The social gospel?

[GodsGrace]

This just confuses me

Gid said those born again will
Obey. You act out your faith

How can this be translated to necessary?

That makes it of works not grace

I know that you have a problem with this and so do others.
I can't convince you and that's not what I'm here for.

Let's put it this way:
WHATEVER the reason as to WHY you obey God....
the fact remains that He MUST be obeyed.

This is true only for believers....it's what Jesus taught,
I've offered many verses.

It's not a scary thing to state that we must obey God.
We do our best to obey, Jesus takes care of the rest when we fail.

But to speak as though obeying is not important is just not a very
Christianly thing to do.

 

[Ritajanice]

If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves

Why will people not listen to John. Do they think he was flawed?

You have no authority over Gods word.

Especially not knowing what it means to be Born Of God’s seed.

Your in ignorance still.

Plus no one said they were without sin..we’re all sinners..only we have now been Born Of God’s seed..freed from sin..by His Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

Born again our spirit is Born Again.

God sees no sin in his spirit child.

Can the Holy seed/ Spirit indwell a sinners spirit?

 

[Lizbeth]

Where does unkindness lead...do you think?

A "mob" mentality, perhaps?

Have you nothing to say for yourself......no reply to the comparison of your words which reveal your heart, versus the words of God which reveals His heart? (shaking my head) Do you not agree with God's word then?

Do you and your friend understand what it means to come together as a Body, from the scriptures? That what we are doing when we "gather" as a corporate body is presenting ourselves before the Lord like the example of the angels in the book of Job (God's will being done on earth as it is in heaven).....as we are His servants. This is to magnify the Lord and minister to Him, and just in this way to offer/present ourselves to Him. And He in turn ministers to His people. And then the body also edifies itself in love as the Head of the Body leads. (Two is just a minimum, with the Holy Spirit making up the third....why two can put ten thousand to flight).

Though as we are instructed in the word, we are not to gather with those who have fallen away, those who are living in gross sin, or who have only a form of godliness but deny the power, and there are those who we are not to even wish God speed or receive into our house, etc. So it's hard to find fellowship these days in the west.....false shepherds have caused the flock to scatter. Just the reality of the times and season we are living in right now. Many of us have had to leave churches and friends, and "go to Him outside the camp". ( God's arm is not too short and He is able to turn everything around for our spiritual good.)

 

[Lizbeth]

God made it perfectly clear that He doesn't want any man to know why He elected some onto salvation and left the rest in their sin. Election is Gods private business, if He wanted us to know how or why Hew Chose some He would have told us. Many struggle needlessly, trying to figure out why God hates some before they're even born. As in the case of "Esau have I hated" He said this before Esau was in his mother womb and lets not forget the estimated 2 billion men women children and unborn babies God killed with the flood.

God said He created some as vessels of honor and others to dishonor, the only hint God gave us regarding this harsh doctrine is, He created the wicked to show off His righteousness by punishing them in hell. We wouldn't know about Gods love, mercy and wrath, if didn't demonstrate His hatred of sin by punishing the evil doers. And we wouldn't know about Gods love without being forgiven and blessed with eternal paradise in heaven.

God commanded Pharaoh to let His people go, while hardening Pharaoh's at the same time to prevent him from releasing the people. Some would see this as unfairness on Gods part but we know everything God does is perfect and just. God did that so He can show of His Sovereign Power over the Kings of the earth.

We just have to trust that God is in full control over everything, including who is saved and who is left in their sin. I asked my pastor, how will I be happy in heaven if some of my family members are in hell. His answer was, that God would give me a new sinless mind and then I would see sin the same way He sees it and I would agree that God is perfectly just in everything He does.
It's not possible for us to understand Gods ways, while we are in this body of corruption and death. We still retain some of the old nature, with it's lusts and it does cries out to be fed.

Amen.....He is just and His judgment is righteous. He doesn't "owe" anyone eternal life, but grants it to some.

 

[Episkopos]

Have you nothing to say for yourself......no reply to the comparison of your words which reveal your heart, versus the words of God which reveals His heart? (shaking my head) Do you not agree with God's word then?

I both obey and understand them. A rarity is our time.

Do you and your friend understand what it means to come together as a Body, from the scriptures? That what we are doing when we "gather" as a corporate body is presenting ourselves before the Lord like the example of the angels in the book of Job (God's will being done on earth as it is in heaven).....as we are His servants.

Theoretically. But we are living in a time where people can't endure sound doctrine. Read the bible. We are living in a pretend time of imaginations. The Laodicean age of the church. So you think it's business as usual...comparing what the early church experienced with...whatever we should call this modern approach..

This is to magnify the Lord and minister to Him, and just in this way to offer/present ourselves to Him. And He in turn ministers to His people. And then the body also edifies itself in love as the Head of the Body leads. (Two is just a minimum, with the Holy Spirit making up the third....why two can put ten thousand to flight).

God has to accept the sacrifice...you are avoiding this. It is...take away the noise of your songs...for the most part. You continue to fail to see what God is looking for. Faith from the inner man towards a God who is real.

Though as we are instructed in the word, we are not to gather with those who have fallen away, those who are living in gross sin, or who have only a form of godliness but deny the power, and there are those who we are not to even wish God speed or receive into our house, etc. So it's hard to find fellowship these days in the west.

You are condemning yourself here...I think you are being elitist. ;) You agree with the mob...so you should have no trouble finding others of the same feather.

....false shepherds have caused the flock to scatter.

Where? You don't know this. Aren't they all in one Body?

Just the reality of the times and season we are living in right now. Many of us have had to leave churches and friends, and "go to Him outside the camp". ( God's arm is not too short and He is able to turn everything around for our spiritual good.)

You say that now...and you will say the opposite on your next post. How many people are you? Who is posting? One of, whoever you are, accuses me of elitism for saying such thing. I think you need to come to terms with yourselves before posting.

If you were to ask me why you go on the attack all the time...it's when you feel left out of the elitist camp you claim to be part of in your own estimation and imagination. What you haven't understood is that God chooses the humble and weak to pour His strength into. He resists the proud. So you have to take it up with Him and work out your own salvation (with fear and trembling). The saints are NOT an elite. Quite the opposite. The saints are worms....who are elevated into being like butterflies...as long as they continue to consider themselves as worms.

 

[Ritajanice]

As far as who is saved only God knows this.

As far as who is Born Again then saved from eternal damnation...you aren’t saved, not until our spirit is Born Again by divine/ visitation/ revelation.

 

[Episkopos]

As far as who is Born Again then saved from eternal damnation...you aren’t saved, not until our spirit is Born Again by divine/ visitation/ revelation.

Could you try posting without being so repetitive for no reason...without using the term "born again" in every sentence, let alone twice in the same sentence. That would be appreciated by me and probably a few others here. :)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You still haven’t explained how we

No..that is not how we are Born Again..you twist Gods word to say what you want it to say.

Nonsense...you have no idea what it means to be Born Of The Spirit.

Girl you need to back off. You keep misrepresenting what I say because you can not see

I did not say HOW I said when

If you can not differentiate the difference between how and when. All you will
Continue to do is make yourself look bad and I will not respond to foolishness

Stop bearing false witness because you can’t read

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Christian is not Born Again.

lol. Ok

That’s new to Me

While Ican call Myself a Christian and be deceived I am not a Christian if I am not born agai.

But thank you.

 

[Lizbeth]

Ok, now I see your issue. God has appointed Shepherds to lead and watch over His Sheep, but you reject Gods ways and go off on your own as a rouge sheep. Gods Word says that rouge sheep are a tasty meal for the hungry Lion, who roams around looking for rebellious rouge sheep.

I suspect you don't belong to the body of Christ by what you say, if your not a member of a local body of believers (Church) then your still outside of Christ. God gave us leaders and teachers because we are just Sheep, Sheep are quite dumb and venerable so we do need someone to protect us and teach us how to live.

If you think that a Sheep can simply read the Gospel and fluke the right interpretation, without relevant qualifications, then you believe that a street sweeper can perform brain surgery successfully. You have turned your back on the worlds greatest theologians and Bible scholars, and appointed yourself as the greatest of all. This is what every cult leader and self deluded expert does.

Can you please post the scriptures about rogue sheep? I'm not familiar with them and would like to see what they are saying.

Babes and children in the faith are normally only taught the fundamentals (milk of the word) until they grow and mature and themselves become teachers....as Paul admonished some "by now you ought to be teachers." God says this in His word:

Isa 28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

And as the bible also teaches we are not to gather and have fellowship with those who we know who are false. There are so many who are false these days who have wandered off the right path of the true gospel. And even aside from false doctrine, the vast majority of churches are not adhering to the simplicity of Christ and do not believe in and allow the various parts of the Body to grow and exercise their spiritual senses.

In the absence of true shepherds many believers are on our own with the Lord and what He does is grow us up in ways we never could have done in the churches in their present state. There is this:

1Jo 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

I have found the Lord to be a true and faithful Shepherd of my soul, leading and guiding and correcting and protecting as needed. As a dumb sheep I sure do need Him!

Havent' been able to follow this thread very closely at all, but I see by this post that you lean on tradition...?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I know that you have a problem with this and so do others.
I can't convince you and that's not what I'm here for.

Let's put it this way:
WHATEVER the reason as to WHY you obey God....
the fact remains that He MUST be obeyed.

It still does not make sense. It almost like Rita who says how and when are the same

If I WILL obey. Where does must come into the picture? If I WILl obey because it’s my new nature then must falls out of the picture. Unless you’re saying it is required to be saved. In which case we are back under ow

That’s why I question those who say we must it makes no sense

This is true only for believers....it's what Jesus taught,
I've offered many verses.

True believers WILL obey. So why do you say they must.

Since they will obey the must us cancelled out

It's not a scary thing to state that we must obey God.

It is if your teaching it is required to be saved. Because the onus is off Christ and on you. How good is good enough? What amount of obedience gets me in and how
Much disobedience causes me to drop out. How can one have rest if they always have to focus on being good. And can’t just focus on living others?

We do our best to obey, Jesus takes care of the rest when we fail.

Our best is not good enough. If it was Jesus would have remained in heaven. Why suffer what he suffered if we could just do our best

But to speak as though obeying is not important is just not a very
Christianly thing to do.

I never said it was not important. Please do not misrepresent me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You have no authority over Gods word.

Neither do you

I just posted Gods word. You can do whatever you want with it. But do t contradict it

Especially not knowing what it means to be Born Of God’s seed.

Your in ignorance still.

Plus no one said they were without sin..we’re all sinners..only we have now been Born Of God’s seed..freed from sin..by His Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

Born again our spirit is Born Again.

God sees no sin in his spirit child.

Can the Holy seed/ Spirit indwell a sinners spirit?

Good God just shaking my head.

If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and there is no truth in us

You say you have no sin. So just listen to John he told you about yourself

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen.....He is just and His judgment is righteous. He doesn't "owe" anyone eternal life, but grants it to some.

Yet God tells us. So to say God is hiding it as the Calvinist says is false 100 times over

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As far as who is Born Again then saved from eternal damnation...you aren’t saved, not until our spirit is Born Again by divine/ visitation/ revelation.

Whoever is born again is saved

Once you realize this. That it is by grace we have been saved through faith

I think you will open up and see

 

[Ritajanice]

Girl you need to back off. You keep misrepresenting what I say because you can not see

I did not say HOW I said when

If you can not differentiate the difference between how and when. All you will
Continue to do is make yourself look bad and I will not respond to foolishness

Stop bearing false witness because you can’t read

No I don’t.

My opinion....by the way, stop playing the silly emotions card, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ....emotional manipulation doesn’t cut it...that’s where you need to back off..you play the same card with Epi and all those who don’t agree with you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Whoever is born again is saved

Once you realize this. That it is by grace we have been saved through faith

I think you will open up and see

Whoever is Born Again by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit is saved.

Faith is a gift from God...you wouldn’t know he existed if your spirit wasn’t Born Again by Gods seed, by His Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

Let’s hope God opens your heart/ spirit to see/ hear.

 

[Ritajanice]

Could you try posting without being so repetitive for no reason...without using the term "born again" in every sentence, let alone twice in the same sentence. That would be appreciated by me and probably a few others here. :)

I will use Born Again as I’m led to by the Spirit.

It’s fundamental to who we are in Christ.

So I ask you not to play it down!

Without being Born Again we are nothing!

I ask you also not to complicate Gods word from your own understanding..most of it isn’t biblical.

Your in your own story telling land imo.

 

[Lizbeth]

I both obey and understand them. A rarity is our time.

Theoretically. But we are living in a time where people can't endure sound doctrine. Read the bible. We are living in a pretend time of imaginations. The Laodicean age of the church. So you think it's business as usual...comparing what the early church experienced with...whatever we should call this modern approach..


God has to accept the sacrifice...you are avoiding this. It is...take away the noise of your songs...for the most part. You continue to fail to see what God is looking for. Faith from the inner man towards a God who is real.


You are condemning yourself here...I think you are being elitist. ;) You agree with the mob...so you should have no trouble finding others of the same feather.


Where? You don't know this. Aren't they all in one Body?

You say that now...and you will say the opposite on your next post. How many people are you? Who is posting? One of, whoever you are, accuses me of elitism for saying such thing. I think you need to come to terms with yourselves before posting.

If you were to ask me why you go on the attack all the time...it's when you feel left out of the elitist camp you claim to be part of in your own estimation and imagination. What you haven't understood is that God chooses the humble and weak to pour His strength into. He resists the proud. So you have to take it up with Him and work out your own salvation (with fear and trembling). The saints are NOT an elite. Quite the opposite. The saints are worms....who are elevated into being like butterflies...as long as they continue to consider themselves as worms.

The problem is that you assume and accuse and consider that those who have not been "elevated to sainthood" are all false pretenders and insincere and walking in sin when that is not the case. And you have a carnal compartmentalized way of looking at things, which denies so many scriptures.

So much mixture and confusion with things. I'm quite done talking with you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Never tell me as a Born Again to play it down @Episkopos ..I’m a spirit child of God...my question to you is...do you understand what it means even?

It’s imperative that our spirit is Born Again ?

It’s like you’re asking me to give up my birth right in Christ....NO CHANCE!!

I’m Born Again by the Living Spirit Of God....are you?

 

[Ritajanice]

The problem is that you assume and accuse and consider that those who have not been "elevated to sainthood" are all false pretenders and insincere and walking in sin when that is not the case. And you have a carnal compartmentalized way of looking at things, which denies so many scriptures.

So much mixture and confusion with things. I'm quite done talking with you.

We are made saints when we are Born Again, seated with Jesus in Gods Kingdom.