Hearing the Lord, and pride vs humility

[Karl Peters]

Preaching the Word of God is preaching Jesus Christ and Him as the Word of God!

Jesus Christ is the Word of God because His Father gave Him all things, including the very words of God. Jesus explained that He does and says only what the Father tells Him, and we also know the His Father also gave Him the throne of God. So, Jesus, the Christ, rules over all things because He is on the throne of God with the very words of God. Therefore, it is expected that all would hear the King of kings and listen to Him!! Not hearing Him when He speaks to you then would be not only disrespectful but is a clear sign a person does not love the Lord, their God.


Now there is a misconception, propagated by the devil, that a person talking about hearing God is full of pride. The devil is a liar, so the opposite is true. It is the not hearing the Lord our God, Jesus Christ, which is a sign of having pride!!!

The prideful person is in fact thinking inside that they and their thinking is wiser and better than God's thinking and wisdom!!

Therefore, it is the humble person who, in fact and action, turns to the Lord for advice, teaching, counsel, and instructions - meaning that they hear from Him!!

And there is another misconception, also the result of the devil, and that is that a humble person doesn't speak often about what the Lord told them. Satan, of course, does not want people listening to the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, Satan's methods are designed to get us to not seek the Lord, talk about the Lord, and testify about the Lord and what He has done for us. So Satan wants you to doubt that the Lord speaks Today, and gets you to lean on your own understanding and consider yourself to be as wise as God - so you don't listen to the Lord our God!

This shows up in the first approach that snake of old took in the garden:

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?”

Note how the snakes starts right off with the words "Indeed, has God said,"!! That is the doubt that Satan is trying to put into people and is indeed the first approach that the demons normally uses!! So if you think that you might have heard from the Lord, another spirit (evil spirit) will almost always follow with doubt that it was indeed God talking to you!

And to add to the confusion and also to get you from believing and trusting in God, that snake then tries to get you leaning on your own understanding, and to do that the snakes tries to convince you that you can be as smart and wise as God;

Gen 3:4,5 The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die!
“For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

So we see the basic strategy of the devil - first to get you to doubt God speaks to you, followed up by getting you to think that you can be as wise as God, "knowing good and evil". And the thing is that we fall for this over and over and over!!

You would think that at some point we would realize that leaning on our own understanding is just not working for us! If we do ever get to that point, it leads to repentance! Repentance is of course the realization that we are messing things up, and so we regret our decisions. That then leads us back to God (hopefully) and then seeking His voice and words to us. It doesn't always lead us back to God, though. We might turn to other people we think are smarter than us, or we might turn to an idol, or a person might just turn directly back to Satan (like in witchcraft and such) So it not only takes repentance but also a leave of belief and zeal for God!

Rev 3:19 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

So to get back to seeking and hearing from the Lord we have to have both a zeal that comes with some level of faith in God, and also repentance - that idea that we really do need God in our lives because we are not as wise as God. If indeed, both those things happen in your life then you will seek the Lord our God Jesus Christ, open up to Him, and He will come into you with His Holy Spirit and start talking to you, and you with Him!

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

And this talking back and forth with Him results in a greater faith in Him, and a greater zeal for Him, and a love for Him!!!

Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Ps 119:139 My zeal has consumed me, Because my adversaries have forgotten Your words.

A good example of this is Moses. He was considered a very humble man.

Numbers 3:12 (Now the man Moses was very humble, more than any man who was on the face of the earth.)

And what do we read about Moses - that He was even bold enough to talk to Pharoah about what God said, and to go up on the mountain of God to hear the words of God, and how He spoke the words of God to lead God's people out of Egypt! So this very humble man, even more humble that any other man who was on the face of the earth, was going around talking about what the Lord was saying to Him!

And that brings up back to what I wrote earlier on this post:

Therefore, it is the humble person who, in fact and action, turns to the Lord for advice, teaching, counsel, and instructions - meaning that they hear from Him!!

 

[Cyd]

Preaching the Word of God is preaching Jesus Christ and Him as the Word of God!

Jesus Christ is the Word of God because His Father gave Him all things, including the very words of God. Jesus explained that He does and says only what the Father tells Him, and we also know the His Father also gave Him the throne of God. So, Jesus, the Christ, rules over all things because He is on the throne of God with the very words of God. Therefore, it is expected that all would hear the King of kings and listen to Him!! Not hearing Him when He speaks to you then would be not only disrespectful but is a clear sign a person does not love the Lord, their God.


Now there is a misconception, propagated by the devil, that a person talking about hearing God is full of pride. The devil is a liar, so the opposite is true. It is the not hearing the Lord our God, Jesus Christ, which is a sign of having pride!!!

The prideful person is in fact thinking inside that they and their thinking is wiser and better than God's thinking and wisdom!!

Therefore, it is the humble person who, in fact and action, turns to the Lord for advice, teaching, counsel, and instructions - meaning that they hear from Him!!

And there is another misconception, also the result of the devil, and that is that a humble person doesn't speak often about what the Lord told them. Satan, of course, does not want people listening to the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, Satan's methods are designed to get us to not seek the Lord, talk about the Lord, and testify about the Lord and what He has done for us. So Satan wants you to doubt that the Lord speaks Today, and gets you to lean on your own understanding and consider yourself to be as wise as God - so you don't listen to the Lord our God!

This shows up in the first approach that snake of old took in the garden:

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?”

Note how the snakes starts right off with the words "Indeed, has God said,"!! That is the doubt that Satan is trying to put into people and is indeed the first approach that the demons normally uses!! So if you think that you might have heard from the Lord, another spirit (evil spirit) will almost always follow with doubt that it was indeed God talking to you!

And to add to the confusion and also to get you from believing and trusting in God, that snake then tries to get you leaning on your own understanding, and to do that the snakes tries to convince you that you can be as smart and wise as God;

Gen 3:4,5 The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die!
“For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

So we see the basic strategy of the devil - first to get you to doubt God speaks to you, followed up by getting you to think that you can be as wise as God, "knowing good and evil". And the thing is that we fall for this over and over and over!!

You would think that at some point we would realize that leaning on our own understanding is just not working for us! If we do ever get to that point, it leads to repentance! Repentance is of course the realization that we are messing things up, and so we regret our decisions. That then leads us back to God (hopefully) and then seeking His voice and words to us. It doesn't always lead us back to God, though. We might turn to other people we think are smarter than us, or we might turn to an idol, or a person might just turn directly back to Satan (like in witchcraft and such) So it not only takes repentance but also a leave of belief and zeal for God!

Rev 3:19 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

So to get back to seeking and hearing from the Lord we have to have both a zeal that comes with some level of faith in God, and also repentance - that idea that we really do need God in our lives because we are not as wise as God. If indeed, both those things happen in your life then you will seek the Lord our God Jesus Christ, open up to Him, and He will come into you with His Holy Spirit and start talking to you, and you with Him!

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

And this talking back and forth with Him results in a greater faith in Him, and a greater zeal for Him, and a love for Him!!!

Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Ps 119:139 My zeal has consumed me, Because my adversaries have forgotten Your words.

A good example of this is Moses. He was considered a very humble man.

Numbers 3:12 (Now the man Moses was very humble, more than any man who was on the face of the earth.)

And what do we read about Moses - that He was even bold enough to talk to Pharoah about what God said, and to go up on the mountain of God to hear the words of God, and how He spoke the words of God to lead God's people out of Egypt! So this very humble man, even more humble that any other man who was on the face of the earth, was going around talking about what the Lord was saying to Him!

And that brings up back to what I wrote earlier on this post:

Therefore, it is the humble person who, in fact and action, turns to the Lord for advice, teaching, counsel, and instructions - meaning that they hear from Him!!

Hearing the Lord, and pride vs humility​

This post did to me cover more the pride vs humility however didn't point to listing for a person how to hear the Lord. I would think people would desire to hear and be directed by the Lord. To me they are not instructed in the basics which help overcome the satan vs voice of the Lord. What is pointed out in how they would also hear via the gospel instructions. They need to know that only God can read your mind knowing your thoughts not Satan. They need to know if they think they hear the Lord but are uncertain to ask the Lord for a second witness but ask in your mind where Satan can't hear then wait on the Lord for the confirmation.

Like an example I had happen to me...I was young late 20's=early 30"s learning to walk with the Lord and drove past a bill board that showed an evangelist in town, dates, time and church he was going to be at. As I looked and read it in my mind, I hear in my mind "GO" haha I didn't say a word, but asked for a second witness for going, we have to ask. I got a second witness being reminded of the bill board, so I went by myself.

When I got there I had to walk a ways to get inside and be seated and my arch of my foot fell, which would happen since childhood sometimes making it hard to walk as I would have to with that foot then be up on the ball of my foot I couldn't put my foot flat down. I just lived with it didn't think about it when it would happen and had never prayed to ask it be healed that I could recall. That evangelist called out that God was healing a foot, I was like.. well I reached my arch to feel it and the evangelist pointed to me.. it had gone I just thanked God in my mind for it as then he continued with other teaching and calling out healings.

So to me in my learning to walk...Father blessed me with a miracle healing. Exciting to know how the Lord will step in when our heart is to hear and follow.

I should put how I was instructed see what you think under another topic maybe. I would point out the scriptures too.

Now because it was something I lived with and didn't constantly happen, it was several months later I realized it hadn't been happening, and as old as I am now... it has never happened again since that date of healing. PTL

 

[Episkopos]

 

[Cyd]

are you wanting opinions? I did start listening to this as the one reply you had..but only listened to half... most wouldn't take direction from another listening... but hey you have one that loved it.

 

[Karl Peters]

Hearing the Lord, and pride vs humility​

This post did to me cover more the pride vs humility however didn't point to listing for a person how to hear the Lord. I would think people would desire to hear and be directed by the Lord. To me they are not instructed in the basics which help overcome the satan vs voice of the Lord. What is pointed out in how they would also hear via the gospel instructions. They need to know that only God can read your mind knowing your thoughts not Satan. They need to know if they think they hear the Lord but are uncertain to ask the Lord for a second witness but ask in your mind where Satan can't hear then wait on the Lord for the confirmation.

Like an example I had happen to me...I was young late 20's=early 30"s learning to walk with the Lord and drove past a bill board that showed an evangelist in town, dates, time and church he was going to be at. As I looked and read it in my mind, I hear in my mind "GO" haha I didn't say a word, but asked for a second witness for going, we have to ask. I got a second witness being reminded of the bill board, so I went by myself.

When I got there I had to walk a ways to get inside and be seated and my arch of my foot fell, which would happen since childhood sometimes making it hard to walk as I would have to with that foot then be up on the ball of my foot I couldn't put my foot flat down. I just lived with it didn't think about it when it would happen and had never prayed to ask it be healed that I could recall. That evangelist called out that God was healing a foot, I was like.. well I reached my arch to feel it and the evangelist pointed to me.. it had gone I just thanked God in my mind for it as then he continued with other teaching and calling out healings.

So to me in my learning to walk...Father blessed me with a miracle healing. Exciting to know how the Lord will step in when our heart is to hear and follow.

I should put how I was instructed see what you think under another topic maybe. I would point out the scriptures too.

Now because it was something I lived with and didn't constantly happen, it was several months later I realized it hadn't been happening, and as old as I am now... it has never happened again since that date of healing. PTL

Yeah - this thread was not created as a "How To", but rather that we seek and hear the Lord if we are humble - and that we don't seek and hear from the Lord if we are not humble!

Now I certainly don't mind discussing the "How to hear from the Lord topic" and I have done so a number of times on this forum, but writing: "didn't point to listing for a person how to hear the Lord." simply means you did not understand the topic intended to be discussed.

And there are a couple of other things in the post above that I feel deserve a response.

The main one, and this is on topic, is the below comment from the above post:

I would think people would desire to hear and be directed by the Lord.

We might think that, but that is complete opposite to what the Bible tells us!! The main problem if in fact that people don't want/desire to listen to the Lord!!!!

And that is a direct result of our pride and selfishness!! This shows up very early in the Bible:

Gen 3:2,3The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;
but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’”

So Eve had heard from the Lord, but did she want to listen to Him? The answer turned out to be "NO", she didn't want to listen to the Lord and His instructions but rather she wanted to eat from that one tree she was told not to eat from!

Gen 3:5 “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

All that snake of old had to do was tempt her with the prospect of being like God and knowing good and evil without God, and so that tree with might make her the wise One, caused her to not listen to God!! That wanting ourselves to be like God and the wise One is exactly what pride is!!!

So anyone thinking that "I would think people would desire to hear and be directed by the Lord.", is wrong and is probably tempted by that old snake, but of course we all get tempted by him! So we, despite our pride, still need to humble ourselves and seek the Lord our God, Jesus Christ as the Word of God, and listen to what He tells us via His Holy Spirit!!

And to humble ourselves we need to realize that we have pride and need to repent of it!! That will get us His words by which He reproves us, whom He loves!!

Rev 3:19,20 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

And all that goes pretty well with the other point that needs to be discussed in the above post:

They need to know that only God can read your mind knowing your thoughts not Satan. They need to know if they think they hear the Lord but are uncertain to ask the Lord for a second witness but ask in your mind where Satan can't hear then wait on the Lord for the confirmation.

First we need and should already understand that God is spirit!! Therefore we hear from God via His Holy Spirit!! And so the Word of God we preach is found in our mouths and heart!!!

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So we are not looking to our 'mind', but to the Holy Spirit of God to bring us the Lord's words!!

Jn 16:13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

So perhaps we do need to discuss the "How To", part with some. Yet His sheep do hear His voice!

Jn 10:4 ,5 “When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
“A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.”

So we hear His voice, and we will not follow that stanger's/the snake of old! Yet that does not mean that we are not to test the spirit, not that we can't hear that snake's voice!!

Knowing the Lord and thus having spiritual ears to hear is something like having physical ears. With your physical ears you can hear and evil person trying to get you to do wrong things, like lying, stealing, and murdering, but a Christian is not going to wind up following in that group! In the same way, having spiritual ears means we can still hear from evil spirits!! Indeed we battle with them, right?

Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

So we test the spirits, and to do that according to the Scriptures, we need to be able to hear a response as to Jesus coming in the flesh or not, right?

1 Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

If you can't hear what the evil spirit says and confesses to or not, then you can't apply the above test!! So who told us, "only God can read your mind knowing your thoughts not Satan"?? Do you not know that all that stuff in your mind is known by your spirit? And do you not know that what is in your spirit is accessible by your mind? Satan would like nothing more that to have you believe that he doesn't influence your thoughts!! Have we not read:

Prov 12:5 The thoughts of the righteous are just,
But the counsels of the wicked are deceitful.

C. S Lewis wrote a book called Screwtape letters. If you did not get the idea of what is going on around you from the Bible, you might want to read it and consider. The battle we have against the dark forces of this world, takes place in us - in our spirit and thoughts!

 

[Cyd]

So Eve had heard from the Lord, but did she want to listen to Him? The answer turned out to be "NO", she didn't want to listen to the Lord and His instructions but rather she wanted to eat from that one tree she was told not to eat from!

I do differ with this statement.. How I read this God told Adam not Eve, the only thing then is how did Eve know... to me Eve heard it from Adam as God never spoke to Eve until she ate the fruit and God came and spoke to her too.

Other than that was disappointed that you said most people don't want to hear from the Lord sad

 

[Karl Peters]

I do differ with this statement.. How I read this God told Adam not Eve, the only thing then is how did Eve know... to me Eve heard it from Adam as God never spoke to Eve until she ate the fruit and God came and spoke to her too.

Other than that was disappointed that you said most people don't want to hear from the Lord sad

OK - the verse reads:

The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’”

Note that it does not read 'God told Adam'.

So there is an assumption by Cyd, that even those Eve said "God has said," she didn't mean that He had said to her - as opposed the more obvious conclusion that Eve meant what she said because God spoke to her and she was just relaying that fact.

The troubling part of this conclusion to a believer like me - who like the Lord said of His sheep - I heard His voice, is that I would never ever make that conclusion, and if indeed I got a word from God spoken to by from another person, I would credit that person with that word from God!

For example, I once heard Benny Hinn say, "It is not thus said the Lord, but thus saith the Lord! He is still saying today!"
of as Isaiah put it:

Is 1:2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth; For the LORD speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up, But they have revolted against Me.

Now I didn't hear the Lord personally tell me those words that Isaiah wrote, so if I use them I quote Isaiah as having written them down - yet Eve did not give credit or quote Adam! So the assumption by Cyd is a poor one, at the very least. And the reason I make a rather big deal about it is why that might occur? Why would a person concluded that Eve did actually hear the Lord tell her not to eat of that tree? It is that the person with that conclusion is not actually hearing from the Lord themselves, is it???

That is to say that if someone was to tell me, "God said......", I would naturally conclude they had actually heard the Lord tell them something, because He tells me many things. Indeed, even Jesus and Satan tended to say 'it is written', when reffering to something someone else heard and wrote in the Bible.

Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.’”

But is that what we are doing, living by "EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD." ????

I mean - are we actually hearing what the Lord says to us personally so that when we say, "God said", we mean He personally said it to us?
If so, then I would think our conclusions to someone saying, "God said", would be that they personally heard from the Lord our God also. But if not, then an unnatural disbelief that God was talking to other personally would then creep into our understanding, because we don't live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, but rather by those stones Moses brought down in the desert (the Law). So who are we listening to then?

Before eating of the tree, sin was not in Eve. She had a close personal relationship with the Omni-present LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS. So when she said, "God said", she was not like those people at the foot of the mountain who said, "Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.” (Ex 20:29)

Therefore to this very day there a people still saying, " let not God speak to us" and instead are turning to what Moses had heard from God as their listening to God. That is not "God said", but is rather the writings of Moses! And Jesus reproved the Jews about that!! And thereby separating His words from Moses's writings!

Jn 5:46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

 

[Cyd]

OK - the verse reads:

The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’”

Note that it does not read 'God told Adam'.

So there is an assumption by Cyd, that even those Eve said "God has said," she didn't mean that He had said to her - as opposed the more obvious conclusion that Eve meant what she said because God spoke to her and she was just relaying that fact.

The troubling part of this conclusion to a believer like me - who like the Lord said of His sheep - I heard His voice, is that I would never ever make that conclusion, and if indeed I got a word from God spoken to by from another person, I would credit that person with that word from God!

For example, I once heard Benny Hinn say, "It is not thus said the Lord, but thus saith the Lord! He is still saying today!"
of as Isaiah put it:

Is 1:2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth; For the LORD speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up, But they have revolted against Me.

Now I didn't hear the Lord personally tell me those words that Isaiah wrote, so if I use them I quote Isaiah as having written them down - yet Eve did not give credit or quote Adam! So the assumption by Cyd is a poor one, at the very least. And the reason I make a rather big deal about it is why that might occur? Why would a person concluded that Eve did actually hear the Lord tell her not to eat of that tree? It is that the person with that conclusion is not actually hearing from the Lord themselves, is it???

That is to say that if someone was to tell me, "God said......", I would naturally conclude they had actually heard the Lord tell them something, because He tells me many things. Indeed, even Jesus and Satan tended to say 'it is written', when reffering to something someone else heard and wrote in the Bible.

Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.’”

But is that what we are doing, living by "EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD." ????

I mean - are we actually hearing what the Lord says to us personally so that when we say, "God said", we mean He personally said it to us?
If so, then I would think our conclusions to someone saying, "God said", would be that they personally heard from the Lord our God also. But if not, then an unnatural disbelief that God was talking to other personally would then creep into our understanding, because we don't live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, but rather by those stones Moses brought down in the desert (the Law). So who are we listening to then?

Before eating of the tree, sin was not in Eve. She had a close personal relationship with the Omni-present LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS. So when she said, "God said", she was not like those people at the foot of the mountain who said, "Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.” (Ex 20:29)

Therefore to this very day there a people still saying, " let not God speak to us" and instead are turning to what Moses had heard from God as their listening to God. That is not "God said", but is rather the writings of Moses! And Jesus reproved the Jews about that!! And thereby separating His words from Moses's writings!

Jn 5:46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Ok well let me post the scripture. God said this to "the man"
Genesis 2:16 (KJV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 (KJV) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

When the Lord speaks to me, most times it is by the written word!! God is speaking to me on things, I could give plenty of examples but see no reason to.

 

[Karl Peters]

Over and over again, we see where people are making the Bible the Word of God instead of Jesus. When people do that it shows up in what they say and do. And it is obvious that we all do it to some extent, but that is going back to leaning on our own understanding instead of leaning on what the Lord has to say to us personally!!

When we say, "God said" do we mean that He said to us? We should mean that, because He does say thing to us, His sheep. We hear His voice! Indeed, He leads us with His voice!! In fact, He calls us by name, right? That is how it is for me, and that is how it is written in the Bible.

Jn 10:3,4 “To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. “When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.

I am not lying when I tell others that He talks to me, He says things like, "Karl, let's go for a walk". and then Him and I talk while I talk a walk with Him!

And so to describe that I would tell someone, "God said, 'let's go for a walk'".

And if I referenced, (1 Kings 2:3) “Keep the charge of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, to keep His statutes, His commandments, His ordinances, and His testimonies, according to what is written in the Law of Moses, that you may succeed in all that you do and wherever you turn," I would not say, "God said" to that! Indeed, that was said by David to his son Solomon, as recorded in the Scriptures. So though they are wise words, and should help us understand that God might say, 'let's go for a walk', they are not God's words but David's words about God!

So why do they tell you the Bible is God's Word, instead of Jesus Christ??? Those who wrote the Bible were men! Yes they were men who heard from the Lord our God whose name is called, "The Word of God" (Rev 19:13), and were given instructions to write by the Word of God, Jesus Christ the Lord our God! Never-the-less, many and indeed even most of the words in the Bible are not even credited with being from God!!!

For example, just read Job. That book is mostly about Job and a few friends of His talking about God, in what seems to be an argument! And only one of them, Elihu, writes “I will fetch my knowledge from afar, And I will ascribe righteousness to my Maker." And so only one of them was not reproved by God:

Job 40: 6,7 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm and said,
“Now gird up your loins like a man;
I will ask you, and you instruct Me.

So Job finally gets smart and responds:

Job 42:2 ‘Hear, now, and I will speak;
I will ask You, and You instruct me.’

And the Lord speak, as recorded:

Job 42:7 It came about after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is right as My servant Job has.

Notice that Elihu was not reproved, because he was already looking to gets his knowledge from God. So we have 42 chapters with many words, but most of which are not the words of God!! And that was the problem!! So are you going to now call the Bible, "The Word of God" instead of the Lord our God who speaks the words of God to us personally, "The Word of God"??

Are we going to be like Job, Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar, and get reproved! Or are we going to be like Elihu, and look to the Lord our God for words?

Job 42:9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD told them; and the LORD [accepted Job.

The sacrifice was made, but we still need to take this attitude: " ‘Hear, now, and I will speak; I will ask You, and You instruct me.’"

We need to listen to the Lord personally, so that when we say, "God said", it means we heard Him personally talk to us and give us instructions!!

That is why Jesus Christ is called the Word of God, and not your Bible!!!
The Lord says - and He does so with those who really listen to Him by faith!!!

And the most common thing I hear from Him personally myself is, "Karl, I love you."

If anyone is not hearing Him tell you that personally, I recommend you pray this prayer and listen!!

Pray - "Jesus Christ, how do you feel about me?"

Then after you hear that answer to that question, start a conversation with Him! In that way you will get to know Him personally!

 

[Cyd]

If anyone is not hearing Him tell you that personally, I recommend you pray this prayer and listen!!

Pray - "Jesus Christ, how do you feel about me?"

Then after you hear that answer to that question, start a conversation with Him! In that way you will get to know Him personally!

I did this as you requested this was the Lord's response to me and all really.
Jeremiah 29:11 (KJV) For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

 

[Karl Peters]

Ok well let me post the scripture. God said this to "the man"
Genesis 2:16 (KJV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 (KJV) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

When the Lord speaks to me, most times it is by the written word!! God is speaking to me on things, I could give plenty of examples but see no reason to.

Do we not see where Cyd has it wrong?

Right of Cyd writes "God said this to "the man", failing to realize that it was not said to him but to 'the man'.

Therefore Cyd makes a conclusion, based upon his own understanding, that the Lord did not also say it to Eve!!!

That is: Cyd concedes that since he does not hear the Lord, but says that the Lord speaks to him by the written word, that Eve must not have heard from the Lord either!! Yet Eve knew the Lord personally at that time!! So why would he think the Lord didn't also tell Eve the same thing. Eve didn't even have the Scriptures, like Cyd. So the Lord didn't "speak to her via the 'written word' - which of course make no sense anyway, because reading is not hearing, nor is writing speaking!!

So, in other words, all Cyd's conclusions are "nonsense"!!

What makes sense is that because God was with both Adam and Eve, that God spoke to Eve the same instruction to Eve that He spoke to Adam, and that is why Eve told the snake of old, "God said"!! She didn't say Adam said, not did she say that Adam wrote, or God said to Adam, or that reading what another person wrote was her hearing God!

And you would think, if in fact Cyd spent much time actually listening to the Lord he would know that the Word of God we preach is found near us at all times, even in our mouth and in our hearts, so not in ink on pages of the Bible!! Did he not ever read:

Rom 10: 6-8 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”
But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

Therefore the very Bible he says is mostly how God speaks to him, explains that it is not the Word of God we preach, but that the Word of God we preach is found IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART!!!!

Did he not even read about how Jesus reproved the Jews like this :

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Therefore Jesus Himself makes a difference between reading the Bible and coming to Him!!!

And He followed it up with:

Jn 5:41 “I do not receive glory from men;

Yet men like Moses wrote the Bible, and reading their writings, according to Cyd, are hearing from God. If that was so their searching the Scriptures would have saved them, but it did not and of the Jesus said:

Jn 5:34 “But the testimony which I receive is not from man, but I say these things so that you may be saved.

And again Jesus made a separation between reading the writings of Moses and hearing His words:

Jn 5: 46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

You would think that anyone reading the Bible so as to be as zealous about it as Cyd it, they would believed it!? Then they would seek the Word of God who we preach, Jesus Christ, and start seeking Him and his words, which are the words of God to us and the Word of God that is near us! Those words are not from ink on pages, but from the Holy Spirit of God!! Who does he not know this? Is this not also explained in the Bible?

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

The Holy Spirit is not made of ink on pages!!!! He is the One who comes to us with the words He gets from Jesus Christ!! We, his sheep know this!! And this too is explained in the Bible!

Jn 16:13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

And we know that the Holy Spirit, by speaking only what He gets from Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ has gotten those words from His Father, so that He (Jesus Christ) owns them, right?

Jn 16:14,15 “He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. “All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

If indeed, reading the Bible is God talking to us then how did some of us not come to understand about the Holy Spirit being the One who gives us the words of God, and those He got from Jesus Christ whose name is called the Word of God He owns all the words of God, because His Father gave the to Him?? How did they not understand this?

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Understanding and knowledge does not come from your reading but from you hearing Him!!!

Jn 8:43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.

Now the first words I heard from Him were, "Ready Your Bible", thereby proving that He was not the Bible but the One instructing me.

And when I read the Bible He still talks to me to this day!! So I read the Bible and also get instructions from my Teacher!!

The Lord once told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

That is not what Cyd seem to be saying. It seems he Cyd is saying don't take the class with the Teacher (Jesus Christ) but lean our you own understanding of the textbook!! And since that is against the instructions I personally have from the Teacher, then I am fully against it!!

 

[Windmill Charge]

people are making the Bible the Word of God instead of Jesus

Without the bible how do you know anything about God?
How do you know that the ' voice ' you hear is from God?

Luke1" since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught."

Without the bible how do you know anything about God?

 

[Karl Peters]

I did this as you requested this was the Lord's response to me and all really.
Jeremiah 29:11 (KJV) For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

Do you not read the "If anyone"???

That is to "anyone", not just you.

Indeed, most of what I am writing is to anyone, because this is a public forum. So when Jesus said something like:

Jn 5: 46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

It was not just to one person but many, even most then, were having that problem!! So it is or should not be a surprise that many, even most Christians today are having a similar problem!!

So it was that He has told me personally instructions like:

"Karl, I want you to preach the Word of God, but not like it is so often preached Today. I want you to preach I AM the Word of God."

Which is not what you are doing!! Have you not read:

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

And He also once told me to open up my Bible and read, Ezek 3

And when I read:

Ezek 3: 5-7 “For you are not being sent to a people of unintelligible speech or difficult language, but to the house of Israel, nor to many peoples of unintelligible speech or difficult language, whose words you cannot understand. But I have sent you to them who should listen to you;:yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate.

And as I read I could also hear Him personally talking to me saying, "Karl, I am not sending you to a people of difficult language but to a people who should listen to you. But they will not be willing to listen to you because they are not willing to listen to Me."

And this morning He asked me to come again to respond on this forum. And what I find is indeed, like He said, people who are not willing to listen to Me trying to tell them that Jesus Christ the Word of God we preach, because we are supposed to listen to Him. But instead they write things like:

When the Lord speaks to me, most times it is by the written word!!

The fact is that the Lord never speaks you us by the written word, but He will speak to us about the Bible!!! You are both mistaken by calling it the "written word", and that the Lord speaks to me most of the times by the written word"!! The fact is that He never speaks you us by the Sacred Writings, but by His Holy Spirit!! But maybe you are dull of hearing - so that when He speaks to you don't actually hear Him in words?

Is 6:9,10 He said, “Go and tell this people: “ ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.”

But if you went and listen, like I presented to anyone, why then did you not come back and tell me what you heard? In fact, I find no testimony about what He is telling you from you! Your testimony is that you mostly hear Him while reading, but reading is not hearing! And I covered that already!

So you want a word from Him for you?

Ok He say now, "Listen to Me!"

And He just now told me to back it up with this verse:

Luke 9:35 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!”

 

[Behold]

So Satan wants you to doubt that the Lord speaks Today, and gets you to lean on your own understanding and consider yourself to be as wise as God - so you don't listen to the Lord our God!

God speaks to the Believer, on every page of the Bible.
We Study, and God speaks.
WE Listen to the words in the bible and God gives the revelation.
For Doctrine, the believer listens to Paul's epistles.

 

[Karl Peters]

Without the bible how do you know anything about God?
How do you know that the ' voice ' you hear is from God?

Luke1" since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught."

Without the bible how do you know anything about God?

These would be good question, but only God is good and they are not from God!!!

Still, I will help you, by using the Bible as instructed!

Rev 3:19,20 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

And He who asked me to quote the above verse wants to know from you, why you do not believe what was written???

So, you and I both have a Bible but you don't believe it, and I did!! You made a false conclusion, thinking that because I point people to Him that means I don't have nor read the Bible. Oh how wrong you are!! The first words He told me personally were, "Read Your Bible!" And so I did and found out that it says to believe in Him, but you ask "Without the bible how do you know anything about God?"

Did Abram have a Bible, but he believed. And yet you have a Bible and you don't believe, not do you understand!

The first words recorded in the Bible by that snake were, "did God really say" -

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?

And you didn't, by your understanding, realize that you question: "Without the bible how do you know anything about God?" are the same words as "did God really say", just reformed into a question? So that question came to you from that same snake of old. So we had better get to you next question:

How do you know that the ' voice ' you hear is from God?

Do you not know that the Lord our God is your Teacher??? And did you not read:

Luke 11:11 “Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he?

The sign for Christ was a fish, but you think that if I ask for Him the Father will give me a snake! So you have a Bible but are not being taught of God, but have gotten a snake. Did you not read that seek and you will find, knock and it shall be opened. God is not a liar, it He?

Luke 11:9 So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

Again you read but you don't believe, so then what use is the Bible to you if you don't even believe what's written in it?

So you quote Luke:

Luke 1: 1Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us,

But unlike Luke you did not come to understand that we need to listen to Jesus Christ, and so you account, unlike Luke's account differ in material ways!! Luke knew about seeking and finding the Lord, but you do not! You did not seek and ask for the fish, so you got the snake!

That is simple to fix!! Now go back and ask the Father for Jesus Christ and you will find Him!!

Rev 3:19,20 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

 

[Karl Peters]

God speaks to the Believer, on every page of the Bible.
We Study, and God speaks.
WE Listen to the words in the bible and God gives the revelation.
For Doctrine, the believer listens to Paul's epistles.

No, God speaks His sheep via His Holy Spirit!! But you and I have gone round and round on this like Jesus went round and round about this with the Pharisees! But for the sake of others I will provide a verse that shows you wrong.

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So His sheep don't listen to the Bible we listen to the Holy Spirit. We read and study the Bible so that we will know that you are wrong, and we who indeed hear Him are right according to what is written!! But Jesus had to tell some:


Jn 5:38 “You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent."

Frankly, you do not have His word abiding in you. for you do not believe Him whom He sent!!

Jn 16:7 “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

If indeed you were to hear from the Holy Spirit you would know about Him who comes with the small voice of the Lord. You would know that the Holy Spirit comes with the Lord's words so we find the Word of God near us, even in our mouth and our hearts. They are words, and they are spoken to us personally. But you don't have them in you, so you look for them on the pages of the Bible, instead of looking to Him!!

You are like those whom Jesus spoke to saying: “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. (Jn 5:39,40)

Still, Jesus spoke to a group and called them "You", and so it is now also!

 

[Behold]

No, God speaks His sheep via His Holy Spirit!!

God speaks through His Word and His word.
Always.
They work hand in hand.

 

[Cyd]

You know nothing about me sir and I am a woman if you had of looked up my profile first. I do not hear only from reading. I did not read what I posted.. it is what the Lord said to me in my mind... I looked up the scriptures for you. The gospels are in my heart and head as well as out of the mouth of God a lot from the OT. I have scripture conversations with the Lord.. He will tell me to sometimes read a chapter also, but just says the book and chapter. I would worry about things like you had said to me and if those long sentences came to my mind... I personally would say back in my mind "Father is that you" please give me another witness... this is how we communicate and he will give me written word having me look up given words to me then. You really don't know me sir, ask the Lord if I hear Him, He might tell you.

John 14:26 (KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Matthew 4:4 (KJV) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

The words of Christ need to be in your heart and mind, knowing them to hear the Lord. His words and teachings are in red for people to follow Him and know Him.

 

[Cassandra]

Pray - "Jesus Christ, how do you feel about me?"

Why in the world would you ask Him this?
You should already know
You are a sinner, and the wages of sin is death.
Jesus loves you, and He died so you could be with Him, if you accept Him.
What do you want Him to tell, you ? that you are a nice guy?

 

[Behold]

So His sheep don't listen to the Bible we listen to the Holy Spirit.

I hear the word of God, (Bible).... and i'm lead by the Spirit. (Holy Spirit).

= "Jesus is That Spirit",... as HE is...: "Christ in you the hope of glory" (Glory is heaven)., regarding all the born again.

My born again spirit is in spiritual union with Jesus and God, as "In Christ", and "ONE with God".
They work in conjunction with the Bible, always.

Notice reader...

"In Christ are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge",...... and because all the born again ARE become the 'Temple of the Holy Spirit",.. that is the "new Creation"...... then the Holy Spirit who is Christ in me and in all the born again... reveal to our "Spiritual Eyes of understanding" the revelation that is His word, that is the bible.

I dont listen to voices in my head... i listen to the unction that is inside me that is more like intuition, its a 'knowing" that is inside my spirit, vs some voice that is in my head... regarding how i listen to God.
im not lead by voices in my head, as voices in your head, can be a demon @Karl Peters .

The Knowledge of God, is revealed to us through the word of God, mostly, and that is why Paul tells us to "study to show yourself approved unto God".... and that study is the SCRIPTURES... most of all.

So, simply listen to the word of God, as you study iut.... and Christ reveals the rest, as the knowledge of God, from inside you, as REVELATION.

Sometimes you might need some direction......because you are in a life crisis.
Then pray, and read the scriptures, and allow God to reveal and confirm.
And always confirm some "voice of direction" inside your mind with the scriptures as God will never give direction to you and your life does not line up with His New Testament.