Is anyone else a Seer?

[Peterlag]

You are talking past me. This does not have to do with my view.

Much love!

You wrote I was wrong when I said in the context of good and evil that the churches don't teach we are in a spiritual battle. I'm not wrong. The context that you pulled my statement from is within a paragraph talking about God being in control of everything... both good and evil.

 

[Peterlag]

I was thinking of this one,

Isaiah 46:10 KJV
10) Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

I'm thinking you are making a distinction between God's self-confidence in His ability to cause things to happen, and His ability to see into times which are future to us.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you are thinking that God knows that His work will prevail, and therefore has the confidence to declare the things that will be, knowing He will bring them about, though He cannot see it now.

Isaiah 44:6-8 KJV
6) Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7) And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8) Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

God gives His unique ability to accurately foretell the future as something that sets Him apart from all so called other gods.

Deuteronomy 4:26-31 KJV
26) I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27) And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
28) And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29) But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30) When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31) (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Was it God's plan that He would cause Israel to sin against Him, and therefore declared through His servant Moses that it would come to pass, knowing He would cause it to be?

God does not tempt others to sin. But He knew they would.

Psalms 147:5 KJV
Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.

It sounds as though you believe God's understanding is limited to what He can see today. I don't agree.

Much love!

Yes you got this right... I'm thinking you are making a distinction between God's self-confidence in His ability to cause things to happen, and His ability to see into times which are future to us.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you are thinking that God knows that His work will prevail, and therefore has the confidence to declare the things that will be, knowing He will bring them about, though He cannot see it now.

 

[marks]

Yes you got this right... I'm thinking you are making a distinction between God's self-confidence in His ability to cause things to happen, and His ability to see into times which are future to us.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you are thinking that God knows that His work will prevail, and therefore has the confidence to declare the things that will be, knowing He will bring them about, though He cannot see it now.

I appreciate your clarity, though I fully disagree, as I don't see that God is subject to His own creation, but that He remains outside of it. Time is a part of that creation.

And I appreciate your polite conversation!

Much love!

 

[Peterlag]

You disagree? It is not an argument! I'm not making an argument. I'm sharing what I have experienced and KNOW first hand.

I don't know why you are devoted to actively opposing people sharing their miraculous experiences on account of an obvious false belief. It's very revealing about you.

Well, I see it this way. This is a Christian forum where we get to comment on what we and others post. You comment on my comments and I respond. And sometimes I comment on your stuff. I think you mostly comment on what I write and when I respond you get mad. Do I have this figured out correctly?

 

[Peterlag]

The future does exist in God's Foreknowledge of everything that ever exists, whether material or abstract. The following four-dimensional framework serves to illustrate mutuality* in the Divine Dynamic.

Dimension 1. Foreknowledge - God always knows everything, if He doesn't then He isn't God.

Dimension 2. Predestination - God predestines elements of existence, such as the Laws of Nature, the criteria for salvation, and the outcome of Judgment Day.

Dimension 3. Freewill - God calls everyone to repentance and actively works on our freewill to lead us to repentance from dead works and to faith towards Him.

Dimension 4. Divine Intervention - God knows those who are His and does whatever He wills to do according to His wisdom, mercy, and grace.


* Mutuality refers to the quality or state of being mutual. Here are a couple of ways it can be understood:

1. Reciprocity and Intimacy: Mutuality involves a sharing of sentiments or feelings between two or more parties. It’s about recognizing each other beyond mere utility, emphasizing a sense of connection and understanding. For instance, Martin Luther King Jr. famously said, “We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny.”
2. Legal Context: In legal terms, mutuality can refer to the quality of a contract where both parties are bound by obligations. It ensures fairness and balance in agreements.

There are many good Christians who believe God is Almighty in such a way that He lives in a hyper-dimensional-universe and moves through them. Folks believe it's been proven mathematically that God can exist in a 6 dimensional-hyper-space that would allow Him to walk through walls and any other solid object in our 3-dimensional world. They also talk about the mathematics of 10/11 dimensions that implies how God can be everywhere at once and all powerful and all knowing.

Now that hyper-dimensional-universe may be true. But what seems pretty darn clear to me is that such thinking puts God outside of my reach. Knowing God probably interacts with me within the same boundaries He set up for me to function in has brought my relationship with Him closer. I would also like to say if the cosmos is not something of a free democracy because it's under the ultimate rulership of God, then it has to be something of a tyrannical monarchy. Either some power is shared or it's not. And if it's not, then all the blame for all the evil in the cosmos must ultimately rest on the lap of the monarch whose will is never stopped from happening.

 

[Peterlag]

That is the folly of Scripture plus rationality - it misses the mark.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one.

It does not miss any mark. If people believe they can see into the future they often pray for such ability and they may think it's God working with them, but often it ends up being the wrong god. Here's an example from the book of Acts...

Most of us have heard the statement of a damsel in distress. However, we do not hear very often what we have here in the book of Acts, known as a “damsel possessed.” The lady had a devil spirit playing with her brain cells in the field of divination. The woman had a job working for people who were running a business with this lady, and she was bringing in the bucks “brought her masters much gain.” The spirit of divination is the one who tries to tell us the future. It's the practice of foreseeing or foretelling future events. The word “soothsaying” means basically the same in that it deals with prediction or foretelling. This is nothing new. We have many of them today with their own one-nine-hundred numbers and their own television shows. They are looking to give information about our love life, the stock market, and who is going to win the next ball game.

Acts 16:17
The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

She or should I say it was being a pain in the neck to Paul by following him around and saying something like—hey everyone will you please look at the way these jerks dress, who tell us they are the servants of the most high God. It's okay to laugh at these bums because they will still let you join their little stupid religion.

Acts 16:18-19
And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,

Paul said to the spirit inside of the woman that it had to come out by the authority that is in Jesus Christ, and he, the spirit, came out of the woman’s body the same hour and that means immediately. Now this is going to cause a big problem down at the one-nine-hundred center because the woman has lost her connection and will not be able to tell who might win the next horse race. That made those bookies so mad that they agreed together to capture Paul and company to bring them to the police to report that they were interfering with their place of business.

 

[Peterlag]

I appreciate your clarity, though I fully disagree, as I don't see that God is subject to His own creation, but that He remains outside of it. Time is a part of that creation.

And I appreciate your polite conversation!

Much love!

We agree again. God is outside of His creation and probably can see all of time at once. But probably not the time that has not happened yet.

 

[marks]

We agree again. God is outside of His creation and probably can see all of time at once. But probably not the time that has not happened yet.

That is putting God as subject to the constraints of the space/time that He created. "Not happened yet" is an anthopomorphism.

Jeremiah 1:5 KJV
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Flowery speech? Or exactly true?

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

Well, I see it this way. ...Do I have this figured out correctly?

No. You don't have it figured out correctly. Me and others have received prophecy from God in the 21st century. PERIOD.

There really isn't anything to figure out. You either accept the signs and wonders of the end times or you don't.

 

[Hillsage]

What I'm getting from God is that this is not seeing the physical, but the spiritual. That is why it has to do with sermons, or the reading of Scripture.

I'm not saying what you are experiencing is or isn't spiritual. And neither am I saying it is or isn't from God, because I honestly don't know. But the 'paranormal' stuff I did hear from whatever sources they were (I've forgotten) seemed to lean to the occult. Especially so if you were talking about Fundamental or Cessasionist type brethren. Which you've already experienced a dose of that here.

But I did wonder about your experience being of God simply because I don't believe the devil invents anything new as much as he imitates the truth which ends up being to his glory. Unless I'm wrong you came here to seek some validation as to this being from God, since it was new to you.

Those who would disagree with you, because there's 'nothing written in the bible' about it....need to pull the plug on SUNDAY SCHOOL.

 

[Peterlag]

No. You don't have it figured out correctly. Me and others have received prophecy from God in the 21st century. PERIOD.

There really isn't anything to figure out. You either accept the signs and wonders of the end times or you don't.

Yep I was right... I did figure it out correctly. It's on page 88. I posted something to someone else and you commented on my post. I did not comment on your post on this thread. You commented on mine. So since post 88 I have been responding to you.

 

[Peterlag]

That is putting God as subject to the constraints of the space/time that He created. "Not happened yet" is an anthopomorphism.

Jeremiah 1:5 KJV
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Flowery speech? Or exactly true?

Much love!

I could say the same if I were a king. I could have told my son that I knew what he would be like before he was born and I declared him pure and ordained him to be a king after me. Similar conversation was made when God chose us in Christ beforehand, and has said certain names have been written in a book from the foundation of the world. God did not see us or ordain us. It's the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God.

 

[Carl Emerson]

God is outside of His creation and probably can see all of time at once. But probably not the time that has not happened yet.

Consider this passage in Daniel 7...

13 “I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a son of man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 And to Him was given dominion,
Honor, and a kingdom,
So that all the peoples, nations, and populations of all languages
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

Written many years before the ascension.

God is not bound by time and sees in real time any moment in history, whether past, present or future.

Your thesis is heavy on logic, but lacks inspiration.

 

[One 2 question]

So

I do wonder why every Christian book that I mention that helps Christians better understand the Scriptures is always identified as being against the Bible.

I was just thinking today that if one doesn't quote the bible then what they are saying is not legitimate.

Then if someone does quote a bible verse but doesn't agree with or quote the interpretation of a well know bible teacher or expositor then it isn't accepted or validated as truth either.

You get that even in this forum. I know this probably comes as a shock to most of you

 

[One 2 question]

God knew what was coming. If he tells that to me. I don't get how that puts me into seeing the future. I would just be telling others what God told me.

So are you saying that God never
1. takes anyone into the future
2. then when they return back in the present they recall what they saw up ahead (to others)?

Instead God
1. goes into the future
2. then recalls what He has seen (to certain humans)
3. then these humans share this with others?

 

[Stumpmaster]

I could say the same if I were a king. I could have told my son that I knew what he would be like before he was born and I declared him pure and ordained him to be a king after me. Similar conversation was made when God chose us in Christ beforehand, and has said certain names have been written in a book from the foundation of the world. God did not see us or ordain us. It's the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God.

Again, Scripture teaches the opposite:

Jer 1:4-5 Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, (5) “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Psa 139:15-16 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. (16) Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

 

[Peterlag]

Again, Scripture teaches the opposite:

Jer 1:4-5 Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, (5) “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Psa 139:15-16 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. (16) Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

The Scriptures do not say the opposite. It's just how you read them. God could say I knew you before you were born because He knows how all of us will be. He knows everything about the ones who will be born next year because He's been doing this with us for a long time. He knows He's going to have men who will really seek Him and He knows those He will ordain. He knows this cause He's smart and experienced. Not because He sees it before it happens.

 

[Peterlag]

So are you saying that God never
1. takes anyone into the future
2. then when they return back in the present they recall what they saw up ahead (to others)?

Instead God
1. goes into the future
2. then recalls what He has seen (to certain humans)
3. then these humans share this with others?

Nobody goes into the future because the future only exist in the minds of the Catholics who created it, and that was first done by Augustine who came up with the idea in the 4th century that God is in control of everything, and therefore sees into the future and is now just playing the tapes for us based on what has already happened.

 

[Peterlag]

So

I was just thinking today that if one doesn't quote the bible then what they are saying is not legitimate.

Then if someone does quote a bible verse but doesn't agree with or quote the interpretation of a well know bible teacher or expositor then it isn't accepted or validated as truth either.

You get that even in this forum. I know this probably comes as a shock to most of you.

You got that right.

 

[Peterlag]

Consider this passage in Daniel 7...

13 “I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a son of man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 And to Him was given dominion,
Honor, and a kingdom,
So that all the peoples, nations, and populations of all languages
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

Written many years before the ascension.

God is not bound by time and sees in real time any moment in history, whether past, present or future.

Your thesis is heavy on logic, but lacks inspiration.

Revelation from God comes in thoughts and images. To see an image in your mind is easy for humans. Think about your car that's parked outside and now look at it in your mind. If God showed you that same car image with a flat tire before you went to bed. And you saw that image and then found in the morning that you had a flat tire. Then it was God showing you something the night before. It was not you seeing into the future the night before.