What did Jesus die to save us from?
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In our bad English translation, yes. The word and concept are pagan in origin. When was hell invented?
What does the NT Greek say?
Bibles and New Testaments that do NOT contain the word "Hell".
Scarlett's N.T. (1798)
The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823)
Young's Literal Translation (1891)
Twentieth Century New Testament (1900)
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (reprinted, 1902)
Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903)
Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903)
The New Testament, James Moffat, (1917)
Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917)
Panin's Numeric English New Testament (1914)
The New Testament, Charles B. Williams, 1937
The People's New Covenant (Overbury, 1925)
Hanson's New Covenant (1884)
Western N.T. (1926)
NT of our Lord and Savior Anointed (Tomanek, 1958)
Concordant Literal NT (1983)
he N.T., A Translation (Clementson, 1938)
Emphatic Diaglott, Greek/English Interlinear (Wilson, 1942)
New American Bible (1970)
Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976)
Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures, Old Testament (1985)
The New Testament, A New Translation (Greber, 1980)
Christian Bible (1991)
The Scriptures (1993)
World English Bible (in progress)
Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha [NT Only]
Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation)
Zondervan Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1975)**
Int. NASB-NIV Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1993)**
A Critical Paraphrase of the N.T. by Vincent T. Roth (1960)
New Testament, Recovery Version, Living Stream Ministry, 1991
New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE)
Roman Catholic Holy Bible In Its Original Order, Fred R. Coulter, 2007
Etymological N.T. (An Ultra Literal Translation, 2011, Michael Wine)
Aramaic Peshitta New Testament, 2006, Janet M. Magiera
MirrorWord N.T. (Francois du Toit) still in translation
Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ, Electronic Ver. (Tentmaker Ministries)
The Source N.T. (Dr. Ann Nyland), 2004, 2007
Jonathan Mitchell N.T. (Jonathan Mitchell) 2009
The Scriptures, 2016
Tree of Life Version, Baker Bookhouse, 2016******
The New Testament (David Bentley Hart) Yale University Press, 2017
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Behold
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Still trying to correct the word of God with the non original Greek?
You do love that self appointed Throne @St. SteVen
So, here is how to get an understanding of when and why Hell was created.
"Hell was created for the Devil and His Angels'..
A.) That was before Adam was created.
Hard for me to imagine a worse thing to lay at God's doorstep. (as the saying goes)
Souls that refused a free gift tormented by burning forever with no hope of escape. What could be more sadistic than that?
No human tyrant has committed such an atrocity on humankind.
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Behold
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Christ rejectors, never born again, chose to go where they will end up.
Christ rejectors, never born again.... CHOSE to NOT go to Heaven.
So, there is a place for them, with THEIR Father, as God is not their Spiritual Father, as He requires you to become "born again" if He is to become your Heavenly Father.
Do you understand this @St. SteVen ?
Unbelievers, never born again, do not exist "In Christ' and so, their is a place for them, and for their Father the Devil.
Now....Its strange that people who claim the name of Jesus, want Christ rejectors "up there" with the Children of God who Trusted in Christ.
A.) That is not going to happen.
So, i see this as a very strange deception that some have, who resist the Truth regarding the creation of Hell, and regarding who is going to end up there and why. @St. SteVen
Johann
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Makes me wonder why the Modern Translations cut away this important word.
Hell
The place of disembodied spirits
Act_2:31;
Which Christ visited
Luk_23:43; Act_2:31; 1Pe_3:19;
Contains, a place of rest, Abraham's bosom
Luk_16:23;
Paradise
Luk_23:43;
And a place of torment
Luk_16:23;
The place of future punishment
Destruction from the presence of God
2Th_1:9;
DESCRIBED AS
Everlasting punishment
Mat_25:46;
Everlasting fire
Mat_25:41;
Everlasting burnings
Isa_33:14;
A furnace of fire
Mat_13:42; Mat_13:50;
A lake of fire
Rev_20:15;
Fire and brimstone
Rev_14:10;
Unquenchable fire
Mat_3:12;
Devouring fire
Isa_33:14;
Prepared for the devil, &c
Mat_25:41;
Devils are confined in, until the judgment day
2Pe_2:4; Jud_1:6;
Punishment of, is eternal
Isa_33:14; Rev_20:10;
The wicked shall be turned into
Psa_9:17;
Human power cannot preserve from
Eze_32:27;
The body suffers in
Mat_5:29; Mat_10:28;
The soul suffers in
Mat_10:28;
The wise avoid
Pro_15:24;
Endeavour to keep others from
Pro_23:14; Jud_1:23;
The society of the wicked leads to
Pro_5:5; Pro_9:18;
The beast, false prophets, and the devil shall be cast into
Rev_19:20; Rev_20:10;
The powers of, cannot prevail against the Church
Mat_16:18;
Illustrated
Isa_30:33;
Torrey.
Carl Emerson
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Peshitta - Rev 20
7And whenever the 1000 years are finished, Satan will be released from his imprisonment, 8And he will go forth to seduce all the nations in the four corners of The Earth: Gog and Magog, to gather them to war, those whose number is as the sand of The Sea. 9And they went to war upon an open place of The Earth and surrounded the city of the camp of The Holy People and of The Beloved City, and fire descended from Heaven from God and consumed them. 10And their Seducer, The Devil, was cast into The Lake of Fire and Brimstone where The Beast and The False Prophet are, and they shall be tormented day and night for the eternity of eternities.
11And I saw a Great White Throne and him sitting at the top of it, from whose face Earth and Heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, who stood before the throne, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is of The Judgment, and the dead were judged from those things that were written in the scrolls, according to their works. 13And the Sea yielded the dead which were in it, and Death and Sheol yielded the dead which were with them, and they were judged, one by one, according to their works. 14And Death and Sheol were cast into The Lake of Fire- this which is the second death. 15And whoever was not found inscribed in The Book of Life was cast into The Lake of Fire.
Rev 22
18“I testify to everyone who hears the word of the prophecy of this book: Whoever will place upon these things, God shall place upon him the plagues that are written in this book.” 19“And whoever subtracts from the words of the Scripture of this prophecy, God shall subtract his part from The Tree of Life and from The Holy City, those things which are written in this book.”
7And whenever the 1000 years are finished, Satan will be released from his imprisonment, 8And he will go forth to seduce all the nations in the four corners of The Earth: Gog and Magog, to gather them to war, those whose number is as the sand of The Sea. 9And they went to war upon an open place of The Earth and surrounded the city of the camp of The Holy People and of The Beloved City, and fire descended from Heaven from God and consumed them. 10And their Seducer, The Devil, was cast into The Lake of Fire and Brimstone where The Beast and The False Prophet are, and they shall be tormented day and night for the eternity of eternities.
11And I saw a Great White Throne and him sitting at the top of it, from whose face Earth and Heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, who stood before the throne, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is of The Judgment, and the dead were judged from those things that were written in the scrolls, according to their works. 13And the Sea yielded the dead which were in it, and Death and Sheol yielded the dead which were with them, and they were judged, one by one, according to their works. 14And Death and Sheol were cast into The Lake of Fire- this which is the second death. 15And whoever was not found inscribed in The Book of Life was cast into The Lake of Fire.
Rev 22
18“I testify to everyone who hears the word of the prophecy of this book: Whoever will place upon these things, God shall place upon him the plagues that are written in this book.” 19“And whoever subtracts from the words of the Scripture of this prophecy, God shall subtract his part from The Tree of Life and from The Holy City, those things which are written in this book.”
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Johann
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Many more references of Sheol, Tartarus, Hades and the amazing thing is that Jesus Himself mentioned Hades and Sheol more than any other writer.
quietthinker
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What do you make of this?
Ephesians 2:4-5 NIV
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—
it is by grace you have been saved.
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How many caveats are there to salvation?
What does it mean to subtract from "the words of the Scripture of this prophecy"?
If a person's name already appeared in the Book of Life, would it be removed?
What about the unforgivable sin? And OSAS? Enduring until the end?
What became of salvation purchased by Christ for all? Not enough? Not paid in full? Insufficient payment?
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Stumpmaster
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quietthinker
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All humanity has been restored IN JESUS.....especially those who believe.
This restoration of all people is God's Glory....it is unprecedented.....unheard of
Many/ most don't care for this restoration, they even despise and twist it and misrepresent it by making it conditional upon something that Man does/ believes but the good news is ever present and goes out regardless.
In the final analysis, those who have no interest in this gob smacking free gift given them will perish by their own hand/ choices and those who believe will be rescued off this dying/ self destroying planet when Jesus returns
Ritajanice
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Eternal damnation, being alienated from the Spirit of God.
I was once alienated from God, my spirit was alienated, the most dreadful place to be, I didn’t even know it, not until by His Mercy and Grace He made my spirit Born Again via His witness His Living Holy Spirit.
Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.
I could NEVER repay the Lord for bringing my spirit from death into His Life.
Praise God / Jesus all day every day.....for saving our spirit from eternal damnation!
God is Spirit our spirit will see Him in His full Glory, when this earthly tented we live in dies and goes back into the ground from whence it came.
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, New Living Translation Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. English Standard Version And you were dead in the trespasses and sins Berean Standard Bible And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, Berean Literal Bible And you, being dead in your trespasses and sins-- King James Bible And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; New King James Version And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, |
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St. SteVen said:
I was raised evangelical, but find myself questioning much of what we were taught in church.
As I grew older I discovered that not everyone agreed on what the Bible teaches.
The good thing about evangelicalism was that reading and studying the Bible were important skills to learn.
This gave me the ability to navigate quite a bit of the contradicting doctrines and practices out there.
And the study I did as a young man still remains to this day.
Oftentimes I'll read a post on the forum and a scripture will be brought to mind.
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I was raised evangelical, but find myself questioning much of what we were taught in church.
Good question.
As I grew older I discovered that not everyone agreed on what the Bible teaches.
The good thing about evangelicalism was that reading and studying the Bible were important skills to learn.
This gave me the ability to navigate quite a bit of the contradicting doctrines and practices out there.
And the study I did as a young man still remains to this day.
Oftentimes I'll read a post on the forum and a scripture will be brought to mind.
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Carl Emerson
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Nothing in the passage is offensive. I'm objecting to bad translation, bad interpretation, and bad conclusions.
Especially the use of this chapter to condemn anyone that would disagree with a personal interpretation of the whole Bible.
"You can't add or subtract. Says so in Revelation," Haven't translators already transgressed that foolish claim?
Continue your attempts to corner me though. Some day you might succeed. - LOL
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And I'm objecting to you accusing all of our Bible translations to be wrong. What are your credentials?
Would you ask the Apostles for credentials?
Acts 4:13 NIV
When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men,
they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.
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