Spiritual Warfare

[VictoryinJesus]

I think so. A weak and feeble person in the flesh can be a spiritual giant. We can't judge spiritual things by appearances.

I know that "being yet carnal" is yet a state of immaturity. That is for real followers of Christ. We sometimes have to learn to crawl before we learn to walk.

But a person will remain forever carnal if they resist the truth. And such will be cast away. People who resist the truth are not just immature...they are reprobate. Reprobate silver God calls them...and He rejects them.

My goal in the videos and the threads is to bring light into what causes a good eternal end for people. :)

The higher walk will be attacked...because it brings light into the darkness that so many have embraced...as being light...but is not so.

Don't let your light be darkness. Come to the light and be exposed to the truth, and be transformed.

Matt. 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

I didn’t tell you why it means so much to me. It shouldn’t be only about coming on here to expose “false doctrines”. But what you shared in the video helped me …where even if I’m confused I do think I see something in that exchange where Christ speaks in Paul to the Corinthians. I see areas in my life …where there is opportunity of experience …that causes Paul’s words (Christ speaking) towards them who as you said turn around and tell Paul “you are reprobate” …breaking Paul’s heart. What I glean from the exchange is enduring hardness as a good soldier of Christ. And to watch and look for His (Christ’s) appearance. To love HIS appearing. To me that is Paul’s deliverance out from evil…it’s Paul (Christ speaks in him) besieging them to do no evil and Christ steadfast Faith and Hope speaking in Paul where Light enters (enduring hardness)piercing even into the darkness. So that the blind see. And those captives go free. I do think there is Power there. And it won’t be by the power of man but by the Power of God. Who raises the dead. Who gives sight to the blind. Who sets the captives free.
…I was listening to a pastor the other day. A woman pastor most despise. I was in the car and thought …why not and put on one of her sermons. I mean…hers can’t be any more confusing than the rest of the sermons out there. So I thought I’d give her a chance. She did say one thing that stuck out about “waiting on the Lord.” how that word “waiting” is “expecting” …that is what I hear in Paul’s exchange in that passage …He is “waiting” “expecting” Christ to be made manifest in them. Which is deliverance of Paul from evil when a brother turns to Christ no longer calling and persecution of the body as reprobate. Point is…this topic is I’m being persuaded Christ can do it. Now. In this life. Your topic was helpful because it seemed to align with Faith is able “to raise the dead”. To me it’s Christ speaking in Paul that raises the dead (them yet blind and accusing): when they do what is right, when they see those in Christ do not fail. As Paul said “I trust you will know”. How much more can they see this …except when the blindness is removed and they see they persecuted their brother falsely. Same as Saul persecuted Stephen falsely…they are where Saul was before the encounter on the road to Damascus….”Saul, why do you persecute Me?” If there is any better to show grace and mercy through …it’s him who says over and over “I was a waster” “persecuting the body of Christ” …see they speak of “lifted up from dead”… to me Christ in Paul is walking and speaking in a man though dead, He lives!

 

[Episkopos]

I didn’t tell you why it means so much to me. It shouldn’t be only about coming on here to expose “false doctrines”. But what you shared in the video helped me …where even if I’m confused I do think I see something in that exchange where Christ speaks in Paul to the Corinthians. I see areas in my life …where there is opportunity of experience …that causes Paul’s words (Christ speaking) towards them who as you said turn around and tell Paul “you are reprobate” …breaking Paul’s heart. What I glean from the exchange is enduring hardness as a good soldier of Christ. And to watch and look for His (Christ’s) appearance. To love HIS appearing. To me that is Paul’s deliverance out from evil…it’s Paul (Christ speaks in him) besieging them to do no evil and Christ steadfast Faith and Hope speaking in Paul where Light enters (enduring hardness)piercing even into the darkness. So that the blind see. And those captives go free. I do think there is power there …I was listening to a pastor the other day. A woman pastor most despise. I was in the car and thought …why not and put on one of her sermons. I mean…hers can’t be any more confusing than the rest of the sermons out there. So I thought I’d give her a chance. She did say one thing that stuck out about “waiting on the Lord.” how that word “waiting” is “expecting” …that is what I hear in Paul’s exchange in that passage …He is “waiting” “expecting” Christ to be made manifest in them. Which is deliverance of Paul from evil when a brother turns to Christ no longer calling and persecution of the body as reprobate.

They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength...even mounting up into the higher walk...as eagles. ;)

Point is…this topic is I’m being persuaded Christ can do it. Now. In this life.

Amen...like Joshua and Caleb. Faith in God to do the seemingly impossible. :)

Your topic was helpful because it seemed to align with Faith is able “to raise the dead”. To me it’s Christ speaking in Paul that raises the dead (them yet blind and accusing): when they do what is right, when they see those in Christ do not fail. As Paul said “I trust you will know”. How much more can they see this …except when the blindness is removed and they see they persecuted their brother falsely. Same as Saul persecuted Stephen falsely…they are where Saul was before the encounter on the road to Damascus….”why Saul, do you persecute Me?”

Amen. Zeal for God does not always equal being on God's side. A big lesson in spiritual warfare is the possibility of "friendly fire."

 

[amigo de christo]

Currently, the "body of Christ" is in the "time of the Gentiles".... and that is not the Trib-GrtTrib or the Millennial Reign of Christ.

So, "in the time of the Gentiles", Paul delivers what He calls "MY Gospel", = 3x in the NT.
And Jesus was not sharing that with the Jews, as there was no "My Gospel" given to Paul by Christ, at that time, as there was no Paul The Apostle yet called to deliver HIS Gospel.... when Jesus was talking to the JEWS, about the "kingdom".

So, when Paul says that if you preach or teach ""any other Gospel then His"", you have a "cursed" issue.... and He's talking about "MY Gospel", that is Paul's unique Gospel., that is specifically for the "TIME of the GENTILES"/

And recently, when you denied that God gives righteousness, you denied Paul's gospel, and that puts you here... = : Galatians 1:8

Now, i know you will deny what you said, as that is your behavior on this Forum once your false theology is REVEALED again and again... but i have your posts, and if you do deny it, i'll quote you until you stop denying what you posted.

You decide that, @Episkopos .

Now, in the TRIB, God resumes dealing specifically with the JEW, ... exactly as God was doing before the Cross was raised, which began the "TIME of the GENTILES"....

So, at this time, .. the body of Christ is mostly GENTILES, because God is dealing with humanity in the "time of the Gentiles".. and Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles" so, Paul's Gospel, currently is THE Gospel.

And its this..

"The Gospel of the GRACE of God"..

And that is... ."The Preaching of THE CROSS.....is THE POWER OF GOD.... unto Salvation".....

That is not the "preaching of the kingdom".. so, be sure you read carefully, so that you can finally understand the Gospel, that Paul said is "my Gospels" 3x.

And no worries, i know you will pretend that you knew it, and only teach that, but, as i told you, ive deal with you for while now, and you teach anything except Paul's Gospel. @Episkopos.

-see you there

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Paul said...

For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

New Living Translation
For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified.

English Standard Version
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Berean Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.

King James Bible
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

New King James Version
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

New American Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1995
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1977
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Legacy Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Amplified Bible
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].

Christian Standard Bible
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For I didn’t think it was a good idea to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

American Standard Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Neither did I judge myself as knowing anything among you, except Yeshua The Messiah, even him as he was crucified.

Contemporary English Version
In fact, while I was with you, I made up my mind to speak only about Jesus Christ, who had been nailed to a cross.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

English Revised Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
While I was with you, I decided to deal with only one subject-Jesus Christ, who was crucified.

Good News Translation
For while I was with you, I made up my mind to forget everything except Jesus Christ and especially his death on the cross.

International Standard Version
For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified.

Epi gonna rip you up my friend .

 

[Lizbeth]

Your Video.. what you teach, will ruin a weak believers spiritual warfare, because you would rob them of correct understanding of Salvation.

What you've proven, is that you have no understanding of Paul's Gospel, or why a sinner has to not just be forgiven, but has to become , as Paul teaches...

= "The Righteousness of GOD........in Christ'""

You've denied that this SALVATION that is God given RIGHTEOUSNESS< even exists, and what is worse? ?

Is, That you dont understand God's Salvation, and you would try to "keep it out of the church".and off this Forum..... which explains why all your Videos, and nearly all your Posts, and basically all Your Treads, are designed to replace, Paul's Gospel, with yours...

You have a severe " core theological" problem regarding The True Gospel... and Why Salvation exist as the offer of both forgiveness for sin, and "THE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.... , and all ive done is allow you to post your utter confusion, so that i could reveal your false thelogy to anyone here who cares about The Truth.

See, your Theology, will confuse a weak believer, and that will destroy their Spiritual Warfare.

That's what's happening on all your Threads, that im a part of, and it will continue as long as you keep doing your specific work/ministry that im highlighting... (and not just me)..... @Episkopos

Amen. Spiritual warfare in a nutshell: putting on the WHOLE armour of God - helmet of SALVATION, belt of TRUTH, shod with the GOSPEL, having the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, breastplate of RIGHTEOUSNESS, shield of FAITH. Ironic isn't it...........?

I just believe what God taught me recently. Mixture is not of HIM, it's of another spirit. If we have to wear ourselves out trying to sort out the chaff from the wheat.....then it's mixture....and confusion is the nature of mixture isn't it. Much is written about not mixing things in scripture.....dont' breed two different animals together, don't mix two kinds of threads in fabrics, etc. And we are to be vessels WITHOUT MIXTURE. (As for me I'm back to being taught by the Lord, full circle.....especially on such a subject as holiness.)

 

[Episkopos]

Amen. Spiritual warfare in a nutshell: putting on the WHOLE armour of God - helmet of SALVATION, belt of TRUTH, shod with the GOSPEL, having the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, breastplate of RIGHTEOUSNESS, shield of FAITH. Ironic isn't it...........?

We can "put on" armour by imagination...as in..you're putting me on! ;) We can spiritualize a text without ANY reality being present. Putting on spiritual armour is synonymous with putting on Christ...a covering of righteousness in the light of God's love, and power. AKA The armour of light!

I just believe what God taught me recently. Mixture is not of HIM, it's of another spirit. If we have to wear ourselves out trying to sort out the chaff from the wheat.....then it's mixture....and confusion is the nature of mixture isn't it. Much is written about not mixing things in scripture.....dont' breed two different animals together, don't mix two kinds of threads in fabrics, etc. And we are to be vessels WITHOUT MIXTURE.

Don't mix truth with lies. A little leaven leavens the whole batch. Lies destroy the truth that you possess. And we can justify ourselves for being "mostly" right. But that's the same as being "nearly" dead.

 

[Behold]

Amen. Spiritual warfare in a nutshell: putting on the WHOLE armour of God - helmet of SALVATION, belt of TRUTH, shod with the GOSPEL, having the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, breastplate of RIGHTEOUSNESS, shield of FAITH. Ironic isn't it...........?

I just believe what God taught me recently. Mixture is not of HIM, it's of another spirit. If we have to wear ourselves out trying to sort out the chaff from the wheat.....then it's mixture....and confusion is the nature of mixture isn't it. Much is written about not mixing things in scripture.....dont' breed two different animals together, don't mix two kinds of threads in fabrics, etc. And we are to be vessels WITHOUT MIXTURE.

Paul has an interesting testimony that He gives.., in Phil 3.

Im going to paraphrase it.

He says......... that he was blameless in the law, and a perfect religious.

He had it all, regarding being hyper religious to the extreme degree.
He was from the Tribe of Benjamin, He was a "top top tier" Pharisee, a Leader of Leaders..., and he was "blameless in the law".

He is explaining....>>"if being holy and religious is how God accepts us, then IM THE MAN".

Then He says.......All this that i am, that i earned..... that i have produced, that i have become, including being BLAMELESS in the (Moses) LAW... is DUNG"

That is how he describes what it means to be PERFECT as a "religious", and yet, as compared to what i'll show you..... that he next explains......is "DUNG".


He says that all he wants to do and know, is Christ's Righteousness.. to be a part of CHRIST's righteousness, that is not of works, or of self effort, or trying to do righteousness, or keep law, or any of this SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, striving for perfection, that Episkopos serves and tries to sell, as confused concepts..that try to "sound spiritual".

Paul understood that to be found IN GOD< is what Jesus came here to OFFER< and he saw that He had for most of His life tried to DO that.. and discovered that "in CHRIST" is not about his doing, its about being "made righteous" and empowered ultimately by GOD's GRACE.

And then Paul writes 12.9 more Epistles, and never ever tries to teach any type of self effort to be accepted by God.
He only teaches, that God has given the born again = God's own Righteousness, from the day you are born again.
And from that Eternal Status..... as '"made Righteous"... Paul's only FAITH was/is ... "i can do all things Through Christ", and never by self effort..never by trying to "do righteousness". never by trying to be like Christ, as an ACT, or as a WILLPOWER.

Paul said "i die daily"... to my trying to BE Holy, and trying to BE Spiritual, and trying to BE accepted by God.. and committed himself to only being IN CHRIST, and empowered by CHRIST.
And then he told us to do the SAME... "be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ"...

Paul said.. "I die DAILY"< and He means...>>"I die to trying to be anything but FOUND IN HIM, IN CHRIST< In HIS power, and righteousness and LIGHT.

See, in these end times you have the spiritual pretenders, the heretics, who are ...its "all about me.. its all about me doing it, me becoming it, me getting ME there, me, me me"..

But Christianity is about who God has caused you to BECOME... as a BORN AGAIN... "new Creation" "In Christ".. and its the learning of this "knowledge of God"..... = what it means to exist THERE. .as GOD sees us... .is how we "work out our Salvation".
And that is not to try to keep from losing it... Its to understand who we have become IN IT.... as that is where Power and LIGHT as the FULL understanding of God's Grace becomes our empowered Discipleship.

The Power to walk a perfected discipleship, is not found in trying to do it......its found in understanding who we have become, as a 'new Creation" 'In Christ"......and the more we get this Revelation, the more we are freed from "self", and ushered into more of God's power to become... a perfected walk of faith.. a perfected disciple of Christ.

 

[Episkopos]

Epi gonna rip you up my friend .

I rip up false doctrines...to save the person. I don't rip up people.

 

[amigo de christo]

I rip up false doctrines...to save the person. I don't rip up people.

you omit true doctrine . you pick and choose parts to fit into an ideal called inclusivity
a social gospel , a pick up your own cross etc .
YOU dont rip up false doctrines , though sometimes you have corrected some false doctrines .
You tear up the HEART OF THE GOSPEL epi . that is about the worst thing a person can do .
TIME you start reminding all about the DIRE NEED TO First BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
or its all in vain . EVEN if you do know aspects about the cross , or etc .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen again.....the core messages needs to be Jesus Christ and the gospel, always. I was enlightened by something that our brother Johann said along those lines recently.....the problem with "denominations" is that they each have taken one aspect of the truth and made that the centre of what they are doing instead of it being just one part of the gospel as a whole. The gospel of Christ needs to be at the centre and core and pinnacle and everything else needs to revolve around that, otherwise the "everything else" will be out of kilter, out of their proper order/orbit. The mistake of so many movements and denominations...including Charismatic movement who make "signs and miracles" the centre and core of what they are doing instead of the gospel.

Pardon me if my rambling here but I've been mulling over the irony of being accused of religious certainty when really the way that one is handling spiritual things is making it a religious certainty - giving rise to self imposed religious expectations and even religious ambition if one isn't careful. This is of the carnal mind compartmentalizing things....it's like handling the ark of God with hands of flesh as if He needs our help. Think I'm guilty of it as well at times. We are God's workmanship and I think our job is to humbly follow as HE leads, not to form a kind of self-imposed spiritually ambitious goal line. He will lead each soul to where He wills and calls us, and that way He will get the glory. He is the one who even chastises us as sons....that we may partake of His holiness. Wherever we happen to be along the way we are to seek God and follow Him......it's very individual for each soul, not a one-size fits all formula, so HE is the one we are always to be seeking, the Author and Finisher of our faith. I just see a difference between the way things are said and taught in scripture and the way they are often being presented by others....not in the same vein. No such thing as a denomination called the Higher Walk in scripture. And doesn't seem good at all to be treating the gospel message as if it's hardly worthy of anyone's notice, something only for babies and the spiritually inferior, and something to be kicked aside and divorced from what lies head, instead of it being the SOURCE and center of any further growth and holiness, giving Christ the glory. Jesus even admonished His disciples who were casting out demons and healing the sick and seeing souls saved to rejoice rather that their souls were written in heaven.

Charastmetic movement . WHY ya think so many love it . Its makes them into the great power of GOD
its all about the signs and powers .
You know what the real deep truth about this really is . what is in the heart of every bad teacher
THEY will NEVER DO ONE THING .
at most they will only believe some things and twist others .
WHAT IS THIS i speak of .
REMEMEMBER what JESUS said , about making desciples
about going into all the world and baptizing them
and Teaching them to observe ALLLLLL things i have taught you .
THEY DONT DO THAT . at most they teach SOME THINGS and omit and disreguard OTHERS .
ITS always a self centered RELIGOION TOO . the heart of it is about SELF , gloryifying self , NOT GOD .

 

[Behold]

I rip up false doctrines...to save the person. I don't rip up people.

Really?
You posted that you are here to "save the person"? and "rip up false doctrine'??

Then "rip these up".. as they are all "false doctrine".... and "save yourself""", and then you might be able to help someone .
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Let me post a few of your theological deceptions.. @Episkopos

@Episkopos said

"The Cross is not about Forgiveness".

yet Jesus died for the sin of the world, so that anyone can be forgiven their sin.

Episkopos said:
"""To impute God's righteousness to a created being is actually idolatry."""

Yet, when a person is "Justified by Faith".. .its only because they are "made Righteous", by the imputed righteousness of Christ

Episkopos said:
false again. It was evil men that made Jesus to be sin.

Yet the NT teaches that..

"God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"..

Episkopos said:
""""God takes a righteous person and MAKES him/her righteous.""""

Yet the Bible teaches that "ALL have sinned and there is NONE Righteous, no not one"..

"Jesus came into the world to save sinners", and @Episkopos teaches that He came into the world to make the Righteous more righteous.

@Episkopos posted.

"""""nobody ever receive God's righteousness"..""""


Yet God gives the believer "the Gift of Righteousness".... and Paul also teaches that the born again have been "MADE Righteous".

 

[Lizbeth]

I think that all of you who are stuck on believing in Jesus or not...and how important it is..how it is a "dire need" as I hear those who need Christ right now...these should get on with it...and do it! Believe! If you have a theory on how to become a believer, then I suggest you follow through. If you have believed, then go to a thread that nurtures novice believers.

This thread is NOT about how to become a believer or how to molly coddle those who refuse to get out of the baby stage of naming and claiming. Oh my is right!

This thread is too heavy for baby believers. I suggest that novices go to happy positive threads. :)
I hope you and your friends here can find solace in your beliefs. I hope those beliefs lead to faith IN Christ.

It's not hard to see why your way would appeal to the pride in people.....your elitism is shocking. Aside from false doctrine on other subjects, I'm seeing now that even the way you are going about the subject of holiness is off. Not surprising since the foundation is wrong.

Think you missed the point of what I said though. The same gospel of repent and believe in Christ to be saved...is to the Jew first then TO THE HEATHEN. The heathen who you say can be saved by their own righteousness. Nobody is going to be saved by their own righteousness but only through the gospel.

 

[Lizbeth]

You tear up the HEART OF THE GOSPEL epi . that is about the worst thing a person can do .

Amen. And it's so grieving.

 

[Episkopos]

you omit true doctrine .

I don't think you are qualified to discern true doctrine. If you can read my posts and understand them...then you are reading sound doctrine. And because it is sound it might be too deep for spiritual novices. The proof is to seek God about it. I've had people who disagreed with me then prayed...in honesty, and God showed them that what I was saying is true. But any old casual surmising using a human understanding isn't going to get you there.

you pick and choose parts to fit into an ideal called inclusivity

You say that, and another says I'm elitist and exclusionary, and another says I compartmentalize. But nobody understands what I'm referring to. The truth will remain beyond your grasp as long as you retain a smug religious certainty.

a social gospel , a pick up your own cross etc .

Jesus said that we are to bear our own cross. I follow Christ. What is it that you follow?

YOU dont rip up false doctrines , though sometimes you have corrected some false doctrines .
You tear up the HEART OF THE GOSPEL epi . that is about the worst thing a person can do .
TIME you start reminding all about the DIRE NEED TO First BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
or its all in vain . EVEN if you do know aspects about the cross , or etc .

I leave you to your simplistic notions. But the gospel goes far deeper than you can imagine even as you use your imagination to put you in a place where you think you can teach others. You are obviously a novice. Go to the unsaved and preach the very first baby steps to them. You may even do some good!

 

[Episkopos]

Really?
You posted that you are here to "save the person"? and "rip up false doctrine'??

Then "rip these up".. as they are all "false doctrine".... and "save yourself""", and then you might be able to help someone .
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Let me post a few of your theological deceptions.. @Episkopos

@Episkopos said

"The Cross is not about Forgiveness".

yet Jesus died for the sin of the world, so that anyone can be forgiven their sin.

Episkopos said:
"""To impute God's righteousness to a created being is actually idolatry."""

Yet, when a person is "Justified by Faith".. .its only because they are "made Righteous", by the imputed righteousness of Christ

Episkopos said:
false again. It was evil men that made Jesus to be sin.

Yet the NT teaches that..

"God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"..

Episkopos said:
""""God takes a righteous person and MAKES him/her righteous.""""

Yet the Bible teaches that "ALL have sinned and there is NONE Righteous, no not one"..

"Jesus came into the world to save sinners", and @Episkopos teaches that He came into the world to make the Righteous more righteous.

@Episkopos posted.

"""""nobody ever receive God's righteousness"..""""


Yet God gives the believer "the Gift of Righteousness".... and Paul also teaches that the born again have been "MADE Righteous".

I already ripped up those false doctrines. You want me to take them back out of the compost bin? Yuck!

 

[amigo de christo]

It's not hard to see why your way would appeal to the pride in people.....your elitism is shocking. Aside from false doctrine on other subjects, I'm seeing now that even the way you are going about the subject of holiness is off. Not surprising since the foundation is wrong.

Think you missed the point of what I said though. The same gospel of repent and believe in Christ to be saved...is to the Jew first then TO THE HEATHEN. The heathen who you say can be saved by their own righteousness. Nobody is going to be saved by their own righteousness but only through the gospel.

The man beleives in this inclusive social gospel stuff .
He sees the true gospel AS THE SOCIAL gospel and not the GOSPEL IN THE ACTUAL bible .
Its why he beleives as he do .
He beleives in a self attainted gospel . a means by which man can attain and save himself , WITHOUT BELIEF ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
You would be amazed at what i learned in the libary about that incluisive stuff .
ITS A HEAVY DELUSOIN SISTER . i never seen one like it and it WILL MERGE ALL religoins and all denominations
as one under a lie sister and by means of a lie that it calls love .
But the truth is the church is in dire trouble .
You see when men like me try and even warn about the dangers of other faiths
we get shut down as though we are judging and non loving .
The church brought this on itself sister . Today the motto is JUST LIVE and GET ALONG and let live
and doctrine dont really matter just love . only ITS LOVE DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST , the DIRE NEED
to BELEIVE ON HIM and its love HONORS certain sins too and others false beleifs , others gods .
Most folks already agree with epi , THEY JUST DONT RELIAZE IT .
now when i say agree with epi , I DONT MEAN his every word and doctrine .
I MEAN the idea its not necessary TO BELEIVE on JESUS the CHRIST .
and if we take notice under the banner DOCTRINE DONT MATTER
they will all merge in time . as many already have in other places .
I cant stop it sister . but i can expose it .

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't think you are qualified to discern true doctrine. If you can read my posts and understand them...then you are reading sound doctrine. And because it is sound it might be too deep for spiritual novices. The proof is to seek God about it. I've had people who disagreed with me then prayed...in honesty, and God showed them that what I was saying is true. But any old casual surmising using a human understanding isn't going to get you there.

You say that, and another says I'm elitist and exclusionary, and another says I compartmentalize. But nobody understands what I'm referring to. The truth will remain beyond your grasp as long as you retain a smug religious certainty.



Jesus said that we are to bear our own cross. I follow Christ. What is it that you follow?

I leave you to your simplistic notions. But the gospel goes far deeper than you can imagine even as you use your imagination to put you in a place where you think you can teach others. You are obviously a novice. Go to the unsaved and preach the very first baby steps to them. You may even do some good!

The same JESUS that said we are to bear our own cross , SAID A whole lot of other things you seem to omit .
I already know all about bearing the cross , denying the flesh.
SO while you try so hard to teach these concepts , DO REMEMBER that same JESUS SAID YE MUST BELEIVE IN ME .
OOPSY epi , YA SURE SEEM TO FORGET THAT MAIN PART my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. And it's so grieving.

Its very grieving to see it . and beleive you me ITS BLASHPMEOUS to THE HOLY GOD too .
WHEN GOD spoke from the moutain HE said this is my beloved SON , HEAR HIM .
HE DIDNT SAY oh what he says DONT MATTER just pick up your own cross and try it your own way .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. And it's so grieving.

VERY . and my soul is terrified for so many who now are going in the direction that this other social do it yourself
gospel is taking them . Cause it aint leading to GOD but rather to periditoin .

 

[Lizbeth]

We can "put on" armour by imagination...as in..you're putting me on! ;) We can spiritualize a text without ANY reality being present. Putting on spiritual armour is synonymous with putting on Christ...a covering of righteousness in the light of God's love, and power. AKA The armour of light!

Don't mix truth with lies. A little leaven leavens the whole batch. Lies destroy the truth that you possess. And we can justify ourselves for being "mostly" right. But that's the same as being "nearly" dead.

Hmmm, it's funny how you always need to be brought back to the point of the post, Epi. Ironically and unfortunately you don't seem to think much of the GOSPEL, or of FAITH, or of RIGHTEOUSNESS or of THE WORD OF GOD (except for some cherry picking). Don't know what your spiritual warfare is based on then.

 

[Behold]

I already ripped up those false doctrines. You want me to take them back out of the compost bin? Yuck!

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""""Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, to everyone who believes.""" = Born again CHRISTians.

"""And be found in Christ, (as One with God) , not having my own righteousness..., which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, = the righteousness which is of GOD = by faith:

"Faith is counted BY GOD = as (Christ's) Righteousness'" on behalf of the BELIEVER.

"Justification by Faith".


Now, who are the Heretics?

These.

"and being Ignorant of GOD's Righteousness (that they say God does not give).. they go about trying to establish their OWN Righteousness".... which is SELF Righteousness.