What is the purpose of infant baptism?

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The name of the Son is Jesus.
His title is Emmanuel.
He is the Son of God.
The 2nd Person of the Trinity/Godhead.

OK
Where's my like!!
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OK, I want to ask you to say these words… “The name of the son per Matthew 28:19 is Jesus.”

Not just the name of the son is Jesus but specifically say” the name of the son per Matthew 28:19 is Jesus”.

You will get a bonus like.
 

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Here is what Paul said about men who we call church fathers that would be preceding him.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

You guys are just quoting the Wolfpack.
Listen Truther, I'm not like Bread...he has the patience of a saint and I don't.

The CC SAVED THE EARLY CHURCH FROM THE WOLFPACK.

That's not screaming....that's emphasis.

If you don't know that, you REALLY need to learn some history.
And I'm being honest.
I learned a lot from the Early Fathers (pre 325AD)

Try to get a book by David Bercot. Sold on Amazon. Easiest way to start.
Then you work your way up to the collection which costs about a thou.
No need however, it's on the net.

A DICTIONARY OF EARLY CHRISTIAN BELIEFS.

And, you don't answer my questions, so this will end soon.

HOW do you know the resurrection happened?
 

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I asked you first!
LOL

(by WE,, I mean you and I,,,,the church,,,,Christianity, etc).
I don’t have that stuff in my house. I’m sure you don’t either. What you have is the Internet pumping it into your house. It might be artificial intelligence for all you know. I don’t look at any historical documents as perfectly accurate. There are lies filling all of history. Historians are known liars. as a matter of fact, the losers don’t get to write history but only the winners. The Catholic Church beat up the ancient apostolic Church of the first century. Guess who got to write the history?
 

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OK, I want to ask you to say these words… “The name of the son per Matthew 28:19 is Jesus.”

Not just the name of the son is Jesus but specifically say” the name of the son per Matthew 28:19 is Jesus”.

You will get a bonus like.
Will you then answer my question about how you know the resurrection happened?

THE NAME OF THE SON PER MATTHEW 28:19 IS JESUS.

I so deserve a lot of likes!!!!
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Listen Truther, I'm not like Bread...he has the patience of a saint and I don't.

The CC SAVED THE EARLY CHURCH FROM THE WOLFPACK.

That's not screaming....that's emphasis.

If you don't know that, you REALLY need to learn some history.
And I'm being honest.
I learned a lot from the Early Fathers (pre 325AD)

Try to get a book by David Bercot. Sold on Amazon. Easiest way to start.
Then you work your way up to the collection which costs about a thou.
No need however, it's on the net.

A DICTIONARY OF EARLY CHRISTIAN BELIEFS.

And, you don't answer my questions, so this will end soon.

HOW do you know the resurrection happened?
The RCC is the Wolfpack. They’re dictating to you everything between your ears. They have you arguing over things that you read on the Internet. If you became like Martin Luther and like I had to become after about 30 years of commentary, you would become sola scriptura also.
 

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I don’t have that stuff in my house. I’m sure you don’t either. What you have is the Internet pumping it into your house. It might be artificial intelligence for all you know. I don’t look at any historical documents as perfectly accurate. There are lies filling all of history. Historians are known liars. as a matter of fact, the losers don’t get to write history but only the winners. The Catholic Church beat up the ancient apostolic Church of the first century. Guess who got to write the history?
Oh yeah.
This whole conversation belongs in Conspiracy Theories.
I know what you're talking about....
BUT YOU NEED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION!
 

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Will you then answer my question about how you know the resurrection happened?

THE NAME OF THE SON PER MATTHEW 28:19 IS JESUS.

I so deserve a lot of likes!!!!
:cool:
Like, like, like, like, like,……. You are awesome. You have just broke the mold and you have split heaven wide-open with your confession that Jesus is the son per Matthew 28:19. Awesome post.
 

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Oh yeah.
This whole conversation belongs in Conspiracy Theories.
I know what you're talking about....
BUT YOU NEED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION!
Lol… I forgot the original question. Sorry about that. Please ask?
 
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I went back and read it. I told you the answer. I know the resurrection happened by the Bible. If you really want to know how I personally believe the resurrection happened was when I received the Holy Ghost. now I know Jesus is alive for sure.
 

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The RCC is the Wolfpack. They’re dictating to you everything between your ears. They have you arguing over things that you read on the Internet. If you became like Martin Luther and like I had to become after about 30 years of commentary, you would become sola scriptura also.
My dear young man, when I was studying, there WAS NO INTERNET.
I left the CC many a year ago.
I also don't care for Protestantism after MANY years of studying 3 denomnations and I'll even tell you why.

BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

DEBATING God's Word.

This is impossible nonsense.

Either God inspired a book that IS TRUTH....
OR
There is NO TRUTH.

Think about that.
 

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Another point, those that were involved in the preservation and the canonization of the Bible we’re not the writers of it. I’m OK with them, compiling it and putting it together in order but their opinions of it differed… if they wrote their opinions at all about it.
 

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I went back and read it. I told you the answer. I know the resurrection happened by the Bible. If you really want to know how I personally believe the resurrection happened was when I received the Holy Ghost. now I know Jesus is alive for sure.
Why the bible?
Who wrote the resurrection history?
How do we know they were telling the truth?
Who assembled the NT?
How do we know we can trust them?
I THINK IT WAS THE CC!!

Now what?
Do we just chuck it all?
 

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My dear young man, when I was studying, there WAS NO INTERNET.
I left the CC many a year ago.
I also don't care for Protestantism after MANY years of studying 3 denomnations and I'll even tell you why.

BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

DEBATING God's Word.

This is impossible nonsense.

Either God inspired a book that IS TRUTH....
OR
There is NO TRUTH.

Think about that.
I think we’re debating early church father commentary. I see very few scriptures being argued about here. It would be kind of nice if we went back to arguing scriptures only and not saying this old man said this and this old man said that… Lol.
 

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Another point, those that were involved in the preservation and the canonization of the Bible we’re not the writers of it. I’m OK with them, compiling it and putting it together in order but their opinions of it differed… if they wrote their opinions at all about it.
Never said they were the writers.
We agree on something.

You make it seem like Christianity is a conspiracy theory.
You really should stop doing this...it brings no honor to God.
 

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Why the bible?
Who wrote the resurrection history?
How do we know they were telling the truth?
Who assembled the NT?
How do we know we can trust them?
I THINK IT WAS THE CC!!

Now what?
Do we just chuck it all?
The Catholic Church didn’t write the scriptures. They came in the fourth century. The direct disciples wrote them.
 

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Never said they were the writers.
We agree on something.

You make it seem like Christianity is a conspiracy theory.
You really should stop doing this...it brings no honor to God.
The scripture is the only thing we can rely on for accuracy. Everybody surrounding the scripture is fighting over what they think it means. You would be shocked to actually read it and take it literally and use the Bible alone as your source and abandon all commentary. You would feel naked at first, but after a while, you would see things completely different than you see him in the Bible. It may even create a meltdown at first, but it will transform your thinking like you’ve never imagined. It even pulled me out
 

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I think we’re debating early church father commentary. I see very few scriptures being argued about here. It would be kind of nice if we went back to arguing scriptures only and not saying this old man said this and this old man said that… Lol.
My point exactly Truther:
We DEBATE the scriptures.
We shouldn't be debating scripture....
We all should understand the same verses in the same way.

Think about this:
JUDAISM
ISLAM
CHRISTIANITY

The 3 major religions in the world.
Which one debates their "book"?

And did I get all my likes from you?
 

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My point exactly Truther:
We DEBATE the scriptures.
We shouldn't be debating scripture....
We all should understand the same verses in the same way.

Think about this:
JUDAISM
ISLAM
CHRISTIANITY

The 3 major religions in the world.
Which one debates their "book"?

And did I get all my likes from you?
The Roman Catholic Church is a mixture of Christianity, Judaism and paganism. This is why they can’t be trusted. They got their hands in all of the cookie jars.
 

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The Catholic Church didn’t write the scriptures. They came in the fourth century. The direct disciples wrote them.
What happened between the disciples and the 4th century?
I see you DO know some history.....

If you go backwards in history, there was only one church while the Apostles were still alive and preaching/teaching.
Peter was one of them.
He wasn't the first Pope,,,but he WAS in Rome and he was an Apostle, and there were those that came after him.
And Jesus gave HIM the keys....I think you know that keys represent authority.

You could dislike the CC...it teaches some stuff that is not biblical - although they think it is.
But you should not let that stop you from knowing the history of the Christian church.