What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[Truther]

Do you believe that George Wasgungton was a President?
WHY?? Were you there?

Do you believe that Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence?
WHY?? Did you see him do it??

Do you just deby history that involved faith in Jesus Christ - or do you reject ALL of it?
Why do you believe in Scripture when it was the CATHOLIC CHURCH that compiled and declared the Canon of Scripture?

Son, you're a living, breathing contradiction . . .

History is laced with fake news. The Bible is not. History is written by the winners. The Bible is not(but by the world’s enemies). History is not sacred. The Bible is.
The Roman Catholic Church treats ecumenical history as it is scripture. They regard it as sacred. They think these so-called ancient church fathers are infallible.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Heresy: That special moment when you think you have greater spiritual insight than the Apostles, the disciples, the Apostolic Fathers, the Church founded by Christ, and the Magiesterium, because you have a Bible that they wrote, compiled, and gave to you.

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[BreadOfLife]

Hmmm.
So are you aware that some priests say that one could not believe some doctrine and still consider themselves a Catholic?
Yes. I can attest to this in more ways than one.

Not sure whether or not I agree with this.
Used to be that you had to accept all dogma and doctrine or, at the least pray about it so it wouldn't be obstintate denial.
Liberalism is creeping in....

And are YOU aware that some priests are just wrong?

Disagreeing with a discipline or an opinion of a Bishop or Pope is one thig.
But, rejecting doctrine ir dogma is heresy.

That doesn''t "change".

 

[BreadOfLife]

History is laced with fake news. The Bible is not. History is written by the winners. The Bible is not(but by the world’s enemies). History is not sacred. The Bible is.
The Roman Catholic Church treats ecumenical history as it is scripture. They regard it as sacred. They think these so-called ancient church fathers are infallible.

And YOU adhere to a Canon of Scripture that was compiled and declared by the Catholic Church.

This is why the Scriptures refer to the CHURCH as -
- The Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- The Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).

How 'bout that?
YOU cling to a Cathoic Tradition . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you don’t say the name when baptized in the name of Jesus, you are denying Jesus …it is simple as that. Your beef is with the name Jesus. You refuse to say the name Jesus during baptism because the enemy will not let you. Simple as that.

According to YOU.

Acciediung t Jesus - he said the following:
Matt. 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

I'll take Jesus over an ignorant little internet poster . . .

 

[Taken]

Actually, an anti-Cathollic is sperson who ignores certain verses of Scripture and actually LIES about history as it pertains to the Church - gping so far as to dismiss the corroboraton of the Early Church Fathers. They also lie about Catholic doctrine.

Rejecting Catholic doctrine make one a non-Catholic.

LYING about the history of the Church and what Catholics believe and teach makes on an anti-Catholic.

Biased Accusations of LYING about …
“THE” Church…is an anti-Catholic?

Hummm…
Fact is …
Non-Catholics BELIEVE
“THE” Church IS Christ’s Church;
“THE” Doctrine IS Christ Jesus’ Doctrine;
“THE” Head of Christ’s Church IS Christ Jesus.
“THE” Father IS God.
“PRAYER” IS TO the Lord God.
“WORSHIP” IS TO the Lord God.
PER Christ Jesus’ OWN Claims and Preaching…

NOT the “NON-SCRIPTURAL” Church YOU promote,
NOT the Church “FATHERS” YOU promote,
NOT the “NON-SCRIPTURAL DOCTRINE” YOU promote.
NOT the “NON-SCRIPTURAL HISTORY” YOU promote.
NOT “PRAYERS” TO Dead People, YOU promote.

BY YOUR definition, YOU are an Anti-Protestant, and no one cares.

 

[Truther]

And YOU adhere to a Canon of Scripture that was compiled and declared by the Catholic Church.

This is why the Scriptures refer to the CHURCH as -
- The Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- The Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).

How 'bout that?
YOU cling to a Cathoic Tradition . . .

As long as the Catholics did not write the Bible, I’m cool with that. I don’t care if they canonized it and placed it in the order it is in. I’m just glad they didn’t touch its content. They have their own Bible that came later. That’s the perverted Catholic Bible.

 

[Truther]

According to YOU.

Acciediung t Jesus - he said the following:
Matt. 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

I'll take Jesus over an ignorant little internet poster . . .

Let’s face it Catholic, because you absolutely refuse to say the name of the son as Jesus, you deny Jesus. You’re ashamed of his name. There’s some kind of spiritual mind block that is opposing the name of Jesus between your ears. You cannot baptize in the name of Jesus like Peter did if your life depended on it. Only God can help you and deliver you from that. I’ve actually seen people have to be delivered so that they can get baptized in Jesus name. It’s that hard.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Biased Accusations of LYING about …
“THE” Church…is an anti-Catholic?

That's not what BofL said, and everyone can see it. You insist on making a fool of yourself.
LYING about the history of the Church and what Catholics believe and teach makes one an anti-Catholic.
Lying about what someone said that everyone can see makes you look stupid.

Most non-Catholics Christians are not rabid anti-Catholic bigots who never finished high school. They are a minority within a minority, but feed off of slick sounding preachers because Catholic bashing meets some sick need; whereas Catholics are instructed to accept all baptized Christians as brothers and sisters in the Lord, and call them Christians. The anti-Catholic, the rabid type, are mentally ill.

If repetition was the only thing that influenced what we believed we'd be in trouble, but it isn't. We can all bring to bear more extensive powers of reasoning, but we need to recognize they are a limited resource. Our minds are prey to the illusion of truth effect because our instinct is to use short-cuts in judging how plausible something is. Often this works. Sometimes it is misleading.

Once we know about the effect we can guard against it. Part of this is double-checking why we believe what we do – if something sounds plausible is it because it really is true, or have we just been told that repeatedly? This is why scholars are so mad about providing references - so we can track the origin on any claim, rather than having to take it on faith.

But part of guarding against the illusion is the obligation it puts on us to stop repeating falsehoods. We live in a world where the facts matter, and should matter. If you repeat things without bothering to check if they are true, you are helping to make a world where lies and truth are easier to confuse. So, please, think before you repeat.

Taken never provides references, so we can track the origin on any claim, rather than having to take it on faith.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

According to YOU.

Acciediung t Jesus - he said the following:
Matt. 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

I'll take Jesus over an ignorant little internet poster . . .

Now he's lying about Bible history. One lie after another. I suggest you stop feeding the troll, he just gets fatter.

 

[Taken]

That's not what BofL said, and everyone can see it. You insist on making a fool of yourself.
LYING about the history of the Church and what Catholics believe and teach makes one an anti-Catholic.
Lying about what someone said that everyone can see makes you look stupid.

Most non-Catholics Christians are not rabid anti-Catholic bigots who never finished high school. They are a minority within a minority, but feed off of slick sounding preachers because Catholic bashing meets some sick need; whereas Catholics are instructed to accept all baptized Christians as brothers and sisters in the Lord, and call them Christians. The anti-Catholic, the rabid type, are mentally ill.

If repetition was the only thing that influenced what we believed we'd be in trouble, but it isn't. We can all bring to bear more extensive powers of reasoning, but we need to recognize they are a limited resource. Our minds are prey to the illusion of truth effect because our instinct is to use short-cuts in judging how plausible something is. Often this works. Sometimes it is misleading.

Once we know about the effect we can guard against it. Part of this is double-checking why we believe what we do – if something sounds plausible is it because it really is true, or have we just been told that repeatedly? This is why scholars are so mad about providing references - so we can track the origin on any claim, rather than having to take it on faith.

But part of guarding against the illusion is the obligation it puts on us to stop repeating falsehoods. We live in a world where the facts matter, and should matter. If you repeat things without bothering to check if they are true, you are helping to make a world where lies and truth are easier to confuse. So, please, think before you repeat.

Taken never provides sources, just opinions.

Nothing new…Gaslighter methods …

Let’s have a conversation…
I’ll begin “REVEALING” the METHOD you USE.

DESCRIBE the OTHER…
Fool
Liar
Stupid
Rabid Bigot
Sick needs
Mentally ill
High school drop out
Doesn’t bother to CHECK FACTS

DESCRIBE Yourself …
* Extensive reasoning in your MIND
* Instinct to use short-cuts in determining plausibility of a truth
* IF something IS plausible IN your MIND, it IS factually TRUE.
* Does “CHECK” facts.

I am fully AWARE of TWO EXPRESSLY very Distinct, DIFFERENT “TYPES” of people who “ARE” members of “THE” Catholic Church…

** ONE, being driven BY THEIR “Hearts Faith” IN the Lord God, and agreeable to participate in Catholic “doctrines and rituals”.
(Not you.)

** ONE, being driven BY THEIR “Carnal MIND” ….
Beginning EVERY COMMENT with the MOST crude, rude, snarky, disparaging, name-calling and accusations that “IS” continually at the forefront OF THEIR “CARNAL MIND”…and then END their COMMENT with their SELF-elevating of “HOW” brotherly “loving” they ARE!
(IS you)

Maybe you SHOULD consider FACT CHECKING…Gods VIEW regarding “YOUR CARNAL MIND”…

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Fred J]

Didn’t happen.



I am not subject to WHAT YOU BELIEVE by YOUR SIGHT.



My writing, is From SEEING, READING, STUDYING Scripture…
My understanding, is a Blessed Gift FROM the Lord God.
My standing IS a Blessed Gift “with” AND “in” the Lord God and His Spirit “with” AND “in” me.



Distinguishing is faulty, when you are void of the TRUTH and UNDERSTANDING, according to the Lord God.



You react in a VAGUE manner, Tongue wagging, YET fail to Challenge Particular Points.

PROPER CHALLENGE EXAMPLE…



Disagree.
Born Again means a mans NATURAL SPIRIT, born of a MANS SEED…
IS:
A mans natural spirit becoming MADE Born AGAIN of Gods SEED, by, through, the Power (Holy Spirit) of God.
God IS SPIRIT…
Gods Being, Word, Power, Seed…IS SPIRIT.

(Next you should, read, study, learn…WHAT Gods Spirit IS….what a mans NATURAL spirit IS…and what CHANGES when God “MAKES” a natural mans spirit, BORN AGAIN of Gods Supernatural SEED. )




LOL…I do not know you, nor do you know me…but I did disagree with your post….AND did notice your PERSONAL accusations Against me…that you now complain ONLY perpetuated by me…

Beware of swinging doors!

Are you GODsGRACE?

Answering for another person is immature and unwise.

You can tag me all you want, but i perceive in my spirit where you stand, that is among 'lukewarm' believers.

Let the Lord decide, for He knows everyone in and out best.....

 

[Fred J]

Your post tells me all I need to know about you.
And what I posted to the other member stands.

You are divisive and not even for good reasons...

1 Corinthians 1.10
10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brothers, rejoice. Aim for restoration, comfort one another, agree with one another, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.


1 Peter 3:8
Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind.


Philippians 2:2
Complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.


And there's more.

To discuss differences is one thing....
To degrade another Christian denomination and its followers is another.

Ha...., ha....., ha......

 

[GodsGrace]

And are YOU aware that some priests are just wrong?

Disagreeing with a discipline or an opinion of a Bishop or Pope is one thig.
But, rejecting doctrine ir dogma is heresy.

That doesn''t "change".

I agree with you.
Which is why I don't define myself as Catholic.
A problem in the church is that most don't even know what it teaches and you know this is true.
I hang with traditional Catholics that are upset that the Tabernacle was moved to a side nave for reasons of quiet prayer.

As to heresy....
A catholic teaching that is new, not biblical, and not taught in the early church, to which there is no mention by the early fathers, is not heresy.

It's one of those doctrine that Protestants rail against and make the CC seem out of touch with reality. The reality espoused by the early church.

 

[Taken]

…i perceive in my spirit where you stand, that is among 'lukewarm' believers.

Let the Lord decide, for He knows everyone in and out best.....

Contradictory…

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

I agree with you.
Which is why I don't define myself as Catholic.
A problem in the church is that most don't even know what it teaches and you know this is true.
I hang with traditional Catholics that are upset that the Tabernacle was moved to a side nave for reasons of quiet prayer.

As to heresy....
A catholic teaching that is new, not biblical, and not taught in the early church, to which there is no mention by the early fathers, is not heresy.

It's one of those doctrine that Protestants rail against and make the CC seem out of touch with reality. The reality espoused by the early church.

G.K. Chesterton once said that the best argument against Christianity is Christians. That is certainly true of Catholicism. Pope John Paul II, putting it politely, says, "The Catholic Church does not forget that many among her members cause God's plan to be discernible only with difficulty." (Ut Unum Sint, 11).

But is that really an argument against the truth of the faith? I don't see how. To argue that Catholicism is untrue because it doesn't transform the lives of those who don't practice it, is like arguing that aspirin doesn't work because it doesn't relieve the headaches of those who don't take it.

The Church only claims to announce the Good News of Jesus Christ, and it invites everyone to embrace the life of grace He offers. It does not claim that people who spurn its teachings and reject its life will be transformed into faithful disciples anyway. Nor does it claim that being born to Catholic parents guarantees that a person will inherit his parents' faith. If you want to see the fruit of the Catholic faith, you have to look at the people who are committed to the faith, who take it seriously and put it into practice every day.

It's pointless to look at those who are cultural Catholics only, who say they're Catholic if you ask them, but who don't try to live the life, even though they may go to Mass out of habit, or guilt, or whatever. People aren't magically transformed into good Christians just by walking into a Catholic church (even if they do it every week). Repentance and conversion of heart are the keys to the Christian life. Without them, everything else is sterile and false, whether one calls oneself "Catholic" or not.
read more here How Can Catholicism Be True When Catholics Are So Dead?

 

[GodsGrace]

Liberalism is alive and well in this thread. BTW, there have always been trouble makers and schismatics plaguing the episcopate , not to mention outright liars like Archbishop Vigango, a media superstar, who recently got excommunicated for schism.
Certain Catholic media has an anti-Francis agenda, such as Lifesite News. They hate the pope, but do a good job defending the unborn. We also have hysterical traditionalist reactionaries like Dr. Taylor Marshal doing a lot of damage to his large following. And there's Michael Voris who sees homosexual clergy climbing out of his corn flakes. The list goes on...No matter, the Church is indestructible or God's promises of protection is a lie.

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Michael Voris

Do you wish to discuss?
I'm a bit hesitant, but will when at my computer.
Right now I'm at a place in Lucca where many go on retreat with an acquaintance,,,,Monsignore Gianfranco.

 

[GodsGrace]

G.K. Chesterton once said that the best argument against Christianity is Christians. That is certainly true of Catholicism. Pope John Paul II, putting it politely, says, "The Catholic Church does not forget that many among her members cause God's plan to be discernible only with difficulty." (Ut Unum Sint, 11).

But is that really an argument against the truth of the faith? I don't see how. To argue that Catholicism is untrue because it doesn't transform the lives of those who don't practice it, is like arguing that aspirin doesn't work because it doesn't relieve the headaches of those who don't take it.

The Church only claims to announce the Good News of Jesus Christ, and it invites everyone to embrace the life of grace He offers. It does not claim that people who spurn its teachings and reject its life will be transformed into faithful disciples anyway. Nor does it claim that being born to Catholic parents guarantees that a person will inherit his parents' faith. If you want to see the fruit of the Catholic faith, you have to look at the people who are committed to the faith, who take it seriously and put it into practice every day.

It's pointless to look at those who are cultural Catholics only, who say they're Catholic if you ask them, but who don't try to live the life, even though they may go to Mass out of habit, or guilt, or whatever. People aren't magically transformed into good Christians just by walking into a Catholic church (even if they do it every week). Repentance and conversion of heart are the keys to the Christian life. Without them, everything else is sterile and false, whether one calls oneself "Catholic" or not.
read more here How Can Catholicism Be True When Catholics Are So Dead?

Wow.
I didn't say most of what you posted.
But can't reply right now.
Going to adoration and then 4pm vespers.

 

[RedFan]

As long as the Catholics did not write the Bible, I’m cool with that. I don’t care if they canonized it and placed it in the order it is in.

I'm surprised to hear you say you don't care that the Catholic Church canonized the Bible. You've got a collection of writings in that Book on your shelf which were chosen for inclusion by a Church you disrespect, with content decisions (e.g., the Letter of Barnabas is out, the Letter to the Hebrews is in) made by men who you think had their heads up their asses and didn't even know how to baptize correctly. Why doesn't that trouble you?

 

[Truther]

I'm surprised to hear you say you don't care that the Catholic Church canonized the Bible. You've got a collection of writings in that Book on your shelf which were chosen for inclusion by a Church you disrespect, with content decisions (e.g., the Letter of Barnabas is out, the Letter to the Hebrews is in) made by men who you think had their heads up their asses and didn't even know how to baptize correctly. Why doesn't that trouble you?

I don’t think the ancient Catholic Church was as crazy as the one we see today. This was a gradual failure. These men in the fourth century still had some type of conviction about the holy scriptures. What you’re seeing today is completely insane. Think about it.