical support) Yet you continue to bear false witness.

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God did not force him to repent.
How many times have I told you that UR is not about forced repentance?

I can't continue to discuss this with someone that intentionally misrepresents my position.

But since my aim is love, I'll repost some topics on the subject that will hopefully lead to genuine questions.

Build bridges, not walls.

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Yes. But I could be terribly wrong. How about you?

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Well what do you believe in then? Havent you put forth the assertion that the bible is not true and only opinion. Oh! So you're talking about something else besides the Lord?

Me? I believe in the word of God that it's true. I know it is. He showed me.
 

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How many times have I told you that UR is not about forced repentance?

I can't continue to discuss this with someone that intentionally misrepresents my position.

But since my aim is love, I'll repost some topics on the subject that will hopefully lead to genuine questions.

Build bridges, not walls.

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Yes it is forced love. Some people don't want to repent. Some people don't want to be corrected or restored. Them being tortured in the fire to be made correct is forcing them to be correct against their will. God will never force people to be good against their will. If I'm wrong, why can't you just explain why I'm wrong instead of saying "you're misrepresenting me it's not like that!"?

No. Why do you keep making false claims about my position?
Again... salvation for ALL humankind was accomplished on the cross.
The Age of correction is God's justice in preparation for heaven.
Everyone and everything must be restored.
Yet they can't enter heaven without being restored or corrected... So yes them being "correct" is what allows them into heaven. That's a works based gospel.
 
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