Is anyone else a Seer?
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Carl Emerson
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What I'm debating here are two concepts. I will list mine in number one and then try to list what so many are telling me on this thread.
1.) The future foretold by God is what He knows will happen because He knows what He is going to do to make it happen.
2.) The future foretold by God is something that already happened before it happened and God knows it before it happened and can show you when it happened even though it has not happened yet.
Already happened before it happens? Someone is saying that? Sounds strange, to say the least!
My concept is that God exists outside of the space/time continuum which He created, and just like we can watch a movie at any point, because we are not in the movie, God sees all times from His vantage outside of time.
Much love!
Let's say I'm God and therefore I can't die or get sick. Tomorrow I plan on going to a mountain and blow it into the sea. I tell you the night before I'm going to do this. Or I tell you the night before that this will happen. Does that mean you were taken into the future?
Apparently you would be a god that cannot see into the future, so no, there is no promise that this is actually the future. It's someone's wishful thinking, or intention, but not prophecy.
And not "taken into the future", though I don't see the relevence to this discussion.
Is it true that you believe God is not able to see the future until it happens? I don't see how that doesn't make God to be subject to His Own creation, which is what makes no sense to me.
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Seeing people's Countenance shine is a common place gift, not so grand a gift compared to Prophesy, a Prophet is below a Seer. Seeing the divine glory, spirits and angels is not the same as hearing God, and hearing God is different than seeing God. Seers stood in the presence of God, others have Visions ascents to the throne, some have Dream Visions like Jacob.
I also say people struck dumb by the spirit isn't the gift of tongues, but not to say it wasn't a profound miracle for them.
Apparently you would be a god that cannot see into the future, so no,
Oh good you agree with me.
Is that what you actually think? That the Creator God would be so limited as your analogy? I don't think that at all! Perhaps you should review my posts?
Do you truly consider God to be subject to His Own creation? Powerless against the time He made?
Much love!
Is God In Control OF Everything
Does He foresee the entire human history at once
We do indeed have significant differences among various traditions spread out all over the planet. However, the one fundamental shared concept seems to be quite similar, that the world is a spiritual battle zone, which is why it looks that way. From Indonesia to the Hottentots of South Africa, the Nahuatl of Mexico, the Apaches, Chiricahua, and Papagoes of the American Southwest, along with Northeatern Nigeria, and the Vedic Poets of early Hinduism just to name a few. And everywhere in between we find people all over the globe in every culture speaking and writing about some type of spiritual battle going on.
Why does it have to be God in control of everything when the whole world from every culture since the beginning of man has spoken about gods, angels, demons, and Satan? Even the Buddha speak about the realm of angry spirits. This the invisible society of spirits do seem to be behind much that occurs in the physical world. We are often told that people suffer because they deserve it. And we seem to be able to go into great explanations expressing a confidence in God's absolute sovereignty, defined here as control, that seems to provide many believers with a great deal of security. We teach in our churches that everything is under God's control, and thereby everything is proceeding as divinely planned, and that somehow it all fits together.
This concept did not attain the status of a universal explanation for evil until years after a man was born on the planet who was called Augustine. It's indeed historically true that what has constituted the most frequent explanation in the church and in western culture for why people suffer is due to the fact that a man was born on the planet called Augustine. And so this concept of God being in control of both good and evil is why we often consider a secret "divine blueprint" behind everything that is both good and evil being somehow an extension of God's good (but very mysterious) will. This is the biggest reason why we have trouble accepting the truth concerning the good and evil of the world we experience. A murder is more real to us than devils because the churches do not teach that the world we live in is involved in a state of war that is spiritual.
The origin of evil among the cosmic powers is much like the origin of evil among human beings. And this is why the Jews saw no need to investigate the matter further (even if such an investigation were possible). The Jews knew only that both cosmic powers and humans were free to choose to obey or to disobey and that it was not God's fault if either of them disobeyed. Those who lived at the time of the first century (when the New Testament Scriptures were first starting to be spoken) had always thought of the problem of evil in the context of spiritual warfare. They understood the world was caught up in a cosmic battle and thus is saturated with horrifying suffering and evil. No one prior to Augustine, suspected that above this freely generated warfare there existed an even more fundamental explanation whereby an all-good and all-determination blueprint existed in the mind and will of God.
Does He foresee the entire human history at once
We do indeed have significant differences among various traditions spread out all over the planet. However, the one fundamental shared concept seems to be quite similar, that the world is a spiritual battle zone, which is why it looks that way. From Indonesia to the Hottentots of South Africa, the Nahuatl of Mexico, the Apaches, Chiricahua, and Papagoes of the American Southwest, along with Northeatern Nigeria, and the Vedic Poets of early Hinduism just to name a few. And everywhere in between we find people all over the globe in every culture speaking and writing about some type of spiritual battle going on.
Why does it have to be God in control of everything when the whole world from every culture since the beginning of man has spoken about gods, angels, demons, and Satan? Even the Buddha speak about the realm of angry spirits. This the invisible society of spirits do seem to be behind much that occurs in the physical world. We are often told that people suffer because they deserve it. And we seem to be able to go into great explanations expressing a confidence in God's absolute sovereignty, defined here as control, that seems to provide many believers with a great deal of security. We teach in our churches that everything is under God's control, and thereby everything is proceeding as divinely planned, and that somehow it all fits together.
This concept did not attain the status of a universal explanation for evil until years after a man was born on the planet who was called Augustine. It's indeed historically true that what has constituted the most frequent explanation in the church and in western culture for why people suffer is due to the fact that a man was born on the planet called Augustine. And so this concept of God being in control of both good and evil is why we often consider a secret "divine blueprint" behind everything that is both good and evil being somehow an extension of God's good (but very mysterious) will. This is the biggest reason why we have trouble accepting the truth concerning the good and evil of the world we experience. A murder is more real to us than devils because the churches do not teach that the world we live in is involved in a state of war that is spiritual.
The origin of evil among the cosmic powers is much like the origin of evil among human beings. And this is why the Jews saw no need to investigate the matter further (even if such an investigation were possible). The Jews knew only that both cosmic powers and humans were free to choose to obey or to disobey and that it was not God's fault if either of them disobeyed. Those who lived at the time of the first century (when the New Testament Scriptures were first starting to be spoken) had always thought of the problem of evil in the context of spiritual warfare. They understood the world was caught up in a cosmic battle and thus is saturated with horrifying suffering and evil. No one prior to Augustine, suspected that above this freely generated warfare there existed an even more fundamental explanation whereby an all-good and all-determination blueprint existed in the mind and will of God.
Yes.
So says the Scriptures, that He sees the end from the beginning, which means that when something begins, i.e. creation, He knows how it will end, no limitations placed on that.
Much love!
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This is so not true! I've been in several churches that do in fact teach this, and I've listened to sermons from many churches which do in fact teach this, so I don't really know where that is coming from.
And in the same way that God created man, and the terrestrial realm, God also created the celestial realm, and those who live therein. And in the same way that He knows the end from the beginning in the terrestrial realm, so He also knows in the celestial realm, both being His creation. He is not subject to His Own creation.
Much love!
Hillsage
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Yes I do believe in the manifestation of supernatural power from both, the devil and God. WHY? Because I have experienced His supernatural power as well as that of the Satan and the devil. As for your 'lament' concerning 'the church'...you have just described the majority of the church IMO. Most are so afraid of the devil's supernatural power manifestations that they have become indoctrinated to walk in none of the power from God, for fear of something not being from God. I thank God that early on we were taught that if your WALK isn't SUPERNATURAL then it's too SUPERFICIAL.
But, for the second time now you've mentioned your eyes being possibly 'healed' (Your 'word' in an earlier post, if I remember correctly) to see these auras, and now you say "opened by the Holy Spirit'" So could that also be a 'healing' type of 'opening'? I say that because there is a whole other avenue we can go down concerning auras.
That avenue being that they are nothing but the electromagnetic field which surrounds all living things. In 1985 I read a 400 page book called "The Body Electric" by Robert Becker who was a medical researcher in the field of limb regeneration. It was based upon something like a lizard that can grow a tail back after it has been cut off. He had a picture in the book of a person with his hand, which was missing a finger in the flesh, and yet the electromagnetic corona which was around the other attached fingers still revealed a field where the 'missing' finger was located with special Kirlian photography. And it was this type of phenomenal thing which Becker felt would allow him to discover how to regenerate missing limbs. Visible light runs in the 450 to 750 nanometers or between the Infrared and violet spectrum of Invisible light. But somewhere I read that the people who do see auras simply have more physical ability to see just past both the Infrared and violet spectrum. And this explanation takes auras totally out of any supernatural realm. Although with Kirlian photography it was noted that people who were sick would have very weak auras and healthy positive people would have bigger auras. And if someone healthy went into a hospital where a sick person was, and then got close to the sick person, their weak auras would actually improve and get brighter. Kind of cool, but not supernatural. Although if you go to the WWW their are those trying to pursue the spooky spiritual road....for a profit too....imagine that.
Wrangler
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Moving the goal post. Never have I even thought, let alone wrote, that I was in a different dimension.
You seem caught up in the HOW of a miracle.
Jesusfollower
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Hello Carl, the commandments include the sabbath, so yes. Can you define for me the new covenant of grace so we may discuss.
My definition of the new covenant is from Jeremiah 31:31-34.
And I am not part of any denomination or sect, I am a simple guy reading the Bible, I use a catholic bible, crampon version in french, a papal edition very close to the original texts, I also use the KJV.. My parents were non practising catholic, so I went to catholic school but never adhered to that church ad they do not follow scripture, I follow Christ teaching primarily, my reference point to which I compare everything else.
Blessings.
Different dimension, being in the future, seeing the future... it's all the same thing.
Context Mark... Context. The context is the concept written within the following...
This concept did not attain the status of a universal explanation for evil until years after a man was born on the planet who was called Augustine. It's indeed historically true that what has constituted the most frequent explanation in the church and in western culture for why people suffer is due to the fact that a man was born on the planet called Augustine. And so this concept of God being in control of both good and evil is why we often consider a secret "divine blueprint" behind everything that is both good and evil being somehow an extension of God's good (but very mysterious) will. This is the biggest reason why we have trouble accepting the truth concerning the good and evil of the world we experience. A murder is more real to us than devils because the churches do not teach that the world we live in is involved in a state of war that is spiritual.
Wrangler
Well-Known Member
Again. So says you, attempting to alter my testimony. I witnessed a vision of the future.
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