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Should people have freedom of association, or should there be laws that enforce the opposite based on race, gender, and alternative sexuality pursuits??
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Should people have freedom of association, or should there be laws that enforce the opposite based on race, gender, and alternative sexuality pursuits??
"This picture" should also ask "Do you gossip?" "Do you lie?" "Do you covet." "Do you fail to love your fellow man?"
Indeed. - LOL
--- Parody ---
Conversation between Christian protester and doughnut shop patron. (customer)
Patron: What are doing picketing a donut shop?
Protester: I'm protesting the sin of gluttony.
Patron: Why on earth would you do that?
Protester: Gluttony is a sin, this has to stop.
Patron: Not everyone who buys a donut is a glutton.
Protester: We can't say that for sure.
Patron: Don't you have gluttony at your church?
Protester: No, we kicked them all out, unless they would repent.
Patron: Wow, for eating donuts?
Protester: No, gluttony takes many forms.
Patron: Right, like a church pot-luck dinner?
Protester: Exactly, they are banned at our church.
Patron: Did you know that some people are born with
weight-gain issues they will never get ahead of?
Protester: That's no excuse. Sin is sin.
Patron: You look exhausted, can I buy you a donut?
Protester: Sure, just don't tell the church.
Patron: Your secret's safe with me.
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Phoneman777
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To what "same" protection are you referring?
Who's the government side with when rainbow reprobates oppose Christians florists and bakers?
Who's the government side with when rainbow reprobates oppose Christian parents over textbook porn?
Who's the government side with when rainbow reprobate flags are burned vs. when Old Glory is burned?
Do you consume anything else except homosexual sympathizing propaganda? Because it seems everyone but you knows Christian white people enjoy anything but the "same" protection as everyone else.
Why do you hate rainbow reprobates, as Leviticus 19:17 KJV plainly says you do? You want them to be lost.
By encouraging others to gain understanding for why a rainbow reprobate prefers the hairy, smelly, unsanitary anus of another man instead of what God intended man, you are defending sin.
How do you think Jesus feels about that? You defending that which made necessary His ignominious death?
I'm absolutely sure you not only support it by voice, but also by wallet.
Galatians 4:16 KJV
[16] Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Put down the rainbow reprobate propaganda and read the Scriptures, which tell you to "reprove, rebuke, exhort" - do you tell them how dangerous that lifestyle is? Do you tell them then end of it is hellfire?
We have the same protection they have from discrimination.
How would you like it OUR protection was removed?
discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, age (40 or older), disability and genetic information (including family medical history).
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Phoneman777
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If Christians enjoy the "same" protections, please explain the following disparagement:
Who's the government side with when rainbow reprobates oppose Christians florists and bakers?
Who's the government side with when rainbow reprobates oppose Christian parents over textbook porn?
Who's the government side with when rainbow reprobate flags are burned vs. when Old Glory is burned?
It seems everyone but you knows Christian white people enjoy anything but the "same" protection.
Your discriminatory behavior is on par with those you oppose. "Christian white people" versus "rainbow reprobates" ?? !!!
Do you even know what a "reprobate" is? - LOL
It seems that those "Christians florists and bakers" were engaged in illegal discriminatory crimes.
What if the tables were turned? A rainbow florist or baker discriminating against a Christian. ???
--- Parody ---
At the Rainbow Florist.
Christian customer: I need a dozen roses.
Rainbow Florist: Sorry, we don't serve your kind.
Christian customer: Say what?
Rainbow Florist: You're wearing a MAGA cap and a Jesus T-Shirt.
Christian customer: That's not a crime!
Rainbow Florist: It should be.
Christian customer: So, you are refusing me service because I am a Republican Christian?
Rainbow Florist: It's my store. I choose who we do business with.
Christian customer: That's discrimination.
Rainbow Florist: Welcome to my world.
Christian customer: When have you been discriminated against?
Rainbow Florist: When I tried to enter a church wearing a rainbow T-Shirt.
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That is a good example, but there is an expected difference. As a conservative Christian, I would simply find another florist.
Agree. And we should behave that way. However a person that is discriminated against has a legal right to bring charges.
How do we suppose that the Christian in this parody would react? Revenge? Or turn the other cheek?
Let's see what a proper response might look like. WWJD?
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At the Rainbow Florist. Act 2
Christian customer: I need a dozen roses.
Rainbow Florist: Sorry, we don't serve your kind.
Christian customer: Say what?
Rainbow Florist: You're wearing a MAGA cap and a Jesus T-Shirt.
Christian customer: Does that offend you?
Rainbow Florist: Absolutely! It's my store. I choose who we do business with.
Christian customer: Fair enough.
Rainbow Florist: Say what?
Christian customer: I want you to know that I don't hate you, and neither does Jesus.
Rainbow Florist: Say what?
Christian customer: I'll change my cap and T-Shirt and pay double for the roses.
Rainbow Florist: Are you for real?
Christian customer: I'll be right back. I need white roses, thanks.
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BarneyFife
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There's so much equivocation that goes on relative to this issue—from both sides, actually.
Bakers will say "I can't allow my art to be used to celebrate a lifestyle of which I do not approve."
What if you were a caterer and a homosexual wanted you to cook food for their wedding? Not anything that expressed the lifestyle in any way—just food. People gotta eat on their wedding day just like any other day.
What if you were a tailor and they wanted custom fit formal wear?
Hypotheticals drive me bananas. People who have enough time to sit around formulating a way to stay off God's hit list in the event that they might be put in an unlikely situation would be better served considering what they might doing right now that could be displeasing to Him. :)
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You should know that the best way to divert support for your position is to fail to answer challenges to it.
You ever gonna explain how it is you conclude that white straight Christians enjoy the "same" protections as rainbow reprobates when the news says the exact opposite?
MorningDance13
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God would not make anyone to have a nature contrary to His will.
If someone's nature is homosexual then that is a result of The Fall.
Just because an inclination may be natural for someone doesn't magically make the activity not sinful if God has said that it is.
Those of us who claim His Name are mandated to refrain from giving in to our fallen natures be they homosexual or homicidal.
You use the word harsh to describe saying homosexuality is a sin.
Would you say that calling heterosexual behavior that falls outside of God's will sin is harsh?
Again, I think the answer depends on whether a person is homosexual by nature or by choice. I have opposite-sex attraction, and I know it isn't my choice, it's just the way I'm wired. I have no same-sex attraction, and don't know what it's like, but if it's just the way homosexuals are wired, it's hard for me to blame them for acting on it.
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BarneyFife
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We are/were all, by very nature, the children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3), which is no reflection on God's creative power or perfect will. The first Adam ensured depraved heredity; The Second Adam affords all who will to be partakers of the divine nature.
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MorningDance13
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So if someone were wired to be physically violent toward people you would have difficulty blaming them for doing so instead of obeying the Lord?
MorningDance13
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I have only once heard of someone choosing to be homosexual.
Every other person on the planet who is homosexual says that it's the way they were born.
As a matter of fact that's pretty much the linchpin on which the argument stands is that it's the way they are born / it's natural for them ergo it's okay to live it out.
That being the case I'm confused why you keep saying it depends on whether it's natural or a choice.
I don't think anybody chooses to like the sex that they like any more than people choose to like broccoli. It happens or it doesn't happen.
The problem is people act like sex is more important than air, water, and food including people claiming to be Christians who are supposed to know better.
Living without a romantic relationship doesn't make our lives horribly deprived and completely miserable unless we choose to feel that way and wallow around in misery.
People say things like 'well if God's not taking away someone's gay feelings then that person has the right to act out on them' while completely ignoring that billions of heterosexual people do not get an opportunity to act out on their heterosexual feelings and they don't say that fornication is magically not a sin because they still have sexual feelings. They stay abstinent and celibate and they're not miserable or deprived. They know that that's just how life is sometimes. And a huge percentage of these people don't even know the Lord Jesus. And you have Christians whining and complaining because they can't have sex or because other people they don't even know can't have sex which is even sillier.
I don't see physical response to sexual attraction (which everyone has) as analogous to a propensity for violence (which I have never seen in a person, nor would I consider it a physical response characteristic).
MorningDance13
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I cannot tell if you are agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or expounding on what I said.
So for those who become Born Again citizens of the kingdom of heaven and indwelt with Holy Spirit we really have no other option but to abstain from the things that the Lord says are unholy whether we feel they are natural for us or not.
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MorningDance13
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I would like to live where you live where you have never seen someone with a propensity for violence!
That must be a very peaceful and pleasant place to be.
So please work with me.
Firstly sexual attraction is not just physical but rather also psychological, emotional, and spiritual.
Secondly not everyone has sexual attraction feeling.
Thirdly, Having a propensity for violence can and often definitely is rooted in physiology and biology just for the record.
Since you can't relate the two try to think of some other sin and then ask yourself the question would it be okay for someone to engage in that sin or would the right thing for the person to do to be to resist temptation and obey what the Lord says to do in the Scriptures?
Let's say a heterosexual person who is married has big sexual feelings for lots of people who are not his or her spouse?
Let's say this person sincerely believes that his or her nature is to engage in sexual relations with large numbers of people.
Let's say this person is also claiming to be a Christian.
This person absolutely is only supposed to be having sex physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually with his or her spouse.
(Technically the person not claiming to be a Christian isn't supposed to be committing adultery either.)
Do you think that because the person has these feelings and it's 'natural' for them that it's okay for them to live them out? Or are they also obligated to obey God's laws like the rest of us?
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I would definitely blame that person for his/her infidelity, no mater the depth of physical attraction toward the non-spouse.
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