Carl Emerson
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I asked GPT who its authors are - the response was 'forbidden to tell you'
So not only moral brainwashing, but anonymous to boot !
Is anyone else a Seer?
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I asked GPT who its authors are - the response was 'forbidden to tell you'
So not only moral brainwashing, but anonymous to boot !
I'm more interested in Gregory A. Boyd than Sanders. I glanced at your clip and don't see a controversy concerning sanders. Both he and Boyd are suggesting that God does not know the future. Is that the controversy?
God At War: The Bible And Spiritual Conflict
by Gregory A Boyd
Carl Emerson
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@Wrangler seems upset with me because he's 100 percent convinced that he saw into the future and I don't believe him. Well, now you see my point. When I said nobody sees into the future I meant nobody and that included God. If everything in the universe is already set? Then the conversation God has with humans is more like that between a ventriloquist and the dummy. Such a dialogue is merely a sophisticated form of talking to oneself.
If what God has foreseen is the entire human history at once, then the difficulty is to somehow allow for God's intervention into that history. This raises a serious problem. Does simple foreknowledge imply that God knows in advance His own decisions and actions? If God possesses foreknowledge of His own actions, then the problem is to explain how the foreknowledge can be the basis for the actions when it already includes the actions.
Would it then be impossible that God should use foreknowledge derived from the actual occurrence of future events to determine His own prior actions in the governance of the world? Such a God would then know what He is going to do before deciding what to do. Thus, He would be unable to plan, anticipate, or decide. He would simply know. This seems to call the divine freedom into question, making God a prisoner of His own ability to know what's going on everywhere in the universe at every moment. And if God sees history "all at once" and His actions were not foreseen, then God never foresees any prophets making predictions given by Him.
Haha. So most Christians would use the bible to find out what God says about things. What does God say through the bible about AI?
And if the bible doesn't shed any light on a topic, a situation etc then what confidence does the follower of Jesus have when attempting to discern God's will concerning them?
So we would believe God knows all the answers AI doesn't. How do we access these answers from God?
Also, chat wrote this :
I can understand why you don't though. You said you haven't read it in years.
Sorry. I don't understand your question unless you are saying that since the Bible doesn't have all of the answers, we just go by talking to God. God answers us, but we are also to read the Bible. I would think, if AI were trying to palm some religious thing on us, that the Bible answers that with "to the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this light it is because there is no light in them' I think the Bible guides us between truth and falsehood.
I can understand why you don't though. You said you haven't read it in years.
Carl Emerson
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Carl Emerson
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Good one. But how does one test what someone has heard the Spirit say to them?
Behold
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I have no revelation from Him about AI that i can share with you.
What we know, is that evil people will always find a way to ruin all that is good, or try to interfere with what could become good.
Evil only wants more of it, and that is why people sin., and love it.
So, if there is a way to use AI so that it can harm, cheat, steal, and destroy, then you can bet that some are "already working on that", and they are being financed by really evil people.
Hillsage
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My experience is this; When driving down a road I can look at things close and also far away to oblivion. What I think I'm seeing close is more accurate than the things farther down the road in time.
How does one "test" their accuracy? You quit looking through the windshield and start looking in the rear view mirror. Hearing the voice of God better in the future simply takes time.....a lifetime of rear view comparison. :)
His 'word' to me on AI is this; there was "GOOD", on the tree of "GOOD and EVIL". But it was still the 'tree of death'. But every 'word' from God has 3 qualifiers. 1 it must be heard correctly, 2 it must be interpreted correctly, and 3 it must be applied correctly.
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Wrangler
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Why does it have to be God in control of everything when the whole world from every culture since the beginning of man has spoken about gods, angels, demons, and Satan? Even the Buddha speak about the realm of angry spirits. This the invisible society of spirits do seem to be behind much that occurs in the physical world. We are often told that people suffer because they deserve it. And we seem to be able to go into great explanations expressing a confidence in God's absolute sovereignty, defined here as control, that seems to provide many believers with a great deal of security. We teach in our churches that everything is under God's control, and thereby everything is proceeding as divinely planned, and that somehow it all fits together. This concept did not attain the status of a universal explanation for evil until years after a man was born on the planet who was called Augustine.
This concept of God being in control of both good and evil is why we often consider a secret "divine blueprint" behind everything that is both good and evil being somehow an extension of God's good (but very mysterious) will. This is the biggest reason why we have trouble accepting the truth concerning the good and evil of the world we experience. A murder is more real to us than devils because the churches do not teach that the world we live in is involved in a state of war that is spiritual.
The origin of evil among the cosmic powers is much like the origin of evil among human beings. And this is why the Jews saw no need to investigate the matter further (even if such an investigation were possible). The Jews knew only that both cosmic powers and humans were free to choose to obey or to disobey and that it was not God's fault if either of them disobeyed. Those who lived at the time of the first century (when the New Testament Scriptures were first starting to be spoken) had always thought of the problem of evil in the context of spiritual warfare. They understood the world was caught up in a cosmic battle and thus is saturated with horrifying suffering and evil. No one prior to Augustine, suspected that above this freely generated warfare there existed an even more fundamental explanation whereby an all-good and all-determination blueprint existed in the mind and will of God.
Wrangler
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Not relevant to the fact that God gave me a vision, a prophecy and told me to tell my doctor to alter his missionary trip to Haiti.
For God to be able to see into the future to show it to you would require Him to be in control of everything... both good and evil.
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