Proper divorce from a Mormon spouse, trickery of the Mormon church

[Raccoon1010]

Jesus has methods of communicating to his children from Heaven and that was spiritual until his glorious return. And spirit has power into the physical realm thru the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

An issue came up in communion with Jesus the Christ. He said the Mormon church had deceived me. He explained that as Adam and Eve became one flesh, I also had a problem that needed to be addressed with my (human law and Mormon temple ordinances) ex wife. He explained that since we were one flesh, her being married by human law to another man was not honored until Jesus separated our one flesh joining. And he also explained that she was earning hell and death earnings in our joined temple area that God governs.

He explained that while the ex wife had asked for a Mormon temple divorce which their leadership honored for her, we had not properly been divorced. And it was a deception of the Mormon church.

It was required that I pray and petition Jesus the Christ that Jesus the Christ properly divorce us and separate our temple areas. Only Jesus has authority to perform that physical union and separation.

I was also shown the body of Christ appear before me and told that I must not deny that people are not married in Heaven. And the body of Christ said that to me.

I will post the relevant scriptures for that:

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels [a]of God in heaven. 31 But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Matthew 5:32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

Now Matthew 22:30-32 Seems to say that God is not God of the dead but of the living. And perhaps Mormons misunderstand that scripture?

I will therefore testify of the Witness of the Holy Ghost who has visited me on a few occasions and while submersed in the Holy Ghost I felt no physical pain and not spiritual pain and there was no sexual desire. I had only love, peace and a will to do good. And on one occasion a spiritual visit with Holy and White vision of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother who was honored in Heaven. And when submersed in the Holy Ghost I was given discernment He was Holy and Clean from sin.

God has the keys of Hell and Death as mentioned in the New Testament.

 

[lforrest]

Jesus has methods of communicating to his children from Heaven and that was spiritual until his glorious return. And spirit has power into the physical realm thru the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

An issue came up in communion with Jesus the Christ. He said the Mormon church had deceived me. He explained that as Adam and Eve became one flesh, I also had a problem that needed to be addressed with my (human law and Mormon temple ordinances) ex wife. He explained that since we were one flesh, her being married by human law to another man was not honored until Jesus separated our one flesh joining. And he also explained that she was earning hell and death earnings in our joined temple area that God governs.

He explained that while the ex wife had asked for a Mormon temple divorce which their leadership honored for her, we had not properly been divorced. And it was a deception of the Mormon church.

It was required that I pray and petition Jesus the Christ that Jesus the Christ properly divorce us and separate our temple areas. Only Jesus has authority to perform that physical union and separation.

I was also shown the body of Christ appear before me and told that I must not deny that people are not married in Heaven. And the body of Christ said that to me.

I will post the relevant scriptures for that:

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels [a]of God in heaven. 31 But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Matthew 5:32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

Now Matthew 22:30-32 Seems to say that God is not God of the dead but of the living. And perhaps Mormons misunderstand that scripture?

I will therefore testify of the Witness of the Holy Ghost who has visited me on a few occasions and while submersed in the Holy Ghost I felt no physical pain and not spiritual pain and there was no sexual desire. I had only love, peace and a will to do good. And on one occasion a spiritual visit with Holy and White vision of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother who was honored in Heaven. And when submersed in the Holy Ghost I was given discernment He was Holy and Clean from sin.

God has the keys of Hell and Death as mentioned in the New Testament.

Have you considered how this understanding fits with 1 cor 6 15-20?
"15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[c]

18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."

I'm not calling your ex a prostitute. But an unrecognized divorce could lead to the same effect.

Christ's marriage is with his Church, which is holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:26-27

Being holy is as being clothed property in wedding clothes. Matthew 22:11-13
11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

 

[Raccoon1010]

Have you considered how this understanding fits with 1 cor 6 15-20?
"15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[c]

18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."

I'm not calling your ex a prostitute. But an unrecognized divorce could lead to the same effect.

Christ's marriage is with his Church, which is holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:26-27

Being holy is as being clothed property in wedding clothes. Matthew 22:11-13
11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Thank you very much, I have been looking for that scripture and wondering about it for a while and that is that sexual relations with a prostitute, in my current understand, binds the male-female sin earnings, which is very unwise in my mind. And prostitution in itself as I have not committed it, but thought about it, appeared to be treating the other like property instead of a normal relationship.

 

[TLHKAJ]

And on one occasion a spiritual visit with Holy and White vision of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother

Heavenly mother??? Where is this in scripture, Devin?

 

[Cassandra]

I didn't wanna ask. Might be a holdover from the old Mormon days.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

If your spouse wishes to divorce you, you need to acknowledge their choice in that regard & accept it-- that's the healthy and respectful thing to do for everyone. Don't try to abusively force them to stay against their wishes or use threats of Hellfire. If you want to consider yourself not-single, then you can do that. But the other person has terminated their association with you.

All of hold true regardless of each person's gender or faith.

 

[Raccoon1010]

If your spouse wishes to divorce you, you need to acknowledge their choice in that regard & accept it-- that's the healthy and respectful thing to do for everyone. Don't try to abusively force them to stay against their wishes or use threats of Hellfire. If you want to consider yourself not-single, then you can do that. But the other person has terminated their association with you.

All of hold true regardless of each person's gender or faith.

No @Jane_Doe22 that is not correct doctrine. I had stated proper direct Revelation from Jesus the Christ regarding the matter in the OP. And @lforrest confirmed that idea with scripture in post #2 when he quoted 1 cor 6 15-20. So with that I can conclude that Jesus had directed me correctly in the Spirit when He addressed that issue for me. I desired a full divorce from my Mormon wife and Jesus granted it physically and spiritually at that time.

What the bible states about divorce in the New Testament is very different from the Mormon deceptions that the false prophet over your church has established. I know it can be very confusing after accepting and going as far as believing ideas from a false prophet and I'm sorry you're dealing with those issues. I know for myself that somehow I was told in other words that were very confusing to blindly follow direction of the Mormon church's so called "Prophet, Apostles, Church Authority, Prophets Seers and Revelators". And it was blindly having faith without questioning the leaders or what they were teaching.

There have been many complaints posted on YouTube regarding terrible coercion of Church and Family Members when people can no longer function to support that church either by believing in it or monetarily supporting it with 10% tithes.

In the Mormon Temple I believe the video states during the endowment process, and it is an actor which is Mormon, he is presented as Satan. And that actor previously plays a role as a tempter of Adam and Eve. And at the end of the video the actor playing Satan turns to the audience of the people witnessing the endowment process and says: "If you don't live up to every covenant you made in this temple this day you will be under my power". So the affect on the audience which are making that agreement is that if they don't give "all" their time, talent and MONEY to the church then Satan will command them or harm them or whatever that threatening language implies.

Do you honestly believe God and Jesus specifically would have Satan talk to people in an ordinance in a video using threatening language? I do know that in the Old and New Testament I could discern as taught by God himself that Satan and devils speak and nothing good comes from their speech. Jesus silenced them as witnessed in the New Testament to begin with and bound one of them in Revelation to a sealed prison for a 1,000 years so that he couldn't deceive people at all anymore.

I know members are told to "never" speak about what is seen and heard in their so called "Temples" to anyone after leaving the visit there. Thus hiding their works from others. Do you see the deceptions in all of that.

I had to bravely defy Satan at one point when he appeared above me and threatened me spiritually to not defy the so called "authority" of that church. And when I was able to see that it was trickery from the devil I did defy Satan's threats and the church's so called "authority" and started using my brain and full faculties to assess the good or evil of the doctrine that they taught. What I got from what I found when using my brain and God's direction was that "YES" in fact there was much false doctrine being taught by those Mormon leaders. And that Satan was enforcing their leadership himself spiritually as a bully spirit. I don't even know if Satan had any "real" power to issue threats in the first place.

 

[Raccoon1010]

@Jane_Doe22 I have something to add to the post above. The Holy Ghost may confirm something that is true about God. I could also discern some evil in the Mormon's book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. They are false doctrine created and given by Satan to Joseph Smith.

Perhaps what some members experience which might be God's Holy Spirit witness in that church is God going into those deceptive areas created by the false prophet of that church and as "a thief in the night" stealing away members towards his normal truth, which probably is truthful testimony from the Old and New Testaments of God and his people. I know the Mormons use the Old, and New Testament as well as the false prophet ideas in the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. So I see probably a "Caring and Loving God" protecting people subjected to potential evil ideas of false doctrine from the devil.

I myself do remember the Holy Ghost asking me "Do you believe that" when presented with things in the congregation of the Mormon church. And it shocked me and woke me up to perhaps there is some problem with what they were teaching me. And that was a long time ago and I have been visiting and communed with the spirit of God for many years. I was a Mormon and active for 10 years and had many disturbing problems of false judgment from their so called "Judges in Israel" which is Mormons pretending to be conducting church affairs with "God's" authority.

I can't even tell and now often wonder if someone can discern God from Satan spiritually and which they are testifying of. God would have to testify the truthfulness of their witness for me to believe that they are hearing the actual Holy Ghost.

Allow me to testify of the Holy Ghost as Paul the Apostle of God did himself. The Holy Ghost has appeared to me in a Holy, Pure and Sinless, Clean spirit that I could discern his Holiness. And with that He presented the Fruits of the Holy Ghost which are written in:

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

@dev553344 I’m not going to downplay your experience or beliefs. They are also very different from my experiences and beliefs, including how I see the Bible teaching.

 

[lforrest]

I don't understand what this has to do with Mormons in particular. Do you claim they do not have sufficient authority to divorce but other denominations would?

 

[BlessedPeace]

A doctrine that includes, Magical underwear!

Trickery in divorce?
Only if you're wearing a onesie.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I don't understand what this has to do with Mormons in particular. Do you claim they do not have sufficient authority to divorce but other denominations would?

Oh sorry, I think I addressed a private Mormon matter for members and probable needs some more information if you have questions. My wife divorced me under the legal law in our state which separated our financial liabilities. And that would cover finances under the United States Laws. And then she asked the Mormon leaders for a Temple divorce. Which the leaders granted.

A little history: Mormon men can be married to multiple women under their doctrine. But women can only be married to one man. It is called "sealing for time and all eternity". And the idea they presented was that we would be married in heaven and be family there after this life. They claimed marriage in heaven was essential for the highest degree of glory in Heaven.

And so much later Jesus exposed the problem of, they didn't have any real authority to address marriage down here regarding what is taught in the old and new testament word from God.

Hope that helps!

 

[lforrest]

Oh sorry, I think I addressed a private Mormon matter for members and probable needs some more information if you have questions. My wife divorced me under the legal law in our state which separated our financial liabilities. And that would cover finances under the United States Laws. And then she asked the Mormon leaders for a Temple divorce. Which the leaders granted.

A little history: Mormon men can be married to multiple women under their doctrine. But women can only be married to one man. It is called "sealing for time and all eternity". And the idea they presented was that we would be married in heaven and be family there after this life. They claimed marriage in heaven was essential for the highest degree of glory in Heaven.

And so much later Jesus exposed the problem of, they didn't have any real authority to address marriage down here regarding what is taught in the old and new testament word from God.

Hope that helps!

I'm not sure of the process, but I've not heard of anything in the protestant churches which even makes an attempt to officiate a divorce. As far as I know it is addressed as a civil matter, and the church accepts the divorce. Perhaps those getting divorced will need to explain themselves.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I don't understand what this has to do with Mormons in particular. Do you claim they do not have sufficient authority to divorce but other denominations would?

Marriage is a big deal & very sacred for LDS Christians. There's two parts:

- The normal secular side of things like marriage license, any cultural traditions, etc.
- The religious side of things, wherein bride & groom join together with Christ, blessing the marriage to ideally last for forever. In the USA, it's up to the couple if they want to do the secular & religious parts together or separate. In some other countries laws require them to be separate ceremonies.

In the tragic situations when divorce does happen, that is permitted-- no one is forced to stay in a marriage. Secular sides of things follows normal procedures and there is also procedures for the religious side too.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Marriage is a big deal & very sacred for LDS Christians. There's two parts:

- The normal secular side of things like marriage license, any cultural traditions, etc.
- The religious side of things, wherein bride & groom join together with Christ, blessing the marriage to ideally last for forever. In the USA, it's up to the couple if they want to do the secular & religious parts together or separate. In some other countries laws require them to be separate ceremonies.

In the tragic situations when divorce does happen, that is permitted-- no one is forced to stay in a marriage. Secular sides of things follows normal procedures and there is also procedures for the religious side too.

Correct doctrine is important regarding the issue you brought up so that people don't get the wrong idea about earthly life and heavenly life. Marriage was not intended by God to last forever which was also addressed by Jesus the Christ:

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.

The statement you made "No one is forced to stay in a marriage" appears to be misleading and might be understood in different ways. I am assuming you are stating that because I made the true witness that male and female bodies are joined as one flesh. Jesus did correct some matters regarding divorce in the new testament. I will cover those scriptures now:

Mark 10:7 ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.

Matthew 5:31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

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I felt it was wise to address the above topics you were discussing with @lforrest as they related to the doctrine Jesus taught me which I posted in the OP and was part of the discussion. The above information from scripture gives more of the doctrine Jesus gave during the writing of the New Testament.

I am aware that LDS (Mormons) have their own leaders they call "Prophets, Seers and Revelators" and I know you might have different views coming from those areas that do not reflect Jesus' statements in the New Testament. I know that as I was Mormon for 10 years.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Correct doctrine is important regarding the issue you brought up so that people don't get the wrong idea about earthly life and heavenly life. Marriage was not intended by God to last forever which was also addressed by Jesus the Christ:

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.

The statement you made "No one is forced to stay in a marriage" appears to be misleading and might be understood in different ways. I am assuming you are stating that because I made the true witness that male and female bodies are joined as one flesh. Jesus did correct some matters regarding divorce in the new testament. I will cover those scriptures now:

Mark 10:7 ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.

Matthew 5:31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

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I felt it was wise to address the above topics you were discussing with @lforrest as they related to the doctrine Jesus taught me which I posted in the OP and was part of the discussion. The above information from scripture gives more of the doctrine Jesus gave during the writing of the New Testament.

I am aware that LDS (Mormons) have their own leaders they call "Prophets, Seers and Revelators" and I know you might have different views coming from those areas that do not reflect Jesus' statements in the New Testament. I know that as I was Mormon for 10 years.

Again: I respectfully and passionately disagree.