Spiritual Warfare

[Lizbeth]

I know what words mean. And I know what religion does to words. The modern dictionaries have a religious definition that goes contrary to the normal definition...why? Because it is a popular misconception that has become part of the culture. Like the word "bad" now means something good....in the popular culture. But we have to read the bible WITHOUT a cultural bias.

People used to think being aggravated meant being angry. But to aggravate just means to make worse. As in "the situation was aggravated by the return of the giant hogweed".

The word "impute" means to "attribute" ...like having an attribute. If a person is funny, then a good sense of humour can be imputed to that person. But someone who is NOT funny cannot be imputed with a good sense of humour.

Likewise for sinners. A sinner has to repent from sin to be righteous before God. When a sinner does that then God can impute a righteousness to him/her if He wants...if He SEES what is required. But to impute God's own righteousness??...pure fable. We impute God's righteousness to God...or not at all.

How many have turned to fables in our time?...building up imaginations and arguments that exalt themselves above the actual knowledge (knowing) of God?

Just posting this for the sake of others who might be reading.

The scriptures themselves tell us what they mean:

Rom 4:3-8

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was COUNTED unto him for righteousness.

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the UNGODLY, his faith is COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness WIHOUT WORKS,

Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are FORGIVEN, and whose sins are COVERED.

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will NOT impute sin.



Rom 4:17

(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before Him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the DEAD, and calleth those things which BE NOT as though they were.

 

[Episkopos]

Just posting this for the sake of others who might be reading.

The scriptures themselves tell us what they mean:

Rom 4:3-8

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was COUNTED unto him for righteousness.

God recognized Abraham's childlike trust in Him as a good thing. Abraham did what was right in God's sight...therefore he was justified for his faith.

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the UNGODLY, his faith is COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness WIHOUT WORKS,

Paul uses Abraham as an example of being declared righteous by faith alone apart from works. This is a precedent from the Torah that shows us how we are to enter into the New Covenant with God...to receive His grace by faith.

I wonder how many are able to follow up to this point.

Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are FORGIVEN, and whose sins are COVERED.

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will NOT impute sin.

God has mercy on whom He wills....always has.

Rom 4:17

(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before Him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the DEAD, and calleth those things which BE NOT as though they were.

When God does this, it is based on truth...something that is real and WILL happen. God is sovereign and what He declares comes to pass. When people do this...they are called hypocrites. People are NOT God. Calling something made up as if it was true is the domain of liars. There are many warnings in the bible about those who lie. Liars are cast out of the kingdom.

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev. 22:15

I suggest you read Zechariah chapter 5. So much of modern churchianity can be summed up on what is written on the flying scroll.

Zech. 5: Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.
2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

People want so badly to be both saved and justified that they trust in religious salesmen who misrepresent the truth in order to do what brings condemnation from the Lord. As in...My people perish for lack of knowledge.

A thief takes things from God (like righteousness) who have NOT gone to God for it...but rather assumed and presumed (naming and claiming) to have it. After that those same people will swear falsely in His name...assuming and presuming that they can shut down any truth speakers...in order to defend what they claim as their right.

 

[Behold]

False. Jesus came to inaugurate a New Covenant. ALL who are of the truth hear his voice. You are out in right field.

I'll show you the verses....

First, let me explain a simple reality, for the Readers, and probably most of them know it, already.

The Cross, and Jesus dying on it, began God's Offer of Salvation to Gentiles.
This initiated the "Time of the Gentiles" and from HEAVEN, Jesus called Paul, to be the "Apostle to the Gentiles".
The Cross, is the Birth of the NT Church... and until the Cross, Jesus had been sent, specifically for the Jews. = 'House of Israel".

Episkopos does not know any of this, but he'll do a "reversal" now, and pretend He knew it all along, however, His initial posts, that he'll contradict now, prove His NT Theology knowledge is "minimal" at best, and His Understanding of God's Salvation, is less then "minimal" as He does not even know that God provided "The Gift of Righteousness" as "The Gift of Salvation">..., and any student of the NT, and person who studies Soteriology, would know this... .and he doesn't.

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Jesus answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

New Living Translation
Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.”

English Standard Version
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Berean Standard Bible
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Berean Literal Bible
And answering He said, "I was sent only to those being lost sheep of the house of Israel."

King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

New King James Version
But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

New American Standard Bible
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
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“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
ASV
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
AMP
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who murders the prophets and stones [to death] those [messengers] who are sent to her [by God]! How often I wanted to gather your children together [around Me], as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
AMPC
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, murdering the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a mother fowl gathers her brood under her wings, and you refused!
BRG
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
CSB
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
CEB
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem! You who kill the prophets and stone those who were sent to you. How often I wanted to gather your people together, just as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. But you didn’t want that.
CJB
“Yerushalayim! Yerushalayim! You kill the prophets! You stone those who are sent to you! How often I wanted to gather your children, just as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, but you refused!

 

[Episkopos]

I'll show you the verses....

First, let me explain a simple reality, for the Readers, and probably most of them know it, already.

The Cross, and Jesus dying on it, began God's Offer of Salvation to Gentiles.
This initiated the "Time of the Gentiles" and from HEAVEN, Jesus called Paul, to be the "Apostle to the Gentiles".

God sent Paul to spread the gospel of Christ...the gospel of the kingdom...not ignore Jesus' words as you suggest. In Christ is neither Jew nor Gentile...a spiritual realm doesn't respect persons. It is open to all.

And the time of the Gentiles is also the time of the Jews...as neither are a distinction in the New Covenant. ALL Israel is the inclusion of Ephraim...represented by the Gentiles who were not a people of God..but now are though faith in Christ.

The Cross, is the Birth of the NT Church...

No. Pentecost is the birth of the church...life in the Spirit empowered to walk as Jesus walked.

and until the Cross, Jesus had been sent, specifically for the Jews. = 'House of Israel".

The Jews were the only people of God at that time...until Gentiles were ALSO included in a universal new covenant with all men. It just so happens that Paul was sent to the Gentiles...to preach the words of Jesus and declare the gospel of His kingdom. What you err in is in thinking that Paul preached ANOTHER gospel that is separate from what Jesus preached. And by thinking such a thing you have fallen into the trap that Paul himself condemns. You are using Paul as an excuse to preach ANOTHER gospel.

Episkopos does not know any of this, but he'll do a "reversal" now, and pretend He knew it all along,

More imagination..and self-congratulatory thinking that has no basis in reality.

however, His initial posts, that he'll contradict now, prove His NT Theology knowledge is "minimal" at best, and His Understanding of God's Salvation, is less then "minimal" as He does not even know that God provided "The Gift of Righteousness" as "The Gift of Salvation">..., and any student of the NT, and person who studies Soteriology, would know this... .and he doesn't.

To someone who lacks any understanding at all, it would appear that way. I don't accept a different gospel than what Jesus, Paul, Peter and the other apostles preached.

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Jesus answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

New Living Translation
Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.”

English Standard Version
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Berean Standard Bible
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Berean Literal Bible
And answering He said, "I was sent only to those being lost sheep of the house of Israel."

King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

New King James Version
But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

New American Standard Bible
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
===============================================

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
ASV
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
AMP
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who murders the prophets and stones [to death] those [messengers] who are sent to her [by God]! How often I wanted to gather your children together [around Me], as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
AMPC
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, murdering the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a mother fowl gathers her brood under her wings, and you refused!
BRG
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
CSB
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
CEB
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem! You who kill the prophets and stone those who were sent to you. How often I wanted to gather your people together, just as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. But you didn’t want that.
CJB
“Yerushalayim! Yerushalayim! You kill the prophets! You stone those who are sent to you! How often I wanted to gather your children, just as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, but you refused!

It's funny how people misunderstand the bible. A person will cite the "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel" verse...and then refute that when Jesus says "unless you believe in Me you will perish"...as if that WASN'T said to those same lost sheep.

Can you say?...selective hearing?

 

[Behold]

God sent Paul to spread the gospel of Christ...the gospel of the kingdom...

Paul was sent to preach the "Gospel of the Grace of God".

When the Trib starts, you'll find that "kingdom Gospel" up and running, as that is when God again deals with the JEW.
And that is Why Jesus talked about the "Kingdom" to the JEWS.

And the time of the Gentiles is also the time of the Jews...

The Time of the Jews, specifically ended with the Cross of Christ.

The time of the Gentiles, started, with the Cross, and Jesus said...>>>"i have called Paul, he is a chosen vessel to me, ""

Paul is the "Apostle to the Gentiles'.... and the NT Church is currently in the "time of the Gentiles"..

This ends when the TRIBULATION Starts, and the "gospel of the Kingdom" will be preached then.

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I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry

New Living Translation
I am saying all this especially for you Gentiles. God has appointed me as the apostle to the Gentiles. I stress this,

English Standard Version
Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry

Berean Standard Bible
I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry

Berean Literal Bible
Now I am speaking to you the Gentiles. Therefore indeed inasmuch as I am apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

King James Bible
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

No. Pentecost is the birth of the church...life in the Spirit empowered to walk as Jesus walked.

The Cross is the Birth of the Church.

NO Cross,= No Pentecost "outpouring".

No Cross,= No Salvation

The Jews were the only people of God at that time...

I showed you the verses.

Jesus came to the "House of Israel" to the Jew.

Once He died on the Cross, then Salvation began to be offered to "all who will believe".. Gentile or Jew.

 

[Episkopos]

Paul was sent to preach the "Gospel of the Grace of God".

When the Trib starts, you'll find that "kingdom Gospel" up and running, as that is when God again deals with the JEW.
And that is Why Jesus talked about the "Kingdom" to the JEWS.

You have misunderstood Paul's mission completely. The gospel of the kingdom is entered into by grace through faith.

But Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom

The Time of the Jews, specifically ended with the Cross of Christ.

No. At Pentecost the Spirit was poured out on ALL flesh starting with the Jews. Do you realize that the early Christians were Jews?

The time of the Gentiles, started, with the Cross, and Jesus said...>>>"i have called Paul, he is a chosen vessel to me, ""

Paul is the "Apostle to the Gentiles'.... and the NT Church is currently in the "time of the Gentiles"..

This ends when the TRIBULATION Starts, and the "gospel of the Kingdom" will be preached then.

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I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry

New Living Translation
I am saying all this especially for you Gentiles. God has appointed me as the apostle to the Gentiles. I stress this,

English Standard Version
Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry

Berean Standard Bible
I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry

Berean Literal Bible
Now I am speaking to you the Gentiles. Therefore indeed inasmuch as I am apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

King James Bible
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:




The Cross is the Birth of the Church.

NO Cross,= No Pentecost.

No Cross,= no Salvation




I showed you the verses.

Jesus came to the "House of Israel" to the Jew.

Once He died on the Cross, then Salvation began to be offered to "all who will believe".. Gentile or Jew.

Incoherent.

 

[Behold]

You have misunderstood Paul's mission completely. The gospel of the kingdom is entered into by grace through faith.

When Jesus talked about the Kingdom, to the Jews, is specific to them.
If you have a bible, and you read The Revelation, you will note that there are no Christian's preaching "the Gospel of the Grace of God" that is "Paul's Gospel"... "Paul is the Apostle to the GENTILES".
So, in the Trib, and Grt Trib. = Jews, and the "gospel of the Kingdom".


Whereas, in the "time of The Gentiles", you find CHRISTIANS, preaching, "The Gospel of the GRACE of God".

No. At Pentecost the Spirit was poured out on ALL flesh starting with the Jews.

The Cross was given, before Pentecost arrived.
So, The Cross, birthed the "Body of Christ".

And if you have a bible, you can read John 20:22, and discover that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the 11 Apostles,, before Pentecost.

And the reason that The HS is given to All flesh, is because the Cross of Christ, has established the "time of the Gentiles" which allows "all flesh" to become a "Son of God".

 

[Lizbeth]

God recognized Abraham's childlike trust in Him as a good thing. Abraham did what was right in God's sight...therefore he was justified for his faith.


Paul uses Abraham as an example of being declared righteous by faith alone apart from works. This is a precedent from the Torah that shows us how we are to enter into the New Covenant with God...to receive His grace by faith.

I wonder how many are able to follow up to this point.


God has mercy on whom He wills....always has.

When God does this, it is based on truth...something that is real and WILL happen. God is sovereign and what He declares comes to pass. When people do this...they are called hypocrites. People are NOT God. Calling something made up as if it was true is the domain of liars. There are many warnings in the bible about those who lie. Liars are cast out of the kingdom.

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev. 22:15

I suggest you read Zechariah chapter 5. So much of modern churchianity can be summed up on what is written on the flying scroll.

Zech. 5: Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.
2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

People want so badly to be both saved and justified that they trust in religious salesmen who misrepresent the truth in order to do what brings condemnation from the Lord. As in...My people perish for lack of knowledge.

A thief takes things from God (like righteousness) who have NOT gone to God for it...but rather assumed and presumed (naming and claiming) to have it. After that those same people will swear falsely in His name...assuming and presuming that they can shut down any truth speakers...in order to defend what they claim as their right.

Smoothly evading and distracting from the point as usual I see. But you aren't who I am speaking to anyway.

All I am talking about here is what IMPUTATION means in the context of Romans 4. Epi's definition is wrong and those passages I posted prove it to be wrong. And it is clear that he doesn't understand what faith means either and why it is needed, and what it means to walk by faith not by sight.....Faith being the evidence of things not seen....etc. Posting to encourage others here, that we all continue to STAND in faith for the faith and not be moved from the foundation and cornerstone.

We are saved by faith......"this grace wherein we STAND".......not reckoned by debt (not because He owes it to us because we were righteous....no, on the contrary the scripture says we were ungodly when He justified/exonerated us) but reckoned/counted by grace through faith. Hence imputed. That is why it became our new STANDing with God....this grace wherein we STAND. Though of course it doesn't END there.....because as long as we are in this life we have a race to run (lawfully, lest we be disqualified) so as to win the prize, the END of our faith. We are warned it is possible to fall away, so we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Sin is one way we can fall away to be sure......but falling away from grace is another!

 

[Episkopos]

When Jesus talked about the Kingdom, to the Jews, is specific to them.
If you have a bible, and you read The Revelation, you will note that there are no Christian's preaching "the Gospel of the Grace of God" that is "Paul's Gospel"... "Paul is the Apostle to the GENTILES".
So, in the Trib, and Grt Trib. = Jews, and the "gospel of the Kingdom".


Whereas, in the "time of The Gentiles", you find CHRISTIANS, preaching, "The Gospel of the GRACE of God".

Nonsense. You would have Paul stating that anyone who preached the gospel of the kingdom of God should be anathema...rather than he condemning what you are doing.

Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom, the same as Jesus did.

He entered the synagogue, and for three months debated boldly with persuasive arguments about the kingdom of God. Acts 19:8

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Acts 20:24,25


Notice in the above verses that the gospel of grace IS the gospel of the kingdom....no different. To make them different condemns your ideas as anathema.



And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him. Acts 28:30-31

 

[Episkopos]

Smoothly evading and distracting from the point as usual I see. But you aren't who I am speaking to anyway.

All I am talking about here is what IMPUTATION means in the context of Romans 4. Epi's definition is wrong and those passages I posted prove it to be wrong.

According to reading skills and the Spirit...I am right...and you are twisting the meaning of the gospel into a pretzel.

And it is clear that he doesn't understand what faith means either and why it is needed, and what it means to walk by faith not by sight.....

You know you lie.

Faith being the evidence of things not seen....etc. Posting to encourage others here, that we all continue to STAND in faith for the faith and not be moved from the foundation and cornerstone.

The foundation which is Christ....not "Christ in you". My statement is biblical. Yours is according to your feelings based on a more Buddhist philosophy that comes from your past.

We are saved by faith......"this grace wherein we STAND".......not reckoned by debt (not because He owes it to us because we were righteous....no, on the contrary the scripture says we were ungodly when He justified/exonerated us) but reckoned/counted by grace through faith. Hence imputed. That is why it became our new STANDing with God....this grace wherein we STAND. Though of course it doesn't END there.....because as long as we are in this life we have a race to run (lawfully, lest we be disqualified) so as to win the prize, the END of our faith. We are warned it is possible to fall away, so we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Sin is one way we can fall away to be sure......but falling away from grace is another!

You are speaking words that are NOT meant to defend a religious apprehension of the text.

A disciple stands by the faith OF Christ....not just a human faith. Walking by faith and not by sight means that a disciple is walking in another realm...the kingdom realm. Otherwise you are suggesting that a person can walk in his/her religious beliefs. But such beliefs have NO POWER...to do anything but indoctrinate a person.

The gospel is according to power...not a religious ideological scheme that one believes in for self-justification. The New Covenant is about justification of LIFE...eternal life. Otherwise any Tom, Dick or Mary could read the bible and declare himself/herself saved, somewhat sanctified, and possessing God's own righteousness....as we see modern churchianity mocking the truth (and God) with.

 

[amigo de christo]

Just posting this for the sake of others who might be reading.

The scriptures themselves tell us what they mean:

Rom 4:3-8

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was COUNTED unto him for righteousness.

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the UNGODLY, his faith is COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness WIHOUT WORKS,

Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are FORGIVEN, and whose sins are COVERED.

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will NOT impute sin.



Rom 4:17

(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before Him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the DEAD, and calleth those things which BE NOT as though they were.

If we examine the core root of the problem we gonna see something so simple as wee little one could have seen it .
Do you know what all false teaches have in common within christendom . . WELL its not what they teach as we know
many teach differently than another .
HERE Is what it is
THEY can sure claim to BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST but sure dont seem to BELIEVE HIS WORDS .
BINGO and bulleyes . IN fact
they will often present another version of said JESUS . and boy that one sure seems
to teach certain things their lustful hearts desired to hear .
Heck i even seen some say HE is LORD , HE IS CHRIST
HE is the savoir , THEN Turn around and DENY HIM to the FACE
by implying ITS NOT necessary to even have to BELIEVE ON HIM .
WELL , that AINT what THE JESUS in that BIBLE SAID sister .
and as you well know by now . WHO ya think i am gonna follow
The image men twisted and produced , OR THE REAL DEAL SISTER . for more info
A LOT about the REAL ONE IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE already . Many gonna wail sister
they gonna wish and pray and wail to GOD on the day of the LORD
wishing to GOD they have never bought a lie . But , TOO late then . Better we stick to the bible to learn
than to learn of these men sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

Smoothly evading and distracting from the point as usual I see. But you aren't who I am speaking to anyway.

All I am talking about here is what IMPUTATION means in the context of Romans 4. Epi's definition is wrong and those passages I posted prove it to be wrong. And it is clear that he doesn't understand what faith means either and why it is needed, and what it means to walk by faith not by sight.....Faith being the evidence of things not seen....etc. Posting to encourage others here, that we all continue to STAND in faith for the faith and not be moved from the foundation and cornerstone.

We are saved by faith......"this grace wherein we STAND".......not reckoned by debt (not because He owes it to us because we were righteous....no, on the contrary the scripture says we were ungodly when He justified/exonerated us) but reckoned/counted by grace through faith. Hence imputed. That is why it became our new STANDing with God....this grace wherein we STAND. Though of course it doesn't END there.....because as long as we are in this life we have a race to run (lawfully, lest we be disqualified) so as to win the prize, the END of our faith. We are warned it is possible to fall away, so we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Sin is one way we can fall away to be sure......but falling away from grace is another!

What was the main core message of the one true gospel that the one true early church once preached so very long long ago .
A hint , what must we do to be saved , REPENT and BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
rather odd that many today seem to forget the BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and YE SHALL BE SAVED part .
But i do invite us to go again to look again at the gospels written
look in acts , Look in the letters the apostels wrote .
NOW grab a pen
and every TIME you see the word BELIEVE , i want you to mark a mark. MAKE SURE YOU GOT SOME PAPER SISTER
cause its said A LOT . yet today , i aint seen eip lip it at all , rather he attacks
my BELIEVE YE MESSAGE as though its religoius dribble . Many are already gone in the way of epi sister .
Maybe not on this site , but on many sites and many churches they sure have .
OH they might not agree with his pick up cross stuff
BUT THEY SURE AGREE with his YA DONT HAVE TO BELIEVE part . ever heard of the falling away . ITS HERE SISTER .

 

[Behold]

Nonsense. You would have Paul stating that anyone who preached the gospel of the kingdom of God should be anathema..

Currently, the "body of Christ" is in the "time of the Gentiles".... and that is not the Trib-GrtTrib or the Millennial Reign of Christ.

So, "in the time of the Gentiles", Paul delivers what He calls "MY Gospel", = 3x in the NT.
And Jesus was not sharing that with the Jews, as there was no "My Gospel" given to Paul by Christ, at that time, as there was no Paul The Apostle yet called to deliver HIS Gospel.... when Jesus was talking to the JEWS, about the "kingdom".

So, when Paul says that if you preach or teach ""any other Gospel then His"", you have a "cursed" issue.... and He's talking about "MY Gospel", that is Paul's unique Gospel., that is specifically for the "TIME of the GENTILES"/

And recently, when you denied that God gives righteousness, you denied Paul's gospel, and that puts you here... = : Galatians 1:8

Now, i know you will deny what you said, as that is your behavior on this Forum once your false theology is REVEALED again and again... but i have your posts, and if you do deny it, i'll quote you until you stop denying what you posted.

You decide that, @Episkopos .

Now, in the TRIB, God resumes dealing specifically with the JEW, ... exactly as God was doing before the Cross was raised, which began the "TIME of the GENTILES"....

So, at this time, .. the body of Christ is mostly GENTILES, because God is dealing with humanity in the "time of the Gentiles".. and Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles" so, Paul's Gospel, currently is THE Gospel.

And its this..

"The Gospel of the GRACE of God"..

And that is... ."The Preaching of THE CROSS.....is THE POWER OF GOD.... unto Salvation".....

That is not the "preaching of the kingdom".. so, be sure you read carefully, so that you can finally understand the Gospel, that Paul said is "my Gospels" 3x.

And no worries, i know you will pretend that you knew it, and only teach that, but, as i told you, ive deal with you for while now, and you teach anything except Paul's Gospel. @Episkopos.

-see you there

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Paul said...

For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

New Living Translation
For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified.

English Standard Version
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Berean Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.

King James Bible
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

New King James Version
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

New American Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1995
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1977
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Legacy Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Amplified Bible
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].

Christian Standard Bible
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For I didn’t think it was a good idea to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

American Standard Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Neither did I judge myself as knowing anything among you, except Yeshua The Messiah, even him as he was crucified.

Contemporary English Version
In fact, while I was with you, I made up my mind to speak only about Jesus Christ, who had been nailed to a cross.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

English Revised Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
While I was with you, I decided to deal with only one subject-Jesus Christ, who was crucified.

Good News Translation
For while I was with you, I made up my mind to forget everything except Jesus Christ and especially his death on the cross.

International Standard Version
For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified.

 

[Episkopos]

Currently, the "body of Christ" is in the "time of the Gentiles".... and that is not the Trib-GrtTrib or the Millennial Reign of Christ.

So, "in the time of the Gentiles", Paul delivers what He calls "MY Gospel", = 3x in the NT.
And Jesus was not sharing that with the Jews, as there was no "My Gospel" given to Paul by Christ, at that time, as there was no Paul The Apostle yet called to deliver HIS Gospel.... when Jesus was talking to the JEWS, about the "kingdom".

So, when Paul says that if you preach or teach ""any other Gospel then His"", you have a "cursed" issue.... and He's talking about "MY Gospel", that is Paul's unique Gospel., that is specifically for the "TIME of the GENTILES"/

And recently, when you denied that God gives righteousness, you denied Paul's gospel, and that puts you here... = : Galatians 1:8

Now, i know you will deny what you said, as that is your behavior on this Forum once your false theology is REVEALED again and again... but i have your posts, and if you do deny it, i'll quote you until you stop denying what you posted.

You decide that, @Episkopos .

Now, in the TRIB, God resumes dealing specifically with the JEW, ... exactly as God was doing before the Cross was raised, which began the "TIME of the GENTILES"....

So, at this time, .. the body of Christ is mostly GENTILES, because God is dealing with humanity in the "time of the Gentiles".. and Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles" so, Paul's Gospel, currently is THE Gospel.

And its this..

"The Gospel of the GRACE of God"..

And that is... ."The Preaching of THE CROSS.....is THE POWER OF GOD.... unto Salvation".....

That is not the "preaching of the kingdom".. so, be sure you read carefully, so that you can finally understand the Gospel, that Paul said is "my Gospels" 3x.

And no worries, i know you will pretend that you knew it, and only teach that, but, as i told you, ive deal with you for while now, and you teach anything except Paul's Gospel. @Episkopos.

-see you there

-

Paul said...

For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

New Living Translation
For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified.

English Standard Version
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Berean Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.

King James Bible
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

New King James Version
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

New American Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1995
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1977
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Legacy Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Amplified Bible
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].

Christian Standard Bible
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For I didn’t think it was a good idea to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

American Standard Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Neither did I judge myself as knowing anything among you, except Yeshua The Messiah, even him as he was crucified.

Contemporary English Version
In fact, while I was with you, I made up my mind to speak only about Jesus Christ, who had been nailed to a cross.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

English Revised Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
While I was with you, I decided to deal with only one subject-Jesus Christ, who was crucified.

Good News Translation
For while I was with you, I made up my mind to forget everything except Jesus Christ and especially his death on the cross.

International Standard Version
For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified.

So in your scheme whoever preaches the same gospel as Jesus preached....the gospel of the kingdom of God...is accursed??? I hope a few readers will be able to deduce what you are peddling here. A MASSIVE confusion.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt. 24:14

Come out from under the curse of Paul...and come under the blessing of Christ. :)

 

[Behold]

So in your scheme whoever preaches the same gospel as Jesus preached...

Jesus didnt preach to Gentiles., so, you need to understand that, first.

What Jesus did, was DIE on the Cross, that established the New Testament, and then after He ascended to Glory, Christ called Paul to become the ONLY "Apostle to the Gentiles".
The other 11, were sent to the House of Israel, (Jews) when Jesus and the Apostles were ministering while Jesus was alive.
I realize that you can't understand this, and that's ok, as the readers who are Tracking me, and also listening to you stumble and theologically flail... and so they are learning....

So, from HEAVEN, and After the Cross has established the "Time of the Gentiles"... Paul was called by Christ to be the""""" Apostle to the Gentiles.""""""
Not Peter, not Jude, Not John, not any other Apostle.
Got that yet?

Paul said that the Gospel HE Received, came from "NO MAN".... but from Jesus Himself.
So, that is Christ giving Paul the revelation of the "Gospel of the Grace of God", that was Paul's Alone, and that is why He refers to this unique Gospel, as "MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.

In Acts 15, Paul taught it to all the other Apostles, and im showing it to you, @Episkopos .

 

[Lizbeth]

What was the main core message of the one true gospel that the one true early church once preached so very long long ago .
A hint , what must we do to be saved , REPENT and BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
rather odd that many today seem to forget the BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and YE SHALL BE SAVED part .
But i do invite us to go again to look again at the gospels written
look in acts , Look in the letters the apostels wrote .
NOW grab a pen
and every TIME you see the word BELIEVE , i want you to mark a mark. MAKE SURE YOU GOT SOME PAPER SISTER
cause its said A LOT . yet today , i aint seen eip lip it at all , rather he attacks
my BELIEVE YE MESSAGE as though its religoius dribble . Many are already gone in the way of epi sister .
Maybe not on this site , but on many sites and many churches they sure have .
OH they might not agree with his pick up cross stuff
BUT THEY SURE AGREE with his YA DONT HAVE TO BELIEVE part . ever heard of the falling away . ITS HERE SISTER .

Amen brother. It is that same one and only gospel of "repent and believe in Jesus Christ and ye shall be saved" that is to the Jew first.....THEN THE GENTILE. Any other way to be saved and climbing into the sheepfold by any other way....is religious dribble, oh my.

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus didnt preach to Gentiles., so, you need to understand that, first.

What Jesus did, was DIE on the Cross, that established the New Testament, and then after He ascended to Glory, Christ called Paul to become the ONLY "Apostle to the Gentiles".
The other 11, were sent to the House of Israel, (Jews) when Jesus and the Apostles were ministering while Jesus was alive.
I realize that you can't understand this, and that's ok, as the readers who are Tracking me, and also listening to you stumble and theologically flail... and so they are learning....

So, from HEAVEN, and After the Cross has established the "Time of the Gentiles"... Paul was called by Christ to be the""""" Apostle to the Gentiles.""""""
Not Peter, not Jude, Not John, not any other Apostle.
Got that yet?

Paul said that the Gospel HE Received, came from "NO MAN".... but from Jesus Himself.
So, that is Christ giving Paul the revelation of the "Gospel of the Grace of God", that was Paul's Alone, and that is why He refers to this unique Gospel, as "MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.

In Acts 15, Paul taught it to all the other Apostles, and im showing it to you, @Episkopos .

It's very easy to understand that you have settled on a different gospel than what Paul or Jesus preached....you are not paying attention to the bible at all. You are on your own. OK maybe you have cohorts here that also reject the truth.

If you have to throw out Jesus from your equation to embrace Paul, then you don't understand Paul at all.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I write this for any of sound mind that have adopted the modern gospel scheme that is easily refuted by any honest reading of the biblical text. .

 

[Behold]

It's very easy to understand that you have settled on a different gospel than what Paul or Jesus preached...

Its very easy for you to state that false statement, to try to deflect.

Its a fail.... just like you last 90 posts. @Episkopos

Listen, there is one Gospel, given in the "time of the Gentiles', and it's Paul's Gospel.
Jesus was not preaching Paul's Gospel to Jews, when Christ was alive, as Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles.

Notice... Paul is explaining how HIS Gospel, was given to him, and he told YOU, in Galatians 1:8, that if you preach any other, and you do, then you are a : Galatians 1:8.

read....
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I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin.

New Living Translation
Dear brothers and sisters, I want you to understand that the gospel message I preach is not based on mere human reasoning.

English Standard Version
For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel.

Berean Standard Bible
For I certify to you, brothers, that the gospel I preached was not devised by man.

Berean Literal Bible
For I make known to you, brothers, the gospel having been preached by me, that it is not according to man.

King James Bible
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

New King James Version
But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.

New American Standard Bible
For I would have you know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel which was preached by me is not of human invention.

READ This now..
New International Version
I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

New Living Translation
I received my message from no human source, and no one taught me. Instead, I received it by direct revelation from Jesus Christ.

English Standard Version
For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Berean Standard Bible
I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

Berean Literal Bible
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but by a revelation of Jesus Christ.

King James Bible
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

New King James Version
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

New American Standard Bible
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

NASB 1995
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

NASB 1977
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[Episkopos]

Amen brother. It is that same one and only gospel of "repent and believe in Jesus Christ and ye shall be saved" that is to the Jew first.....THEN THE GENTILE. Any other way to be saved and climbing into the sheepfold by any other way....is religious dribble, oh my.

I think that all of you who are stuck on believing in Jesus or not...and how important it is..how it is a "dire need" as I hear those who need Christ right now...these should get on with it...and do it! Believe! If you have a theory on how to become a believer, then I suggest you follow through. If you have believed, then go to a thread that nurtures novice believers.

This thread is NOT about how to become a believer or how to molly coddle those who refuse to get out of the baby stage of naming and claiming. Oh my is right!

This thread is too heavy for baby believers. I suggest that novices go to happy positive threads. :)
I hope you and your friends here can find solace in your beliefs. I hope those beliefs lead to faith IN Christ.

 

[Behold]

I think that all of you who are stuck on believing in Jesus or not..

You teach that the Cross is not about forgiveness
You teach that God does not give righteousness.

So, your theology, regarding Salvation, is : Galatians 1:8

You can of course, continue to talk in circles, and try to "sound spiritual" as is your Ministry.... but that's not going to help you @Episkopos