God Created All Humanity When He Created Adam

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God performed 1 single creative act in making Man.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

This wasn't simply God creating a single man, to be followed by an innumerable series of individuals. When God created Adam, He created all humanity. From Adam, Eve was taken, but not as a new creative act as when God created Adam.

Children when they are conceived are not each new creations like Adam was, but are the unfolding of Humanity, created by God in that day, now unfolding through the centuries as each generation comes from the last. The child is of course formed from cells that come from the parents, as a continuation of the same life created in Adam on that day.

We see this here,

Hebrews 7:8-10
(8) And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
(9) And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
(10) For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Levi paid tithes to Melchisedec, being in the loins of his father, Abraham, who was likewise in the loins of his father, and so on, back to Adam.

When Adam died, because he sinned, all humanity died, being in the loins of Adam. Just as Levi paid tithes.

Much love!

 

[RedFan]

When Adam died, because he sinned, all humanity died, being in the loins of Adam

Do you say that if Adam hadn't sinned, he would have lived physically forever -- and his progeny as well?

 

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Do you say that if Adam hadn't sinned, he would have lived physically forever -- and his progeny as well?

Yes, I think so.

Not exactly the same topic, but here is an interesting passage concerning the redemption of Israel:

Isaiah 59:21 KJV
As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Much love!

 

[JBO]

God performed 1 single creative act in making Man.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

This wasn't simply God creating a single man, to be followed by an innumerable series of individuals. When God created Adam, He created all humanity. From Adam, Eve was taken, but not as a new creative act as when God created Adam.

Children when they are conceived are not each new creations like Adam was, but are the unfolding of Humanity, created by God in that day, now unfolding through the centuries as each generation comes from the last. The child is of course formed from cells that come from the parents, as a continuation of the same life created in Adam on that day.

We see this here,

Hebrews 7:8-10
(8) And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
(9) And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
(10) For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Levi paid tithes to Melchisedec, being in the loins of his father, Abraham, who was likewise in the loins of his father, and so on, back to Adam.

When Adam died, because he sinned, all humanity died, being in the loins of Adam. Just as Levi paid tithes.

Much love!

Adam didn't die physically because he sinned. Physical death is an integral feature of the physical creation. Adam died physically because God ejected him from the Garden and he no longer had access to the tree of life (Gen 3:22). He died spiritually when he sinned. That is the same with us. We die spiritually when and because we have sinned.

God does not condemn anyone for another's sin. He doesn't condemn you for your fathers sins. Adam's sons were not condemned for Adam's sins. Adam's grandsons were not condemned for their fathers sins. The doctrine of Original Sin is just wrong. It is heresy.

 

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Adam died physically because God ejected him from the Garden and he no longer had access to the tree of life (Gen 3:22).

Romans 5:12-14 KJV
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Is your thinking here that this death Paul wrote about refers to spiritual death?

One more question if I may . . . why is it that everyone (excepting Jesus) sins?

Much love!

 

[RedFan]

Adam didn't die physically because he sinned. Physical death is an integral feature of the physical creation. Adam died physically because God ejected him from the Garden and he no longer had access to the tree of life (Gen 3:22).

If God ejected him because of his sin, and he died from being ejected, what's the difference?

 

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If God ejected him because of his sin, and he died from being ejected, what's the difference?

I think it matters to understand what the death is that God said would come on the day Adam ate from the tree. Physical death was assured when they were ejected from the garden, and cut off from the Tree of Life. Just the same God said "in the day you eat of it", which had to be true also.

Much love!

 

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Romans 5:17 KJV
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Much love!

 

[JBO]

Romans 5:12-14 KJV
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Is your thinking here that this death Paul wrote about refers to spiritual death?

One more question if I may . . . why is it that everyone (excepting Jesus) sins?

Much love!

Romans 5:12 ESV
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned--

And yes, this death is spiritual death. The entire physical universe is limited. Death is an integral part of the creation of physical life.

As to why everyone sins, why did Adam sin? He listened to Eve, not God. So then why did Eve sin? She sinned because she decided she liked the fruit. She listened to herself, not God.

Let me ask you...... why among all the animals in the world, it is only the human being that sins?

 

[JBO]

If God ejected him because of his sin, and he died from being ejected, what's the difference?

I didn't die from being ejected, he died because he no longer had access to the fruit which would keep him from dying. He died because death is intrinsic to all physical life. That is the way God created it.

 

[RedFan]

I didn't die from being ejected, he died because he no longer had access to the fruit which would keep him from dying. He died because death is intrinsic to all physical life. That is the way God created it.

I see "he died from lack of access to the fruit which keeps one alive physically forever" and "death is intrinsic to all physical life" as contradictory.

 

[JBO]

I see "he died from lack of access to the fruit which keeps one alive physically forever" and "death is intrinsic to all physical life" as contradictory.

Then you obviously do not understand the concept of contradiction.

The fruit of the Tree of life did not, upon eating it once, bring immortality. It was a prophylactic fending off dying. The whole fruit eating thing is metaphoric. If literal, why didn't God just put a tree in the Garden whose fruit would prevent disobedience? That would have solved the problem of sin.

 

[Wynona]

God performed 1 single creative act in making Man.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

This wasn't simply God creating a single man, to be followed by an innumerable series of individuals. When God created Adam, He created all humanity. From Adam, Eve was taken, but not as a new creative act as when God created Adam.

Children when they are conceived are not each new creations like Adam was, but are the unfolding of Humanity, created by God in that day, now unfolding through the centuries as each generation comes from the last. The child is of course formed from cells that come from the parents, as a continuation of the same life created in Adam on that day.

We see this here,

Hebrews 7:8-10
(8) And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
(9) And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
(10) For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Levi paid tithes to Melchisedec, being in the loins of his father, Abraham, who was likewise in the loins of his father, and so on, back to Adam.

When Adam died, because he sinned, all humanity died, being in the loins of Adam. Just as Levi paid tithes.

Much love!

Whoah. Can't wait to share this idea. Thinking about it

 

[JBO]

Why do so many of you think that God would punish all of humanity for what one man did. Where is God's grace and glory in that? Where is God's justice in that? Do you punish all your kids when one does something that needs punishing? I wouldn't think so. Why would you think God would do that? Such thinking turns God into the ogre of all ogres. Read Ezekiel 18.

 

[Wynona]

Why do so many of you think that God would punish all of humanity for what one man did. Where is God's grace and glory in that? Where is God's justice in that? Do you punish all your kids when one does something that needs punishing? I wouldn't think so. Why would you think God would do that? Such thinking turns God into the ogre of all ogres. Read Ezekiel 18.

What is your view on God's justice, if you don't mind? If you already said it, forgive me.

 

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Romans 5:12 ESV
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned--

And yes, this death is spiritual death. The entire physical universe is limited. Death is an integral part of the creation of physical life.

Still thinking about this . . .

As to why everyone sins, why did Adam sin? He listened to Eve, not God. So then why did Eve sin? She sinned because she decided she liked the fruit. She listened to herself, not God.

Let me ask you...... why among all the animals in the world, it is only the human being that sins?

Yes, both made choices contrary to God's command.

Ephesians 4:14 KJV
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Scripture is completely silent on Adam's reasons for eating. Eve, we are told, was deceived. She thought she was doing something good. And she then went to share that good thing with her husband, who, knowing better, ate.

What is sin? Is it not going against God's command? Has God commanded the animals, and some do, and some do not obey? I don't know. Animals act contrary to their normal nature sometimes. Animals are body with soul (mind, memory, will, preferences, emotions; the psyche). People, until they are born again, are body and soul. The spirit within is dead.

Even when God hasn't commanded, there is still right and wrong, and knowing right and wrong, people go against that. Is it sin when my cat goes into my bedroom when he knows I've just told him not to? I've never really thought about that.

Of course man's creation was different from the animals, we are different from them, with a different relationship with God. Presumably! I can't actually say with any certain knowledge what an animal's relationship with God may or may not be.

Much love!

 

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God does not condemn anyone for another's sin. He doesn't condemn you for your fathers sins. Adam's sons were not condemned for Adam's sins. Adam's grandsons were not condemned for their fathers sins. The doctrine of Original Sin is just wrong. It is heresy.

There is the condemnation for sin, there is the imputation of sin, and there is the reality of sin, and each of these address different aspects.

"Sin is not imputed when there is no law". Someone may sin, but without God having told them it was sin, He does not count it against them judicially. So there is no condemnation for sin. But it's still sin, and it still has effect.

It's like jumping off a building when there is no law against it. You aren't guilty of breaking a law, but you still die when you hit the street.

If you chop off your finger, you've not broken the law, but you are still missing your finger.

All humanity contained in Adam, when Adam sinned, he, all that he was, died. So even not being condemned for Adam's sin, we still share his death, his spiritual death, which means we are born disconnected from God. And that assures us that we will in fact sin, each of us, as soon as we are able.

And again there is that passage, "by one man offence death reigned by one". Whether you see this as spiritual or physical death, it all came from Adam, his sin.

Much love!

 

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Then you obviously do not understand the concept of contradiction.

This kind of talk has no place on my thread. Let's mind our manners please.

Much love!

 

[JBO]

What is your view on God's justice, if you don't mind? If you already said it, forgive me.

The whole concept of justice is an interesting one for me. Depending upon the particular English version, the Hebrew word, "tsedawkaw" is translated as righteous(ness) or justice. For example compare the KJV and the NASB for Genesis 18:19.

Either way, justice is always that which is right and morally correct. For me, there is no justice in God if He condemns the whole of humanity for what Adam did. There is no concept of right or morally correct in such a thing. He is righteous, He is just. He would not spiritually separate Himself from someone because Adam disobeyed.

 

[JBO]

This kind of talk has no place on my thread. Let's mind our manners please.

Much love!

The statements, "John has 10 horses" and "John has 14 horses" is not a contradiction. The contradiction to "John has 10 horses" is "John does not have 10 horses".