Is anyone else a Seer?

[1stCenturyLady]

Hello,

just want to point out something useful from Deuteronomy, Since I do not want to see these lights or darkness in people for the reason that I started to judge people, and saw too many dark things lurking around and it creep me out, I found I did not need this at all.

Instead, In Deuteronomy, there are principles related to discerning true prophets or teachers and avoiding false ones. please consider the relevant passages, from them, I extracted practical guidance:

Deuteronomy 13:1-5 (KJV)​

"1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee."

Explanation and Practical Guide:

• Testing the Message: The primary test here is whether the prophet's message leads people away from worshiping the true God (Yahweh) and toward other gods. This is a foundational principle: any message that contradicts or leads away from the worship of the one true God is to be rejected.
• Consistency with God's Word: Even if signs or wonders accompany the prophet's words, if they advocate for worshiping other gods or departing from God's commandments as revealed in Scripture, they are false.
• Spiritual Discernment: This passage teaches us to be discerning of messages claiming divine authority. Even miraculous signs are not sufficient proof of a true prophet if their message deviates from God's revealed will.

In Red is the most frequent deviations from God's words that I see today, if someone teaches against the commandments, they are not from God.​

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Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (KJV)​

"20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

Explanation and Practical Guide:

• Accuracy of Prophecy: This passage emphasizes the importance of accuracy in prophecy. A true prophet's words should come to pass as spoken. If a prophet's predictions consistently fail to materialize, they are not speaking on behalf of God.
• Fearlessness in Discernment: Believers are instructed not to fear prophets who do not align with God's truth, even if they claim divine authority. This encourages discernment and critical evaluation of spiritual messages.
• Testing Over Time: Prophecies and teachings should be evaluated over time, not just in the immediate context. Consistency and faithfulness to God's character and revealed will are key factors in discerning true from false spirits.

Practical Application:​

• Know God's Word: Regularly study the Scriptures to understand God's character, will, and commands.
• Pray for Discernment: Ask God for wisdom and discernment (James 1:5) to recognize true and false spirits.
• Evaluate Messages: Compare any spiritual message or prophecy with Scripture. Does it align with the truth of God's Word?
• Consider Fruit:
  Matthew 7:16 (KJV):"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
  This verse is part of Jesus' teaching on discerning false prophets by the fruits they bear. He uses the analogy of fruit-bearing plants to illustrate that good results (fruit) cannot come from something inherently bad or deceptive (thorns or thistles). Thus, by examining the outcomes or effects of someone's words or actions, one can discern whether they are aligned with God's truth and righteousness.
• Seek Counsel: Seek wise counsel from mature believers and church leaders when discerning spiritual matters.

Blessings.

You don't know me but I am a closely held follower of Christ also. Don't you know that because of that I cannot be fooled. "Satan cannot touch me." It is my total faith in Him that keeps me in the center of His will. When I prayed for this gift it had stipulations on it. That if the gift the women had in my little church was of the devil and he was counterfeiting nothing from God, I would not receive anything at all! But I did, and it is real. Also, I read an old prophecy given to me from 2000 that one of the last lines said, "that her eyes would be opened by the Spirit of God," and now they have.

PLEASE, out of this worldwide congregation of forum writers, is there anyone that still believes in the power of God, and NOT in the devil, as if he is more powerful than my God and Savior Jesus Christ and all gifts are counterfeits of God's gifts now long gone!

 

[marks]

If God tells me or shows me a picture or a video of what something will be like next year. That does not mean I went to the future. It only means God told me about something or showed me a picture or something that we would call today in English a video.

OK. I don't know what your issue is though with the idea that God may do that with someone else.

By the reading of that passaged it happened at least that once.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I covered this a number of posts ago when I said if I could not get sick or die than would my dream about walking up tomorrow be me seeing into the future.

That doesn't make sense to me, the two things are unrelated. You could be immortal while still having "just a dream".

Much love!

 

[marks]

PLEASE, out of this worldwide congregation of forum writers, is there anyone that still believes in the power of God, and NOT in the devil, as if he is more powerful than my God and Savior Jesus Christ!

Of course I believe in God's power! But that doesn't mean you are or are not seeing something real, or that you should be seeing. The two things are unrelated.

God has power, and maybe or maybe not you are seeing this or that, or nothing at all. Still God is powerful!

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Of course I believe in God's power! But that doesn't mean you are or are not seeing something real, or that you should be seeing. The two things are unrelated.

God has power, and maybe or maybe not you are seeing this or that, or nothing at all. Still God is powerful!

Much love!

How unrelated???

 

[marks]

How unrelated???

Whether or not God is powerful, certainly He is powerful. But the fact that God is powerful doesn't mean that I'm a walrus, or a welder (which I'm not), or that I see glows on people's heads. There is more to it than whether God has power. God has power, but that doesn't mean that everything that is perceived to be done by Him has been in fact done by Him, or even that your claims are true (I'm not saying they are not, only that the fact of God's power is not the authentification of your claims).

I can say, I've grown wings, and can now flap them and fly (I haven't). And you may say, "that's ridiculous!" (it is). I might then reply, "What, don't you believe God can do that?" (He can). But the fact that He could doesn't mean He did.

Much love!

 

[Jesusfollower]

You don't know me but I am a closely held follower of Christ also. Don't you know that because of that I cannot be fooled. "Satan cannot touch me." It is my total faith in Him that keeps me in the center of His will. When I prayed for this gift it had stipulations on it. That if the gift the women had in my little church was of the devil and he was counterfeiting nothing from God, I would not receive anything at all! But I did, and it is real. Also, I read an old prophecy given to me from 2000 that one of the last lines said, "that her eyes would be opened by the Spirit of God," and now they have.

PLEASE, out of this worldwide congregation of forum writers, is there anyone that still believes in the power of God, and NOT in the devil, as if he is more powerful than my God and Savior Jesus Christ and all gifts are counterfeits of God's gifts now long gone!

I do believe you and have seen the Power of God! My faith in the lord is like yours, rock solid. If you wanted this gift and it was granted to you then so be it. Just do something for me but I ask this for you. I ask that you use the Deuteronomy rules mentioned for when you see the white lights above preachers, The Lord asks us to ""test the spirits"" always. Sometimes it is the only way to be certain. I have given you the tools to do so.

Bless you.

 

[Azim]

You don't know me but I am a closely held follower of Christ also. Don't you know that because of that I cannot be fooled. "Satan cannot touch me." It is my total faith in Him that keeps me in the center of His will. When I prayed for this gift it had stipulations on it. That if the gift the women had in my little church was of the devil and he was counterfeiting nothing from God, I would not receive anything at all! But I did, and it is real. Also, I read an old prophecy given to me from 2000 that one of the last lines said, "that her eyes would be opened by the Spirit of God," and now they have.

PLEASE, out of this worldwide congregation of forum writers, is there anyone that still believes in the power of God, and NOT in the devil, as if he is more powerful than my God and Savior Jesus Christ and all gifts are counterfeits of God's gifts now long gone!

I believe you. You mentioned earlier you started this thread to connect with others with the gift. Maybe God wants you to go to Him to learn how to use it, according to His will? He is the one who gave you this gift, so He would know best. I say this, because recently God revealed a spiritual gift He gave me. I had no idea about it, but on one occasion, it was followed by a dream, which became true, in regards to someone in my church. I'm not even sure what the gift would be called. However, a second instance, two weeks ago, in regards to another person at church, it happened again. It resulted in God needing me to pray for this other person. The prayer was answered immediately, followed by a sign from God.

 

[Carl Emerson]

departing from God's commandments as revealed in Scripture

I don't intend to draw the thread off course, but would you include keeping Sabbath in this test?

If not how do you apply this in the New Covenant of Grace?

I ask this because certain sects apply this and condemn the true voice when it arises.

 

[Carl Emerson]

PLEASE, out of this worldwide congregation of forum writers, is there anyone that still believes in the power of God, and NOT in the devil, as if he is more powerful than my God and Savior Jesus Christ and all gifts are counterfeits of God's gifts now long gone!

Can you expand on the last part please...

all gifts are counterfeits of God's gifts now long gone!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I believe you. You mentioned earlier you started this thread to connect with others with the gift. Maybe God wants you to go to Him to learn how to use it, according to His will? He is the one who gave you this gift, so He would know best. I say this, because recently God revealed a spiritual gift He gave me. I had no idea about it, but on one occasion, it was followed by a dream, which became true, in regards to someone in my church. I'm not even sure what the gift would be called. However, a second instance, two weeks ago, in regards to another person at church, it happened again. It resulted in God needing me to pray for this other person. The prayer was answered immediately, followed by a sign from God.

Thank you for believing me. I knew there must be someone in this world with faith. And right before I sat down just now I knew I should ask God. Dah! He always answers me, and I can always hear his voice.

What is also true in my past is God has used me as the answer to someone else's prayer. I started working in the accounting department of a firm in Beverly Hills back in the '70s where there were three women with familiar spirits all in my department! The office manager had prayed for help, and God sent me. She and her husband who was an Episcopal priest were called to houses that had demons as exorcists. She and I became partners to pray for the office early in the morning where we anointed all the doors. After that I became privy to how my boss, a black witch, hired people. It was according to their birthdays. We were all Leos. She took me to lunch on Secretaries Day and I asked her about her familiar spirits (it was no secret). She had two named Peter and John, but not THE Peter and John. However, THE Paul did come to her once to give her a message that she can't tell anyone. I told her, that's okay, I know what he said. She said, "What did he say then." I told her that she had been given these gifts to teach to others and she wasn't using them enough and should go deeper into these gifts." It was exactly what that demon told her! Shortly after that one of the three women left the company, and shortly after that, my boss met a man and they were going to take a used school bus and convert it into a motor home and go live in the desert. Then I got really sick with the flu and was off from work for over a week. I was praying and feeling guilty that I didn't convert those two black witches. God spoke to me and told me I wasn't sent to convert the women, but to cleanse the office according to my partner's prayer. I said, "well, if that his true, why is there one left?" I went to work the next day and she had been fired the day before as I was asking that question!

I say that to all those who are trying to teach me about the wiles of the devil, and come close to calling me a liar. Sorry, I don't need teaching. I'm not only a teacher myself, but an exorcist. And I have no fear of demons nor the devil, himself, so they leave me alone. Demons let their mediums see auras on everyone they are "reading." God's gift is about the worthiness of the sermon connected to that teacher or prophet. It is not carte blanch about everyone.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Can you expand on the last part please...

It is about the huge mistake that Cessationists make. John Calvin was the teacher of Cessationism.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Would it be reasonable to expand this discussion into whether folks have seen into the spiritual realm in general, because on occasion I have, and seen immediate answers from God concerning it.

 

[Carl Emerson]

It is about the huge mistake that Cessationists make. John Calvin was the teacher of Cessationism.

OK got it...

 

[Carl Emerson]

I can relate to what you are sharing but wonder if this open public forum is the right way to seek credibility.

What I mean is the Spirits of the Prophets should be subject to the Prophets, but this is in the context of orderly fellowship.

Can you confirm that this general principle is being met in your case ?

 

[Peterlag]

That doesn't make sense to me, the two things are unrelated. You could be immortal while still having "just a dream".

Much love!

I don't know why it does not make sense to you. Many people have dreams about them being someplace next week and they are really there next week because the place did not burn down. And none of that means they went into the future because they had a dream.

 

[Peterlag]

OK. I don't know what your issue is though with the idea that God may do that with someone else.

By the reading of that passaged it happened at least that once.

Much love!

Because more then one person on this thread is saying when a human dreams because God inspired him to dream that the person saw or went into the future. And I'm saying a dream does not send anyone into the future.

 

[marks]

I don't know why it does not make sense to you. Many people have dreams about them being someplace next week and they are really there next week because the place did not burn down. And none of that means they went into the future because they had a dream.

If you have "just a dream", it won't matter whether you live or die, it was "just a dream", and is not reflective of whether or not the thing will happen, maybe it will, by coincidence.

Do you believe that prophecy is always true? I do. If God says it will happen, it will happen. And if God gives you a dream to show you what will happen, that will happen. And if God takes you somewhere, in sometime, and lets you see what is there to be seen, then that is also a reality.

Naturally having a dream (as people dream) is not the same as being transported to another place, or another time.

I'm having a difficult time understanding what your exact objection is, and maybe we are talking past each other. Does it seem to you like I'm not on the same track as you?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Because more then one person on this thread is saying when a human dreams because God inspired him to dream that the person saw or went into the future. And I'm saying a dream does not send anyone into the future.

As far as going into the future, I see only one instance in the Bible. As far as seeing the future, it seems that's happened a number of times, Scripturally speaking. If you have a dream from God of the future, aren't you seeing the future?

Is it your thinking that God doesn't necessarily know the future?

Do you believe in prophecy that foretells the future accurately?

Much love!

 

[Carl Emerson]

As far as going into the future, I see only one instance in the Bible. As far as seeing the future, it seems that's happened a number of times, Scripturally speaking. If you have a dream from God of the future, aren't you seeing the future?

Is it your thinking that God doesn't necessarily know the future?

Do you believe in prophecy that foretells the future accurately?

Much love!

Peter doesn't believe God is able to see the future before it happens - he follows the teaching of Greg Boyd...