The social gospel?

[Eternally Grateful]

No one should look for a husband if they are Born Again...

I keep being amazed by things which you say. its like they pop up out of the blue.

God created marriage.. Why would we not seek for what God created

 

[Ritajanice]

Actions speak louder than words.. You should think before you say something..

I would also suggest, it is not a good thing to puff yourself up. as I have learned (to often the hard way) God has a habit of taking us down a peg or two when we start boasting

I am led by the Spirit..if you think I’m puffing myself up..that’s your opinion which is meaningless.

As for puffing up...you did that when you actually think you chose God!

A Born Again does not choose God..he chooses those he gives to the Son.

 

[Ritajanice]

C I keep being amazed by things which you say. its like they pop up out of the blue.

God created marriage.. Why would we not seek for what God created

No one should seek a husband if they are Born Again..we are spirit children..do you understand what that means?

Your posts makes no sense because it’s intellectual understanding.

You have imo no understanding of spiritual matters...zilch.

Plus you’ve proved it by saying the Bible is Alive in the Spirit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am led by the Spirit..if you think I’m puffing myself up..that’s your opinion which is meaningless.

Well thanks for your opinion

As for puffing up...you did that when you actually think you chose God!

I did not chose God. he chose me, and I recieved his salvation..

Again, Stop boasting that you know what everyone believes, you keep proving you do not know after all

A Born Again does not choose God..he chooses those he gives to the Son.

I never stated I chose God

Stop listing to men who have led you astray, and start listening to people you talk to.. You will stop making such foolish mistakes.

(and before you say you do not listen to men, It is a popular Calvinist technique to accuse those who reject Calvinism of choosing God..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No one should seek a husband if they are Born Again..we are spirit children..do you understand what that means?

Unfortunatly you do not

And If God brings us a spouse, Praise God..

Your posts makes no sense because it’s intellectual understanding.

I think the reason they do nto make sense is because your thinking is screwed up..

You have imo no understanding of spiritual matters...zilch.

lol well thanks for your opinion. But like epis. they are meaningless

Plus you’ve proved it by saying the Bible is Alive in the Spirit.

The bible is living

You prove your lack of spiritual understanding by saying the bible is dead. meaningless.

anyway, i digress.

Your hatred of me is well documented..

 

[PS95]

Of course we are to bring the gospel to those who we meet, but that does not have to include encouraging their ungodly practices. We meet a murderer and listen to how he kills his victims?

Of course not, but if she had shunned him for his (sin?) she will never ever reach him. She should have acted like an uptight holier than thou Christian who rejects those in the world due to their sin? We could talk with no one!! Allow the Holy Spirit to convict him when the time is right. Do you see what I'm saying?

 

[Hepzibah]

Of course not, but if she had shunned him for his (sin?) she will never ever reach him. She should have acted like an uptight holier than thou Christian who rejects those in the world due to their sin? We could talk with no one!! Allow the Holy Spirit to convict him when the time is right. Do you see what I'm saying?

No I don't as you are seeing things as black v white. She could have quickly turned the subject to something else. Talking about violence is something we as Christian are told to avoid.

I mean, she could have excused herself from that subject in an inoffensive way by saying she did not like the sport.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well thanks for your opinion

I did not chose God. he chose me, and I recieved his salvation..

Again, Stop boasting that you know what everyone believes, you keep proving you do not know after all

I never stated I chose God

Stop listing to men who have led you astray, and start listening to people you talk to.. You will stop making such foolish mistakes.

(and before you say you do not listen to men, It is a popular Calvinist technique to accuse those who reject Calvinism of choosing God..

Well thanks for your opinion

I did not chose God. he chose me, and I recieved his salvation..

Again, Stop boasting that you know what everyone believes, you keep proving you do not know after all

If anyone boasts it you, with your ridiculous self righteous knowledge..

I never stated I chose God

Not going there again with you..I know exactly what you stated..when you believe you become Born Again.

Stop listing to men who have led you astray, and start listening to people you talk to.. You will stop making such foolish mistakes.

No man has ever led me Astray....stop telling me you know me..you don’t...everything you say is hypocritical and self righteous nonsense...you’re in “ yourself “ ..” you’re “all over the forum...

(and before you say you do not listen to men, It is a popular Calvinist technique to accuse those who reject Calvinism of choosing God..

I am led by the Spirit Of God...not by some indoctrinated person like you , who is always condemning others on many threads.

Beating himself on the chest..taking all the glory away from God...you’re self righteous self serving and I pray that God knocks you off your perch...

 

[Ritajanice]

Of course not, but if she had shunned him for his (sin?) she will never ever reach him. She should have acted like an uptight holier than thou Christian who rejects those in the world due to their sin? We could talk with no one!! Allow the Holy Spirit to convict him when the time is right. Do you see what I'm saying?

Exactly..pray the Lord opens her eyes and ears.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I think actions speak louder than words.

If we say we love someone, yet our actions speak different. our words are meaningless.

If we say we do not need we only need God's love and do not care about what others think, then go off the deep end when someone disagrees with you like some do. Well again, actions speak louder than words.

I do not see this from you. You seem from what I have seen to say what you feel. and back up those with actions.. even if we disagree.

I agree wholeheartedly about actions speak louder than words. Which circles back to our first interaction on this thread when you asked me about looking back and how I knew I was wrong. How even from ten and reciting the prayer over and over throughout the years, why I thought I was wrong about His hearing me asking Him to come into my heart. I still agree maybe I was wrong about His hearing the prayer of a ten year old girl. I thought a lot about what you asked. I wanted to say maybe I asked amiss. With ulterior motives. But remembering at ten and being alone in my grandpas living room, asking God to come…I don’t think I had ulterior motives. But over the years hopping in and out from this church and that church. Then not even caring at all about anything pertaining to God. All the times saying the prayer accepting him into my heart, I’m sure there was ulterior motives then as I grew older. But I only meant something changed about seven years ago to where I could look back and see I didn’t know God at all. Truthfully, I think I hated God. Or at the very least I was scared to death of God. that is all I meant to say concerning …actions speak louder than words. I wholeheartedly believe that. It explains perfectly how I knew I was wrong. I could see the actions. Romans 6:21 always stands out seeing those actions speaking louder than words…”What fruit had you then in those things whereof you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.”

People may say that only applies to a certain people…or time …or whatever. But Paul’s words ring true. Seeing the fruit of things you are now ashamed of. The end of those things death. …speaks louder than words yea? Bring me to “ok God I get it. You have fully persuaded me. I agree. Let’s put that out.” Love 1 Peter 2:3 “…if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If anyone boasts it you, with your ridiculous self righteous knowledge..

Wow, How long did it take you to come up with this? How old are you again?

Not going there again with you..I know exactly what you stated..when you believe you become Born Again.

You did not become born again? Thius does not even make any sense.

And there is no place to go. You falsely accused again, Because you never listen to anything anyone says, Unlike what you said earlier. You act on feelings. Thats why i called you out.

No man has ever led me Astray....stop telling me you know me..you don’t...everything you say is hypocritical and self righteous nonsense...you’re in “ yourself “ ..” you’re “all over the forum...

lol.. Keep believing that. while you spout words of men when accusing people of things

I am led by the Spirit Of God...not by some indoctrinated person like you , who is always condemning others on many threads.

I do not know who your led by, But its not the spirit. you would not act the way you do if you were.

Beating himself on the chest..taking all the glory away from God...you’re self righteous self serving and I pray that God knocks you off your perch...

You need to talk to Epi about this

I boast in God. everything I say is about god. I take myself out of the equation. Because I am but a mere mortal man who continues to need to be held by God or I would be lost..

But thanks for your silly accusations. I would back away now. Your anger is showing..

 

[Ritajanice]

Unfortunatly you do not

And If God brings us a spouse, Praise God..

God will bring us a husband/ wife..if it’s his will...

I think the reason they do nto make sense is because your thinking is screwed up..

If my thinking is screwed up...then I dread to think what thinking this is..the Bible is Alive in the Spirit....next it will grow legs and walk away in the Spirit...

lol well thanks for your opinion. But like epis. they are meaningless

As are yours.

The bible is living

The Bible is NOT Living..it’s penned...you need to know God’s Witness His Living Holy Spirit...you need a divine visitation...not a Bible penned word visitation.

You prove your lack of spiritual understanding by saying the bible is dead. meaningless.

You lie ..I never said the Bible is meaningless, you said I said that....you can’t even explain the spirit birth...by the penned word let alone by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit....

anyway, i digress.

Your hatred of me is well documented..

Once again your accusations ...speaking for me that I hate you.

You are so insecure within yourself...you wouldn’t say such things if you were secure in God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Wow, How long did it take you to come up with this? How old are you again?

You did not become born again? Thius does not even make any sense.

I became Born Again exactly as the word says...you did not..you added to Gods word.

And there is no place to go. You falsely accused again, Because you never listen to anything anyone says, Unlike what you said earlier. You act on feelings. Thats why i called you out.

Once again..false accusations..I act in the Spirit and will continue to do so...

lol.. Keep believing that. while you spout words of men when accusing people of things

I do not know who your led by, But its not the spirit. you would not act the way you do if you were.

I don’t give 2 hoots who you think I’m led by......once again playing his child like emotional card...you’re all about self and condemnation of others who don’t agree with your manmade doctrine..

You need to talk to Epi about this

Talk about what...here we go again off on his emotional trip again.

I boast in God. everything I say is about god. I take myself out of the equation. Because I am but a mere mortal man who continues to need to be held by God or I would be lost..

You boast in self and you have the audacity to accuse Epi And myself of boasting..reread your posts for heavens sake...

But thanks for your silly accusations. I would back away now. Your anger is showing..

Once again he’s accusing me of being angry...playing his feelings card..when are you ever going to grow up. In the Spirit.

Let’s get one thing straight...there is no inferiority in me ....you are not my superior...as you try and stamp all over the forum....your superiority!...it don’t wash with me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree wholeheartedly about actions speak louder than words. Which circles back to our first interaction on this thread when you asked me about looking back and how I knew I was wrong. How even from ten and reciting the prayer over and over throughout the years, why I thought I was wrong about His hearing me asking Him to come into my heart.

This sounds earily familiar. I begged god for over a year to save me from hell.. But I know I was not yet saved.. because I had not yet understood completely what it meant..

I still agree maybe I was wrong about His hearing the prayer of a ten year old girl. I thought a lot about what you asked. I wanted to say maybe I asked amiss. With ulterior motives. But remembering at ten and being alone in my grandpas living room, asking God to come…I don’t think I had ulterior motives. But over the years hopping in and out from this church and that church. Then not even caring at all about anything pertaining to God. All the times saying the prayer accepting him into my heart, I’m sure there was ulterior motives then as I grew older. But I only meant something changed about seven years ago to where I could look back and see I didn’t know God at all. Truthfully, I think I hated God. Or at the very least I was scared to death of God. that is all I meant to say concerning …actions speak louder than words. I wholeheartedly believe that. It explains perfectly how I knew I was wrong. I could see the actions. Romans 6:21 always stands out seeing those actions speaking louder than words…”What fruit had you then in those things whereof you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.”

Interesting.

I think that was my issue, until I walked forward and someone took me aside and gave me the gospel. I too was afraid. and all of my praying had to do with that fear (Keep me out of hell)

I have been in and out also. of many churches, and as I look back. I was in and out of a relationship with God also.. I even walked away for 5 years. and went into the world (sex drugs and rock and roll were my fun)

one thing I do know. as I look back. God never left me.. I can see him working in my life to bring me back, even at my darkest time, in fact. he did what he had to and brought me to my knees, and at that very moment, placed my best friend growing up I led to Christ as a teenager to reach out to me,, And I responded and came back. (i had not heard from my friend in a decade) So I know it was God..

People may say that only applies to a certain people…or time …or whatever. But Paul’s words ring true. Seeing the fruit of things you are now ashamed of. The end of those things death. …speaks louder than words yea? I’m ok God I get it. You have fully persuaded me. I agree. Let’s put that out. Love 1 Peter 2:3 “…if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.”

Amen, but also remember

Paul killed christians for a living, He did n0ot focus on his sin, or his past. but he always looked forward.. Thats what being forgiven is, As the word says, he puts our sins as far as the east is from the rest. Our sins and lawful deeds he remembers no more

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I became Born Again exactly as the word says...you did not..you added to Gods word.

Actually Yes I did, and I could care less if you think so or not

Please stop. YOUR NOT GOD..

Once again..false accusations..I act in the Spirit and will continue to do so...

I don’t give 2 hoots who you think I’m led by......once again playing his child like emotional card...you’re all about self and condemnation of others who don’t agree with your manmade doctrine..

Talk about what...here we go again off on his emotional trip again.

You boast in self and you have the audacity to accuse Epi And myself of boasting..reread your posts for heavens sake...

Once again he’s accusing me of being angry...playing his feelings card..when are you ever going to grow up. In the Spirit.

Let’s get one thing straight...there is no inferiority in me ....you are not my superior...as you try and stamp all over the forum....your superiority!...it don’t wash with me.

And the rest of your comments are just child games.

Grow up!!!

 

[Ritajanice]

Actually Yes I did, and I could care less if you think so or not

Please stop. YOUR NOT GOD..

Neither are you ...then stop quoting me ..you started the ball rolling?

If you think you are going to make false accusations against me,,you best think again...I will come back at you.

And the rest of your comments are just child games.

Grow up!!!

Here we go again...LOL.

 

[marks]

These consolations are often withdrawn, and a state of desolation ensues, and then the passive purification of the senses begins.

So ultimately purification, illumination, deification—it’s not the pursuit of enlightenment; it’s the pursuit of love: the love of God.

This was the post that caught my attention.

These consolations are often withdrawn, and a state of desolation ensues, and then the passive purification of the senses begins.

This seems a succinct description of God's working in my being at times. I've got the childhood traumas thing, with lots of healing needed, and lot's that God has done. For me, it's not so much the pursuit of love, it's the pursuit of God Himself. Fleshy corruptions which affect my mind prevent me from having the relationship with God that I desire, so it's in peeling away the effects of those corruptions that liberates my soul to follow after my spirit in communion with my Creator.

I feel like I'm in a lifelong healing process, or at least, it's still not completed.

But then at the same time, I've found that consciously setting my mind on God, in the awareness of His love for me, and that Jesus has fully reconciled me to God . . . relying completely on this truth . . . it renders the corruption null and void, like it never was, aside from the understanding gained from such life experiences. But that corruption has no power over me, and I, in these times, am completely free from such things, and completely free to enjoy Jesus, and to walk in the Spirit's fruit in me, love, joy, peace, self-control, and so forth.

I find then two states of living. One is where I'm in an upward motion of growth, over the years coming to experience greater control of my thoughts and feelings and actions, becoming more inclined towards righteousness, like that.

The other seems more described by how I hear of others speak of Theosis, though I have a different understanding, and don't apply that particular word, rather that this is walking in the Spirit by faith, the faith of Christ, by which we are justified.

I don't see the faith of Christ as something He withholds, rather, I understand that in becoming born again, we are united to God, that Jesus lives in us, actually sharing His life with us.

"I have been co-crucified with Christ, yet I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me" . . . I believe this describes the true state of every regenerate spirit . . . "and the life I live, I live by the faith of the Son of God, Who loves me, and gave Himself for me" . . . I believe this describes Paul's life, and can describe our lives, IF "the life I live" is actually being lived by the faith of Christ, that is, in walking in His Spirit, living out His life through our own, doing the pre-ordained works (we each have a certain path we are to walk, not just any path), empowered not by our own faith, but His faith, shared with us. He shares with us His character. He shares with us His power. He shares with us His working. He shares with us Himself.

I think that God is restoring health to my physical, soulish, being, and when I'm not necessarily walking in the Spirit it's nonetheless easier to follow my conscience, and what I believe God intends for me. He also trains me in faith, so that I can recognize and walk in my liberty in Christ.

Much love!

 

[Wynona]

Praying for peace to come. I want to say this carefully...

Multiple multiple people are breaking the forum rule about not implying or saying that someone who calls themselves a Christian is not a Christian. Not choosing sides here, just a reminder that that sort of thing shuts down discussion, leads to strife, and gets threads locked.

I doubt anything I say could help at this point. People seem to side step appeals to behave with love or patience. And just mentioning the rules and the threat of a closed thread doesn't seem to work either.

God help us. No one wants to think that they contribute to strife. They want to point the finger and rapid fire post. Its not just one or two. There is a lot of gaslighting and narcissism that goes on that I usually throw up my hands at and ignore.

But I care about these things, if for no other reason than it dishonors the faith in front of onlookers when we can't let go of an issue and seek to have the last word at all costs.

Please do not point fingers if you respond to this. Its not just one or even two members. Just please think about what your posts are accomplishing and whether it's working. You can only control your own actions, not anyone elses. Why can't we lead by example?

If you think another member should be more humble...demonstrate what it sounds like. That would be such a wonderful display of Christ in us.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Neither are you ...then stop quoting me ..you started the ball rolling?

I am not falsly accusing you

If you think you are going to make false accusations against me,,you best think again...

I am not. YOUR the one making fasle accusations.

Do I need to report you for lying about others again?

I will come back at you.

Next time, Prove your silly accusations.. I always prove mine..

Here we go again...LOL.

Yeah, Stop acting out because you hate me, If you can;t stand me, then walk away, how many times have I asked you to do this?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Praying for peace to come. I want to say this carefully...

Multiple multiple people are breaking the forum rule about not implying or saying that someone who calls themselves a Christian is not a Christian. Not choosing sides here, just a reminder that that sort of thing shuts down discussion, leads to strife, and gets threads locked.

I doubt anything I say could help at this point. People seem to side step appeals to behave with love or patience. And just mentioning the rules and the threat of a closed thread doesn't seem to work either.

Hey sis. If I am one of those people forgive me

I honestly do not thinking a thread being closed helps.. because the issue just moved to another thread. I wish there was another way we could encounter and try to stop these things

God help us. No one wants to think that they contribute to strife. They want to point the finger and rapid fire post. Its not just one or two. There is a lot of gaslighting and narcissism that goes on that I usually throw up my hands at and ignore.

But I care about these things, if for no other reason than it dishonors the faith in front of onlookers when we can't let go of an issue and seek to have the last word at all costs.

I ask again, Is ther anything we can do about these. even if it is my post, is there a way we can delete these posts (the mods that is ) and warn the user. I know another chatroom I was in would do this. This stopped alot of the bickering and the back and forth

Please do not point fingers if you respond to this. Its not just one or even two members. Just please think about what your posts are accomplishing and whether it's working. You can only control your own actions, not anyone elses. Why can't we lead by example?

If you think another member should be more humble...demonstrate what it sounds like. That would be such a wonderful display of Christ in us.

Amen sis, thank you for the reminder