The social gospel?

[Episkopos]

It's funny how many ways there are to deviate from the truth. It's like a field full of arrows with nary a one on the target. Arrows in trees, stuck in the grass...on the side of buildings....through windows...etc.

Sin in its basic form means to miss the mark. And that's when we are actually trying to believe or do what is right. There are more worldly sins (transgressions) AND religiously certain sins (iniquity) also. So it is possible to not only sin...but double up on sin.,.by adding sin (missing the mark) to sin (claiming a false covering).

For the believer...where is our foundation? Within ourselves? No, it is in Christ. To be WHERE He is. "That where I am, you may be also"... To deny that we can enter into His covering (Put on Christ) is to take on another covering that is NOT of God's Spirit...adding sin to sin. (Is. 30:1)

The influence of Buddhism on Christianity has the truth being within a person. But the truth is OUTSIDE of us in the Person of Christ. Enter into Him as a narrow gate and walk IN Him as a narrow path.

What of all the talk of "going to heaven"? That is from the influence of Islam. In Islam there is an after life of heaven and hell. In Christianity there is heaven and earth as locations not destinations....at least not as an afterlife. For the follower of Christ heaven is right now...the kingdom of heaven we are commanded to seek first. To not seek is to break the covenant...or to not even enter into it.

And these are the easier errors to correct. Others are even worse...like false imputation...amnesty from prosecution from sin... etc

 

[GTW27]

"The influence of Buddhism on Christianity has the truth being within a person. But the truth is OUTSIDE of us in the Person of Christ. Enter into Him as a narrow gate and walk IN Him as a narrow path."

 

[Lizbeth]

Actually you only see part of the truth..and assume you know where I'm "off"...not catering to you "foundation" which you admit is in yourself. You rail at me for saying that the foundation is in Christ...alone. To build WHERE HE IS. Where your treasure is there is your heart. And that was not inside a person.

So in your opinion I'm off because I don't recognize your foundation???


exactly...but balance is. An unjust balance is abomination with God. The word for "balance" in the scriptures in Moznayim...meaning "FROM ears". So God is expressing how we should hear with BOTH ears...the divine balance of both righteousness AND holiness.


Yes. And it is HIS faithfulness that sends you His servants to correct your path. Will you listen?

Will you?

Unfortunately you don't bring balance......you bring a compartmentalized version of the carnal mind which causes you to deny one side of the scale, so to speak.

 

[Episkopos]

Will you?

Are you claiming to be sent by God to correct my "foundation"...to turn inward rather than heavenward?

Unfortunately you don't bring balance......you bring a compartmentalized version of the carnal mind which causes you to deny one side of the scale, so to speak.

I know how the carnal mind works..but no compartmentalizing of a carnal mind leads to the kingdom life of God. The balance is in both the mercy and judgment of God. It's in the goodness and severity. It's in the blessing and cursing. It's in making us both vessels of honour and dishonour.

Novice believers have no inkling of these things...preferring a simple milky message where all works out in the end.

But there are forces at work that the novice knows nothing about. The buying and trading of souls...that God allows when we turn from a full reliance on Him. You seem totally unaware of spiritual things. So I try to instruct and correct you. But you have such obstinacy. Of course I expect that! ;)

There is a way that seems right to a woman.... a certain lady... but that's not how God thinks.

 

[Lizbeth]

Are you claiming to be sent by God to correct my "foundation"...to turn inward rather than heavenward?

I know how the carnal mind works..but no compartmentalizing of a carnal mind leads to the kingdom life of God. The balance is in both the mercy and judgment of God. It's in the goodness and severity. It's in the blessing and cursing. It's in making us both vessels of honour and dishonour.

Novice believers have no inkling of these things...preferring a simple milky message where all works out in the end.

But there are forces at work that the novice knows nothing about. The buying and trading of souls...that God allows when we turn from a full reliance on Him. You seem totally unaware of spiritual things. So I try to instruct and correct you. But you have such obstinacy. Of course I expect that! ;)

There is a way that seems right to a woman.... a certain lady... but that's not how God thinks.

There are many voices here who have been trying to correct your doctrine Epi. Are you obstinate?

 

[Episkopos]

There are many voices here who have been trying to correct your doctrine Epi. Are you obstinate?

LOL. Is it obstinacy or tenacity? There are many voices that come to us as believers trying to seduce us away from the truth...that is true. Just like Ulysses had his sirens...so we have deceiving spirits tempting us to "go with the flow"...make friends and influence people... live your best life now. etc

But Jesus says..."My sheep HEAR My voice, and I know them and they follow Me." Maybe I'm just too devoted to Christ to consider anything else. From any other perspective, I am a lost cause, I suppose.

I notice that you are not commenting anymore on the thread.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you claiming to be sent by God to correct my "foundation"...to turn inward rather than heavenward?

well it would not be hard to do. You already point inward. She Is tryign to get you to look upward though

I know how the carnal mind works..but no compartmentalizing of a carnal mind leads to the kingdom life of God. The balance is in both the mercy and judgment of God. It's in the goodness and severity. It's in the blessing and cursing. It's in making us both vessels of honour and dishonour.

Novice believers have no inkling of these things...preferring a simple milky message where all works out in the end.

\So are you a novice believer?

But there are forces at work that the novice knows nothing about. The buying and trading of souls...that God allows when we turn from a full reliance on Him. You seem totally unaware of spiritual things. So I try to instruct and correct you. But you have such obstinacy. Of course I expect that! ;)

There is a way that seems right to a woman.... a certain lady... but that's not how God thinks.

lol.. Well your way is not right.. thats for sure. it does not even seem right.. anyone can look and if they are open see it points directly to self.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There are many voices here who have been trying to correct your doctrine Epi. Are you obstinate?

lol, we have done it in many chatrooms and many threads.. Most of which he is not even allowed to return to anymore.. Just the few left in this chatroom.

I doubt after all that, he will listen now. But we can pray.

 

[Episkopos]

well it would not be hard to do. You already point inward. She Is tryign to get you to look upward though

\So are you a novice believer?

lol.. Well your way is not right.. thats for sure. it does not even seem right.. anyone can look and if they are open see it points directly to self.

I suppose my efforts here are like trying to teach advanced physics to kids playing in a puddle and all they want to do is splash mud on your treatise. It does make for an interesting plot...if it is a kids movie.

 

[Christian Soldier]

yet we see thousands of people in scripture who came.

Sure they did, but they weren't dead as you claim they were, you should make an effort to be consistent if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Lol

there is one gospel That saves

For God so loved the world. He gave his only begotten son, that whoever BELIEVES (trust) in Him will NEVER PERISH, but will live forever (eternal life)

eternal security is with God. The person you just liked and agreed with rejects eternal security. but as they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

lol too funny, you can’t make this stuff up

I have no idea why you quoted John 3:16 That verse is abused by all heretics and false prophets, they twist it's meaning to push a false Demonic gospel. You provided no interpretation or application for the verse, you simply cited it an a pitiful attempt to gain some fictitious higher ground to prove that you're "holier than thou" quite sad really.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I didn't say that. The truth can indeed be known, but not by the majority....never by the majority. Pride is in the way. Jesus says...you will know the truth and truth will set you free." That alone should change your attitude.....or will you stiffen your neck like so many here? Allow some humility into your process.


Paul says..we have the mind of Christ.....who IS God.


And we are to walk IN Him.




Jesus spoke that from a holiness perspective...just like...there is none righteous no not one...and then he talks about righteous people.

What people can't understand is the dual nature of a spiritual walk.


You are missing the point, the same as those whom you are trying to correct. So you are in a closet still feeling around for the door.


Both have truth in it. There is a higher walk according to God's purpose. And there is a lower walk that depends on what we do.


Carnal people squabble over theories. But a disciple KNOWS GOD for real. God is a Genius of course, so that the answers are all there...but people are WAY too stubborn, and blind, and deaf, to hear any of it. It all sounds like ego....to the ego.


No peace between the spiritual and the carnal..unless the carnal humble themselves and repent.

And Jesus also prayed that we would all be one. And we are when we enter INTO Him....to experience the same eternal life.

As long as people remain in the futility of their own minds and imaginations...there will be war...based on self-interest, self-preservation.

After so many years of futility, VERY VERY few have come out of the woods so to speak.

Because men are rebellious by nature and can't abide sound doctrine. So let them endlessly squabble in a flesh-loop. And let them give accolades for championing one falsehood over another.

You still don't get it, the truth is NOT A THING. The truth is God Himself. He is either ion you or He is not, you make it sound like some sort of treasure hunt, where only the wise guys find the truth and the ordinary folks are condemned to hell.

Having the mind of Christ doesn't apply here. We're talking about the truth, who is God, we don't poses God, He possesses us if we are His elect. Those who have the mind of Christ are born again believers, they are indwelt by the Holy Spirt who guides them to do do the will of God, which is to have the mind of Christ. He also did the will of His Father.

To know the "truth" is to know God and that's impossible because He is to big to fit into our puny little minds, so all we know about Him is what He revealed to us in the Bible and nothing more. If you claim to know more than the Bible revealed then your either making it up, or you've been deceived into believing a Demonic doctrine.

Jesus never taught two different gospel messages, yes he did have two natures but He only preached one message. I think you misunderstood what the Bible said about righteousness. The message is that nobody is born with a desire to know the truth, we are all born enemies of God and we will continue to hate Him forever, unless He regenerates us and saves us from our fallen state.

The natural man does not seek God at all, because he is a slave to sin and Satan, so the Bible says there are none righteous until they have been justified, and they are not justified by their own righteousness but it's Christ's righteousness that is imputed onto them.

I can't address every single point you made as there's not enough space, it would be better if you broke them down into smaller posts.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Thank you. I plan to do a deep dive on both

I would like to share this short summary outlining the core differences between the two gospels.

The split came in the 1500's when the Reformers challenged the authority of the Pope of Rome, by claiming that the Bible should be the final authority over the Church instead of the Pope.

http://heavenslight.org/wp-content/...vinism_and_Arminianism_TULIP_Chart_1_2007.pdf

 

[Episkopos]

You still don't get it, the truth is NOT A THING. The truth is God Himself. He is either ion you or He is not, you make it sound like some sort of treasure hunt, where only the wise guys find the truth and the ordinary folks are condemned to hell.

You have not understood anything I said. And your comments are like a dog chasing its own tail Why didn't you mention Pelagius or global warming?

And you seem obsessed with your own lack of relationship with God. The "ordinary folk" obey God as they can...through hospitality, kindness, service, mercy, selfless acts....etc. God accepts those who do righteousness and fear Him.

Having the mind of Christ doesn't apply here. We're talking about the truth, who is God, we don't poses God, He possesses us if we are His elect. Those who have the mind of Christ are born again believers,

You just contradicted yourself as you chased your tail one more time. And neither statement is true.

they are indwelt by the Holy Spirt who guides them to do do the will of God, which is to have the mind of Christ. He also did the will of His Father.

I don't think you know what you are talking about...just letting off a little steam it seems.

To know the "truth" is to know God and that's impossible because He is to big to fit into our puny little minds,

This is easily refuted as you have ignored my correction...which is normal for those who are unable to pay attention.

so all we know about Him is what He revealed to us in the Bible and nothing more.

Ah...that is your true stance...agnosticism.

If you claim to know more than the Bible revealed then your either making it up, or you've been deceived into believing a Demonic doctrine.

This is itself a lie from the nether regions. Your formula is just unbelief.

Jesus never taught two different gospel messages, yes he did have two natures but He only preached one message. I think you misunderstood what the Bible said about righteousness. The message is that nobody is born with a desire to know the truth, we are all born enemies of God and we will continue to hate Him forever, unless He regenerates us and saves us from our fallen state.

You have misunderstood the bible. There is one gospel but two standards. Just like there is One Spirit in two Persons for God.

The natural man does not seek God at all, because he is a slave to sin and Satan, so the Bible says there are none righteous until they have been justified, and they are not justified by their own righteousness

The standard for the common man is to love others as himself...James calls this the royal law. That is the standard of judgment for the world.

but it's Christ's righteousness that is imputed onto them.

That is another lie. No one is as righteous as God or His Son. I could explain the higher righteousness to you, but you can't pay that much attention.

I can't address every single point you made as there's not enough space, it would be better if you broke them down into smaller posts.

I prefer you go and learn something that has some value rather than commenting without knowledge. You need to take it step by step. Learn the basics first.

 

[Lizbeth]

Jesus never taught two different gospel messages, yes he did have two natures but He only preached one message. I think you misunderstood what the Bible said about righteousness. The message is that nobody is born with a desire to know the truth, we are all born enemies of God and we will continue to hate Him forever, unless He regenerates us and saves us from our fallen state.

Just ignore the man behind the curtain blowing smoke with an insufferable attitude. Amen, there is only one gospel, and Epi compartmentalizes things.

But I suspect we do similar in trying to understand election......maybe we need to think in terms of a two sided coin in a way. Just want to point out this verse:

Act 17:26-27

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us

I believe God answers a heart that is seeking Him, feeling after Him......"Seek and you will find...."

The bible also mentions in Romans 1 that what may be known of God is seen in creation so that men are without excuse.

 

[Episkopos]

Just ignore the man behind the curtain blowing smoke with an insufferable attitude. Amen, there is only one gospel, and Epi compartmentalizes things.

But I suspect we do similar in trying to understand election......maybe we need to think in terms of a two sided coin in a way. Just want to point out this verse:

LOL I think you are right about being insufferable...as you display yourself. Look at how you not only twist my words...but then say the same thing to justify your own errant views. Without any honesty at all.

A two-sided coin? A gospel with two sides? A law with two levels? Exactly what I teach...as the bible teaches...which you can't hear or read.

There is ONE GOSPEL...on 2 levels. There is ONE TORAH with 2 main commandments on 2 TABLETS...a DOUBLE EDGED SWORD. etc. All you need to do is be able to count to two. Two in one. One in two.

Can you understand that? Can you do this? I don't see that you can.

The ignorance you display is astounding. ...and can only be attributed to an unwillingness to hear the truth.

But I know you are just playing a role in this forum...with a false name of course. :)

 

[Episkopos]

There's not much that can happen when there is a willful ignorance and hostility towards any effort at trying to dispel the vagueness that allows the enemy to steal away the truth from people. People don't realize who they are really working for. Forgive them Father they know not what they do.

And the only witness to non-believers that read these threads is that the truth will be resisted the most by the those who claim a false gospel of naming and claiming, and assuming and presuming. Don't believe the lies.

That's the lesson.

God gives grace to the humble..not to those who nurse a religious certainty based on pride and hubris. God loves the meek.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sure they did, but they weren't dead as you claim they were, you should make an effort to be consistent if you want to be taken seriously.

They were dead

If they were not dead they had no separation and would not need to Come they already arrived.

But it is obvious you are stuck and nothing will change. I will Leave you be and continue to laugh as you call me an Arminian and @GodsGrace calls me a calvinist

Maybe you two Can argue since you speak each others language and the rest of us can have some meaningful conversation not calling other people things they are not because they actually listen to them even when they disagree

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I would like to share this short summary outlining the core differences between the two gospels.

The split came in the 1500's when the Reformers challenged the authority of the Pope of Rome, by claiming that the Bible should be the final authority over the Church instead of the Pope.

http://heavenslight.org/wp-content/...vinism_and_Arminianism_TULIP_Chart_1_2007.pdf

I think we are better off going to the gospels and reading through the nt

Paul tells us not to be followers if
Men. Sadly as we see we have alot of men followers her (Calvin,Arminian,the pope etc etc)

Let the reader see.

 

[GodsGrace]

They were dead

If they were not dead they had no separation and would not need to Come they already arrived.

But it is obvious you are stuck and nothing will change. I will Leave you be and continue to laugh as you call me an Arminian and @GodsGrace calls me a calvinist

Maybe you two Can argue since you speak each others language and the rest of us can have some meaningful conversation not calling other people things they are not because they actually listen to them even when they disagree

Don't put words in my mouth EG.
I never called you a Calvinist.
I said you were expousing calvinist theology.

There's a difference.
I know you're not a calvinist.

So don't speak like one?!