The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

[rebuilder 454]

• Does Jesus have 5 or 10 brides in your estimation?
• Do you have to be a female virgin to make the rapture?
• Do you have to have a literal lamp burning with oil at the actual moment Jesus comes to perform your Pretrib rapture?

* does 1/2 declared by Jesus viod postrib rapture doctrine,?


Yes it does.
As all of you have demonstrated.

One little simple declaration by Jesus blew your entire deal outta the water.
Lol

 

[WPM]

You have one verse that says angels gather saints in heaven. In mat 24..
That is your only supposed "smoking gun"
In the rapture, Jesus gathers from earth.
So your only verse is reframed by your one liner workbook.
You got one reframed. Changed verse ,for your entire false deal!!!
You really have no honest doctrine to defend.
You are just looking at " before the flood", then showing us how Jesus was without your understanding.

Can you actually address what I wrote instead of your usual avoidance or diversion? I know this may be difficult. But your constant ducking around the issues testifies to the erst of us of the error of your beliefs. I therefore repeat:

Where is your rapture in Daniel 9?

Hello! Is that a difficult question to answer? I put it to you: there is no rapture in the text. You force it in there. This is not a rapture passage. If i am wrong, show me where it is.

 

[WPM]

* does 1/2 declared by Jesus viod postrib rapture doctrine,?


Yes it does.
As all of you have demonstrated.

One little simple declaration by Jesus blew your entire deal outta the water.
Lol

More avoidance:

• Does Jesus have 5 or 10 brides in your estimation?
• Do you have to be a female virgin to make the rapture?
• Do you have to have a literal lamp burning with oil at the actual moment Jesus comes to perform your Pretrib rapture?

 

[WPM]

When half is not 50% and that component ,Declared By Jesus, must be omitted, and you guys manfully declare the word of God is slippery slope....
Well it is obvious some spirit is at work in you to change God's word.

Like I told all postribbers.
I bring the word.
The word and verses you have never seen, then watch you guys go against the bible.

Present the word.
Watch you go against it.
Repeat.

What about the 99 sheep that Jesus tells a parable about? It teaches 1 goes astray. Do you believe only 1 in 100 go astray?

 

[rebuilder 454]

I love questions like this which basically questions whether I believe scripture or not. Good grief, man. What is wrong with you? Of course I believe that. I just happen to have a different understanding of the identity of the two witnesses than you do. The two witnesses are described symbolically as "two olive trees" and that reminds me of Paul's description of a wild olive tree being grafted into the cultivated olive tree which represented Gentile believers being joined with Israelite believers as one body of Christ. So, I believe the two witnesses symbolically represent the church.


In terms of being bodily raised from the dead unto bodily immortality, Jesus Himself is the firstfruits (1 Cor 15:20).

If the 144,000 are meant to represent only firstfruit believers from Israel then they are already firstfruits, according to James:

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings......18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

Nowhere does it say that the 144,000 have already been raptured. That contradicts what Paul taught here:

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Scripture says Christ Himself is the firstfruits in the context of being the first to rise from the dead unto bodily immortality. Poster "The Light" contradicts scripture by saying the 144,000 are the firstfruits unto bodily immortality. And he contradicts Paul saying that next in order after Christ to be bodily resurrected unto immortality are "they that are Christ's at his coming" by saying the 144,000 (or is it the 24 elders?) were next in order to be resurrected unto bodily immortality. Paul clearly did not teach what you believe. At all.


Do you not believe that the souls of the firstfruits of the 12 twelves of Israel that James wrote to are in heaven now? What basis is there for thinking they have been changed and have immortal bodies yet when scripture says that the dead in Christ will all be resurrected and changed at the same time (1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17)?


What wrath exactly do you believe happens before the rapture from my perspective of when the rapture occurs? I certainly don't believe the rapture occurs before 1 Thess 5:2-3 occurs. I believe 1 Thess 5:2-3 happens right after 1 Thess 4:14-17 happens. And I don't believe Rev 14:17-20 occurs before Rev 14:14-16 occurs, either. So, what are you talking about exactly here?

The elephant in the room is that they are declared ethnic jews.
They are declared as 144k first fruit ethnic jews.

Wow what a massive level of misunderstanding.

Your teachers have omitted romans 11, and the wedding parable, which tell us the, future of the Jews.
Rev 14 is the gathering of the covenant jews.

Ahem....as a harvest...complete with first fruits and main harvest.

How in the world could anyone possibly mess that dynamic up??????
But you did!!!!

 

[rebuilder 454]

More avoidance:

• Does Jesus have 5 or 10 brides in your estimation?
• Do you have to be a female virgin to make the rapture?
• Do you have to have a literal lamp burning with oil at the actual moment Jesus comes to perform your Pretrib rapture?

Is the parable of the sower evangelism?
Or is it the planet with various plantings?
Is their rocks and dirt in the audience?
What plant are you?
A cactus???

Ridiculous and silly.
You have no answer, so you look ridiculous.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What about the 99 sheep that Jesus tells a parable about? It teaches 1 goes astray. Do you believe only 1 in 100 go astray?

You can make it say anything you want, if you torture it enough.
That's the thing with the bible,, it is a spirit book.
Your mental approach keeps you from understanding the parables

A parable is a story within a story. Jesus told parables so that only his people, his family, would get the meaning of them. Every single one of them has a meaning. They are not unpacked mentally. But if you must remove or omit components of the parable, then good luck with everyone of them, because luck at that point is your only friend.

 

[rebuilder 454]

More avoidance:

• Does Jesus have 5 or 10 brides in your estimation?
• Do you have to be a female virgin to make the rapture?
• Do you have to have a literal lamp burning with oil at the actual moment Jesus comes to perform your Pretrib rapture?

I got a better ridiculous postribber hamster wheel side show.

Is Jesus a literal Lamb, as John declared???
Or is he a literal Lion, as declared in Revelation???
Is He a literal morning star as declared in Isaiah????
What other silly leap can you come up with.

You now realize how complete I destroyed your deal.
You are demonstrating a frustration that the Bible itself is doing to you.
You rode that beast/doctrine that carried you into the desert and I slew it.
Now you are a foot.
Time to get with it.
Get that Bible out and enjoy the ride.
Be free and agree with Jesus and His Holy Book.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What about the 99 sheep that Jesus tells a parable about? It teaches 1 goes astray. Do you believe only 1 in 100 go astray?

That is a variable.
A child with a Bible can discern it.

 

[WPM]

You can make it say anything you want, if you torture it enough.
That's the thing with the bible,, it is a spirit book.
Your mental approach keeps you from understanding the parables

A parable is a story within a story. Jesus told parables so that only his people, his family, would get the meaning of them. Every single one of them has a meaning. They are not unpacked mentally. But if you must remove or omit components of the parable, then good luck with everyone of them, because luck at that point is your only friend.

All you have is avoidance and insults.

 

[WPM]

That is a variable.
A child with a Bible can discern it.

More avoidance and insults.

 

[WPM]

I got a better ridiculous postribber hamster wheel side show.

Is Jesus a literal Lamb, as John declared???
Or is he a literal Lion, as declared in Revelation???
Is He a literal morning star as declared in Isaiah????
What other silly leap can you come up with.

You now realize how complete I destroyed your deal.
You are demonstrating a frustration that the Bible itself is doing to you.
You rode that beast/doctrine that carried you into the desert and I slew it.
Now you are a foot.
Time to get with it.
Get that Bible out and enjoy the ride.
Be free and agree with Jesus and His Holy Book.

The only thing you have destroyed is your own credibility. You cannot address any issue. When you are cornered all you have is avoidance and insults.

 

[rebuilder 454]

And where did I say otherwise? Do you miss that on the SAME DAY they were gathered, God's wrath came down?


Not exactly half. You're talking about parables here. If it talks about 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish virgins or one taken and one left, it's not meant to be taken literally as if Jesus was saying one thing would happen to literally half of the people and another thing would happen to literally half of the rest.


Which wrath are you talking about exactly? Do you understand that wrath will come down on the day Jesus returns (1 Thess 4:14-5:9, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, etc.)? That is what I'm talking about.


No, I don't. I've never indicated such a ridiculous thing. Stop talking to your straw man and talk to me. You are making yourself look like you have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever.

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"No, I don't. I've never indicated such a ridiculous thing. Stop talking to your straw man and talk to me. You are making yourself look like you have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever."

You said earlier those taken are killed
So you are claiming half the world is righteous and half unsaved.
Which adds to a convaluded interpretation.
In Noah the entire planet, ever human outside the ark are killed

None of you get that verse.
None of you.
All of you think the world is made up of 50-50 saved vs unsaved.
All of you fall for that.
Then when pressed you all say " oh no, that is notvtrue, few are saved and most go to hell"

The bible= before the flood half taken half left, watch and bevready.

Postrib rapturists= wrath comes,and half the world is taken someplace and are killed.

Impossible.

Are you all that dilluded???
Rev19 and mat 24 Have Jesus returning AFTER THE WRATH.
HELLO????
That is AFTER the flood
You guys have Jesus returning before the flood/ wrath (when the "one taken" are gathered) and claiming PREFLOOD half the world's population is killed, and half are standing on the planet outside the ark, and somehow don't drown.

Huh??????

 

[rebuilder 454]

The only thing you have destroyed is your own credibility. You cannot address any issue. When you are cornered all you have is avoidance and insults.

You made several posts claiming the metaphors are literal.
Now what? The aren't?
I went down your invented rabbit trail

You got schooled as usual.

 

[rebuilder 454]

They constantly demand that they need to see the pre rapture in scripture when the Lord says He is coming in an hour they think not.

Then they can't even show us their post wrath rapture in scripture. Its in there somewhere at the 7th trump they claim. But it's not written in scripture.

Notice they will not answer " like manner" of Acts 1.
All the pretrib rapture verses are simple and plain

They are literally in fits right now.
I love their flailing at the "half taken".
It is comical how the Bible becomes such an enemy.

 

[rebuilder 454]

So, you will show me a rapture passage with a trib following in 3 days?

What about the 7 or so verses none of you can successfully emasculate?

...as all postribbers have demonstrated?

A doctrine that has never declared they are watching and being ready for Jesus as Jesus commanded.
But it gets worse.
Your doctrine has you belittling those that do.

 

[WPM]

You made several posts claiming the metaphors are literal.
Now what? The aren't?
I went down your invented rabbit trail

You got schooled as usual.

I am exposing your literal 50/50 claims. Hello!

 

[WPM]

Notice they will not answer " like manner" of Acts 1.
All the pretrib rapture verses are simple and plain

They are literally in fits right now.
I love their flailing at the "half taken".
It is comical how the Bible becomes such an enemy.

LOL. I have addressed this 3 times and it has been avoided 3 times. That is because it refutes your error. You know it. That is why you keep avoiding and lying. That is all you have, along with your constant insults.

 

[WPM]

Notice they will not answer " like manner" of Acts 1.
All the pretrib rapture verses are simple and plain

They are literally in fits right now.
I love their flailing at the "half taken".
It is comical how the Bible becomes such an enemy.

The narrative says, “while they (the disciples) beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

We therefore see, in this much-misinterpreted passage, that heaven and not earth, is the focus of the disciples’ attention; heaven being mentioned here four times, earth, Jerusalem and/or the Mount of Olives not once. This narrative clearly shows how the disciples were looking up towards heaven not down towards earth. That is why the angels asked the disciples, “why stand ye gazing up into heaven?” Moreover, the angels’ instruction, which followed their enquiry concerning this significant incident, is totally concentrated upon the manner that Christ went up into heaven. The angels taught: “this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

How did He go?

Literally, physically, visibly.

That is how He is going to return!

Revelation 1:7. Speaking of this climactic last day, John says, “Behold, he (Christ) cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him (the Jews): and all kindreds of the earth (the Gentile nations) shall wail because of him”

The second coming of Christ is not a secret event. Here we see the most public event of all time – the literal, visible, physical return of the Lord Jesus Christ. This passage unmistakably shows that the glorious Second Advent will be the most amazing public event ever. To such an extent that “every eye shall see him.” The swiftness of Christ’s coming and the speed of the rescue of the saints precludes any possibility of the wicked repenting.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The elephant in the room is that they are declared ethnic jews.
They are declared as 144k first fruit ethnic jews.

Wow what a massive level of misunderstanding.

I already addressed this in my post. Are you unable to read?

Your teachers have omitted romans 11, and the wedding parable, which tell us the, future of the Jews.
Rev 14 is the gathering of the covenant jews.

No, it is not. Nowhere does Rev 14 say that it's only referring to a rapture "of the covenant Jews". That's nonsense and not taught anywhere in scripture. Why would you interpret Revelation 14 in such a way that doesn't line up with the rest of scripture? That is a clear representation of the rapture of the church that occurs AFTER the tribulation of those days (1 Thess 4:14-17, Matthew 24:29-31).

Ahem....as a harvest...complete with first fruits and main harvest.

How in the world could anyone possibly mess that dynamic up??????
But you did!!!!

You mess up all of scripture with your nonsense. You were shown that those left behind are all killed (Luke 17:26-37) and you just ignore that because you care more about believing what you want to believe than about what scripture teaches.