This thread will be shut down very soon if we get even one more complaint. Off topic bickering has to stop!
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It is an unruly class that I try to speak to. :)
True dat Epi. It is a good thread and do not want to shut yet another thread down because of immature bickering, after getting the same ole same ole over and over again, it gets tiring and irritation so much that I don't want to spend my own time reading posts. I hope we will not have to shut it down.
Behold
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You caused the chaos, so, you get the end result.
See, real Christians dont like it when you insult The Cross by saying, "" The Cross is not about FORGIVENESS"..
"" The Cross is not about FORGIVENESS"..
"" The Cross is not about FORGIVENESS"..
See that insult you personally gave Jesus ?
That's incredibly offensive to real Christians who actually understand The Cross of Christ as what God provided for the FORGIVENESS of their sin.. @Episkopos
You are ranting like a spoiled child instead of being mature enough to prove your assertion. A discussion group doesn't include throwing tantrums when your favourite toy is taken away.
If the class stopped shouting, I can PROVE that the gospel has been deviated away from the truth to serve the unruly flesh. But for that one needs to pay close attention. Not just cry out heresy, blasphemy and whatever else a mob does.
The horrible and foolish behaviour witnessed here is a direct result of not understanding what grace does....or what the gospel is about.
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The cross is not about forgiveness..it is about freedom from the bondage of sin, so that God doesn't have to keep forgiving us.
The Hebrew word for a release from debt is not the same word as for freedom. No, the release from debt is Shemitah. This is the sabbatical year where debt is forgiven. In Israel today that word means bankruptcy.
So when people think of being released from a debt, that is shemitah.
The word used to describe freedom (liberty) is not the same word. That word is "Deror" and is used to convey freedom from bondage...setting people free from jail. This is the word used by Jesus to proclaim the gospel. It is DEROR....not shemitah.
We know what a word means as it is used over many verses that give us a more accurate understanding.
Let's see how that word "deror" is used elsewhere.
Therefore thus saith the Lord; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty (deror), every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I proclaim a liberty (deror) for you, saith the Lord, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. Jer. 34: 17
Now see how God sees liberty (deror)...God can set us free or He can proclaim a freedom of evil to do bad things to us.
How can anyone mistake the word liberty for forgiveness? God is using liberty as a vengeance. Does that sound like forgiveness to you?
And who confuses the "statue of Liberty" with a "statue of forgiveness"?
One must note the evil displayed in justifying sinful flesh.
Being bankrupt in the faith means a constant need for forgiveness. A person who is forgiven, who is not set free to walk in victory by grace through faith....becomes a transgressor.
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. Gal. 2:18
How many times will we go bankrupt?
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. Gal. 2:17-18
The Hebrew word for a release from debt is not the same word as for freedom. No, the release from debt is Shemitah. This is the sabbatical year where debt is forgiven. In Israel today that word means bankruptcy.
So when people think of being released from a debt, that is shemitah.
The word used to describe freedom (liberty) is not the same word. That word is "Deror" and is used to convey freedom from bondage...setting people free from jail. This is the word used by Jesus to proclaim the gospel. It is DEROR....not shemitah.
We know what a word means as it is used over many verses that give us a more accurate understanding.
Let's see how that word "deror" is used elsewhere.
Therefore thus saith the Lord; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty (deror), every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I proclaim a liberty (deror) for you, saith the Lord, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. Jer. 34: 17
Now see how God sees liberty (deror)...God can set us free or He can proclaim a freedom of evil to do bad things to us.
How can anyone mistake the word liberty for forgiveness? God is using liberty as a vengeance. Does that sound like forgiveness to you?
And who confuses the "statue of Liberty" with a "statue of forgiveness"?
One must note the evil displayed in justifying sinful flesh.
Being bankrupt in the faith means a constant need for forgiveness. A person who is forgiven, who is not set free to walk in victory by grace through faith....becomes a transgressor.
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. Gal. 2:18
How many times will we go bankrupt?
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. Gal. 2:17-18
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mailmandan
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1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Amen. It's funny how so much is riding on the weight of one word. If we get the word wrong we miss out on life. But when we get the word right... our hearts line up with God and open the heavens. All from the seeming foolishness of preaching. :)
Behold
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You've proven that you have stated several times now...that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness".. @Episkopos
This is probably the only online forum that has the title "Christian" in it, that would allow you to teach that lie.
Behold
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When you teach that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness" then you are denying The Cross.
However, months ago when you referred to Jesus as : "Whipping boy", and then later posted your Salvation Testimony, and you never mentioned your sins were forgiven, and you never stated that you had trusted in Christ.... So, i realized that you have severe issues with The Cross of Christ... that your bizarre (Zion + Outer Man) theology is not going to resolve for you. @Episkopos
And that means there are still champions in he realm. ;) All is not completely lost. Darkness has not fully descended on the kingdom...and other such metaphors.
The mob wants to rule by their own designs...and on most forums like this, the bullies chase off the meek...and the truth is overturned. You are part of a mob...and you thrive on that kind of lawlessness. But that must be so so that the champions of truth stand out.
If you could see the role you are playing in the drama, you might ask for another role. Until then, as they say in show-business, break a leg! ;)
Behold
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You believe that because a Christian forum allows the heresy " The Cross is not about forgiveness" to be taught, that this proves that the forum is not "Lost'?
That's very interesting.
Behold
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You see Christianity as "role play"?
This explains why you're the "Actor".. playing the role of a teacher.
I see your point. @Episkopos
The opposite is true. The cross is about freedom from sin into holiness...into fellowship with God...to walk as Jesus walked...according to the power of the gospel.
All you are looking for is a continuing carte blanche to sin...a general amnesty for self-interested individuals. And that is what is catered to to get more people in the pews. More people, more money, more ecclesiastical power....but less truth and less love, and less power.
Jesus never forgave his disciples. ....or even Peter who denied Him. You are living on the wrong level, the carnal level. But Jesus did forgive the Romans who crucified Him. If you want so much to be forgiven, maybe when in Rome do as the Romans do?
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You condemn this forum? It allows you to rant and rave...why can't that be seen as being flexible?
Speaking of a lack of honesty...who wants to engage my post #686 ? Who cares for the meaning of words? 
Behold
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The Cross is where the Blood of Jesus meets the sin of Man, and the outcome is "Forgiveness" of sin".
See, if your sin is not forgiven, you are not born again, and you will not go to heaven.
Its interesting that you dont realize that what separates humanity from God, is unforgiven sin..
So, when you deny that Jesus's Cross is where this Forgiveness happens.. as...."Jesus is the one time Eternal Sacrifice for sin"... because "God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"...
Then whatever it is you are trusting in, to forgive your lifetime of sin, has failed you... @Episkopos
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Behold
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I responded to your comment, regarding the Forum. @Episkopos
You said regarding the fact that this place allows you to deny the Cross that "there are champions of the realm"
A.) Hardly.
Behold
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You posted again that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness".
Yes, we heard you the last 20x. @Episkopos
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