Time frames we have to work with

[Douggg]

In order to put all the events of the end times together into one timeline, we have been given a number of time frames to work with.

I am going to list the ones I can think of. And if you have an opinion or want to add, please make a post.

1 week (7 years) - Daniel 9:27

1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5

3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11

5 months - Revelation 9:10

1290 days, 1335 days - Daniel 12:11-12

time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25. Daniel 12:7

2300 days - Daniel 8:14

7 years - Ezekiel 39:9

7 months - Ezekiel 39:12

1000 years - Revelation 20:4, Revelation 20:7

 

[Douggg]

Of those time frames, these are the ones, in my view, that end on the day of Jesus's return.

1 week (7 years) - Daniel 9:27

42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5

1335 days - Daniel 12:12

time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25. Daniel 12:7

2300 days - Daniel 8:14

7 years - Ezekiel 39:9

 

[Jay Ross]

@Douggg the first timeframe that should be provided to understand what and when the end time events take place is: -

Q. 1: - Hold long in years is the duration of the seventh age?

before we can start to answer the following questions.

Q. 2. - How long if the period of peace during the Seventh Age?
Q. 3. - In what year of the seventh age is the bottomless pit unlocked.
Q. 4. - In what year do the kings of the earth begin to gather at Armageddon to be judged?
Q. 5. - In what year of the Seventh Age are the heavenly hosts judged and imprisoned?

There are more questions that can be asked but these few can be used by you to kick the discussion.

Shalom

 

[Douggg]

@Douggg the first timeframe that should be provided to understand what and when the end time events take place is: -

Q. 1: - Hold long in years is the duration of the seventh age?

before we can start to answer the following questions.

Q. 2. - How long if the period of peace during the Seventh Age?
Q. 3. - In what year of the seventh age is the bottomless pit unlocked.
Q. 4. - In what year do the kings of the earth begin to gather at Armageddon to be judged?
Q. 5. - In what year of the Seventh Age are the heavenly hosts judged and imprisoned?

There are more questions that can be asked but these few can be used by you to kick the discussion.

Shalom

Your post reminded about the 1000 years of Revelation 20. So I added the 1000 years to the list in the opening post.

 

[Douggg]

Q. 1: - Hold long in years is the duration of the seventh age?

I think you will have to explain what you mean by the seventh age, and what bible verse(s) has the seventh age term in the text.

I think you may be talking about a term that Augustine came up with in a theory he developed. If it is not in the bible, cant' do much with it.

I think it is important to stick with the terms of the bible, like time of the end.

 

[Jay Ross]

I think you will have to explain what you mean by the seventh age, and what bible verse(s) has the seventh age term in the text.

Dan 12:7 tells us that there are three and a half ages from the time of Daniel until the GWTR judgement.

Isaiah 58: 13 speaks of the seventh age as a Sabath day of the Lord that comes into play after Israel is redeemed.

The Hebrew Root word H:1775 has the meaning of a Generation which also the same duration as and Age and a Day of the Lord and its duration in years with respect to Man's time frame of reference in years is the same number that can be counted on the ten digits on a man's hands.

Exodus 20:4-6 tells us that if Israel worships idols, then this iniquity of the fathers during the first and second generation/age of the fathers of Israel will be visited upon their children and the children's children during the third and fourth age of the existence of Israel from the time of the birth of Isaac.

Lamentation 6 speaks of this time span of th fifth and six age of mankind which will be followed by a seventh age.

Hosea 6:1-3 also speaks oof this same time span.

Sadly, because of the longtime spans involved we, i.e., mankind, have a great problem getting our heads around such a long time spans that are longer than 3,000 years before the final fulfilment before the start of the Age of Eternity.

If we can establish when God's presence filled Solomon's temple with respect to when Adam was created by God and add the 4,000 years described in the prophecy of Ezekiel 47:1-12 we can determine when the final judgement will take place.

It is my belief that Armageddon will occur in around 20 years from now. After the judgement of the Gentile king who have been actively involved in the trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts for 2,300 years that all of Israel will be redeemed/saved.

It is after this that God will make it seem like new again, the same covenant that He had entered into at Mt Sinai with Israel which they openly rebelled against.

For me all of the pieces begin to fall into place when we consider the timeline from Adam to this present time as well as the future events that will lead up to the GWTR Judgement.

Douggg, because you do not have the ability to put together the timeline from Adam up to the final judgement, nothing will make any sense to you.

Shalom

 

[grafted branch]

In order to put all the events of the end times together into one timeline, we have been given a number of time frames to work with.

I am going to list the ones I can think of. And if you have an opinion or want to add, please make a post.

1 week (7 years) - Daniel 9:27

1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5

3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11

5 months - Revelation 9:10

1290 days, 1335 days - Daniel 12:11-12

time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25. Daniel 12:7

2300 days - Daniel 8:14

7 years - Ezekiel 39:9

7 months - Ezekiel 39:12

1000 years - Revelation 20:4, Revelation 20:7

Revelation 8:1 silence in heaven for about the space of half an hour.

Revelation 17:12 receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

There is also eternity, which isn’t a period of time that ends. So certain things that are eternal can’t end. For example the Daniel 9:24 everlasting righteousness, if this has already happened then your eschatological view can’t have a future time period where it isn’t present. On the other hand if you have everlasting righteousness only occurring at some future point then your eschatological view can’t have it presently existing.

There is also the Revelation 10:6 statement of “there should be time no longer”. Maybe this kind of time statement fits into a “time important” category but not a “time frame” category. I suppose there are many “time important” statements such as the Revelation 11:14 statement that the third woe comes quickly, meaning the third woe has to somehow be quicker than the first two or perhaps there is a delay between the second and third woe or whatever. I don’t know how beneficial it would be to try to include at least some “time important” elements into your timeline.

 

[Randy Kluth]

In order to put all the events of the end times together into one timeline, we have been given a number of time frames to work with.

I am going to list the ones I can think of. And if you have an opinion or want to add, please make a post.

1 week (7 years) - Daniel 9:27

1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5

3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11

5 months - Revelation 9:10

1290 days, 1335 days - Daniel 12:11-12

time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25. Daniel 12:7

2300 days - Daniel 8:14

7 years - Ezekiel 39:9

7 months - Ezekiel 39:12

1000 years - Revelation 20:4, Revelation 20:7

These are time frames that *some people think* are "endtime." I, in fact, do not believe that Daniel's 70th "Week" or the 1290, 1335, and 2300 days are part of the endtimes. In my view, the 70th Week was completed as a half Week when the Roman leader brought an end to offerings under the Law. That happened when he put Christ to death.

The 1290 days was similar to the 3.5 years, but applied to Antiochus 4 whereas the 3.5 years applied to the Antichrist. Beyond this I agree with your endtimes numbers. They are all certainly relevant in any discussion about what "may" be endtime prophecy.

 

[Douggg]

These are time frames that *some people think* are "endtime." I, in fact, do not believe that Daniel's 70th "Week" or the 1290, 1335, and 2300 days are part of the endtimes. In my view, the 70th Week was completed as a half Week when the Roman leader brought an end to offerings under the Law. That happened when he put Christ to death.

The 1290 days was similar to the 3.5 years, but applied to Antiochus 4 whereas the 3.5 years applied to the Antichrist. Beyond this I agree with your endtimes numbers. They are all certainly relevant in any discussion about what "may" be endtime prophecy.

Randy, of those time frames listed in the opening post, which ones do you think end on the day that Jesus returns ?

(see post #2)

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 8:1 silence in heaven for about the space of half an hour.

Revelation 17:12 receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

There is also eternity, which isn’t a period of time that ends. So certain things that are eternal can’t end. For example the Daniel 9:24 everlasting righteousness, if this has already happened then your eschatological view can’t have a future time period where it isn’t present. On the other hand if you have everlasting righteousness only occurring at some future point then your eschatological view can’t have it presently existing.

There is also the Revelation 10:6 statement of “there should be time no longer”. Maybe this kind of time statement fits into a “time important” category but not a “time frame” category. I suppose there are many “time important” statements such as the Revelation 11:14 statement that the third woe comes quickly, meaning the third woe has to somehow be quicker than the first two or perhaps there is a delay between the second and third woe or whatever. I don’t know how beneficial it would be to try to include at least some “time important” elements into your timeline.

grafted branch, of those time frames listed in the opening post, which ones do you think end on the day that Jesus returns ?

(see post #2)

 

[Randy Kluth]

Randy, of those time frames listed in the opening post, which ones do you think end on the day that Jesus returns ?

(see post #2)

Randy, of those time frames listed in the opening post, which ones do you think end on the day that Jesus returns ?

(see post #2)

As I said, the 1290 days, the 1335 days, and the 2300 days refer to Antiochus 4 event.
The 1260 days, 42 months, and 3.5 years refer to the Reign of Antichrist, but do *not* refer to the last day of the age.

I believe Antichrist's reign of 3.5 years over the world ends before he actually is defeated, which will be on the day Christ returns. The collapse of his world Empire coincides with the beginning of the the run up to Armageddon. A mobilization of armies from the East to Armageddon, Israel, would likely take many months.

The Week in Eze 39.9 may indeed start on the day after Jesus returns. The Millennium will start at that time, as well. Not arguing--just my current opinions.

 

[Douggg]

As I said, the 1290 days, the 1335 days, and the 2300 days refer to Antiochus 4 event.
The 1260 days, 42 months, and 3.5 years refer to the Reign of Antichrist, but do *not* refer to the last day of the age.

I believe Antichrist's reign of 3.5 years over the world ends before he actually is defeated, which will be on the day Christ returns. The collapse of his world Empire coincides with the beginning of the the run up to Armageddon. A mobilization of armies from the East to Armageddon, Israel, would likely take many months.

The Week in Eze 39.9 may indeed start on the day after Jesus returns. The Millennium will start at that time, as well. Not arguing--just my current opinions.

Randy, could you put the time frames that you think end the day that Jesus returns, in list form like I did in post #2 ?

Just copy and paste from the opening post list. That way we will have the scriptural reference of each time frame, as well.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Randy, could you put the time frames that you think end the day that Jesus returns, in list form like I did in post #2 ?

Just copy and paste from the opening post list. That way we will have the scriptural reference of each time frame, as well.

The difficulty with that is, it can easily be misleading. For example, I believe the time, times, and half a time mentioned in Dan 7, Dan 12, and the book of Revelation all relate to the reign of Antichrist in the endtimes. That means, the 1260 days of Antichrist's Reign is related to the last days.

But this may seem to many people and it has seemed to many people that Antichrist comes on the 1260th day of the Antichrist's reign. And they argue we are not to know the day that Christ returns!

So I argue that the Bible does *not* say that Christ defeats the Antichrist on the 1260th day of his reign. Clearly, the 2 Witnesses lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem for several days *after* the 1260th day of the Beast's reign! And that's when the Revelation begins to speak of the mobilization of the Eastern armies to Armageddon, which will take months.

So none of your time periods deal with the actual "day" of Christ's Coming, because we are not to know the day of his Coming.

 

[Douggg]

 

[Douggg]

For example, I believe the time, times, and half a time mentioned in Dan 7, Dan 12, and the book of Revelation all relate to the reign of Antichrist in the endtimes.

Does the time, times, half time reign of the Antichrist end the day that Jesus returns ?

 

[Douggg]

So none of your time periods deal with the actual "day" of Christ's Coming, because we are not to know the day of his Coming.

But we do know that there will be a day that Jesus returns, and the beast will be cast into the lake of fire. And Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit.

The 42 months in Revelation 13:5 are the beast king's reign.
The time, times, half time in Revelation 12:14 is how much time Satan will have left.

So both of those end the day that Jesus returns.

 

[Douggg]

 

[Davidpt]

In order to put all the events of the end times together into one timeline, we have been given a number of time frames to work with.

I am going to list the ones I can think of. And if you have an opinion or want to add, please make a post.

1 week (7 years) - Daniel 9:27

1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5

3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11

5 months - Revelation 9:10

1290 days, 1335 days - Daniel 12:11-12

time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25. Daniel 12:7

2300 days - Daniel 8:14

7 years - Ezekiel 39:9

7 months - Ezekiel 39:12

1000 years - Revelation 20:4, Revelation 20:7

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1 week (7 years) - Daniel 9:27
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Lately I'm not certain whether the entire 70th week is future or just the final half. What I am certain about is this, though. Following the end of the 70th week that is when we will see the bodily return of Christ eventually. And not this instead. At the end of the 70th week there are at least 2000 more years before the bodily return of Christ occurs.

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42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
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In my view this equals the last half of the 70th week. Therefore, my answer is the same as to my answer to the first one involving---1 week (7 years) - Daniel 9:27

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3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11
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This one is not easy since it likely is not meaning 3.5 literal days, but that it symbolizes something instead. Regardless what the case might be, at the end of this 3.5 days the bodily return of Christ soon follows. How soon after? Not certain. But it wouldn't be involving years, that years later the return of Christ occurs. When we are at the end of this 3.5 days, the bodily return of Christ is very near, not still years away instead.

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5 months - Revelation 9:10
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The bodily return of Christ does not happen at the end of this, obviously. So not certain what your point is by including this period of time? Revelation 9:10 is involving the 5th trumpet. Christ can't return until events involving the 6th trumpet are fulfilled first. Obviously, events occoring during the 6th trumpet can't precede events occurring during the 5th trumpet, though there could be some overlap maybe.

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1290 days, 1335 days - Daniel 12:11-12
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Christ can't return at the end of the 1290 days if there is still another 45 days that follow. Therefore, day 1335 is meaning the bodily return of Christ and is also meaning when Daniel 12:13 is meaning, thus it is on the 1335th day that Daniel rises from the dead, the fact there are no more days following that. But let's allow some of these other interpreters have us believe that the 1290 days and 1335th day, that this is involving the days of A4E instead.

And BTW, Douggg, you are not actually helping matters here. Clearly, this 1290 days is involving the very same time period Daniel 11:31 is involving. Except you have Daniel 11:31 involving the days of A4E, thus in agreement with the interpreters that see Daniel 12:11-12 involving the days of A4E since that is who they take to be involving in Daniel 11:31.

Then you contradict that you agree with them concerning Daniel 11:31 by having Daniel 12:11-12 involving a different time period altogether. When anyone with at least decent reading comprehension can see that Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11-12are involving the same events, the same time period.

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time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25. Daniel 12:7
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As to Revelation 12:14 it seems to me that the bodily return of Christ would soon follow the end of that, the fact that appears to be paralleling the time period involving verse 17. Where verse 17 appears to be involving the 42 month reign of the beast, and that Christ's bodily return is after the beast reigns for 42 months.

As to Daniel 7:25, that is involving the same time period Revelation 12:17 is involving, that being the 42 month reign of the beast. Therefore, I conclude the same thing here I concluded per Revelation 12:14.

As to Daniel 12:7, it too is involving what Daniel 7:25 is involving and how that is involving the 42 month reign of the beast. Therefore, I conclude the same thing here I concluded per Daniel 7:25.

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2300 days - Daniel 8:14
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At this end of this we will then see the bodily return of Christ eventually occurring. This isn't meaning during the days of A4E like a lot of interpreters would have us believe. They are ignoring or maybe not grasping that there are several timing indicator clues in Daniel 8 making it impossible that the days of A4E are meant. One such clue is this---he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. There is only one person worthy of the title the Prince of princes, and that it should be obvious to everyone who that is.

As if it makes sense that Jesus is the King of kings, the Lord of lords, but He's not the Prince of princes. Clearly, A4E did not stand up against Jesus. Jesus hadn't even been born yet. Granted, Jesus existed in the days of A4E the fact He is God. But He did not exist in human form as of yet. Nor was He sitting on the right hand of power yet.

These last 3 I'm not going to bother with right now. Maybe later, I don't know. The post is already lengthy as is. And that some people don't care to read through real lengthy posts. And I have made it too lengthy already.

 

[grafted branch]

grafted branch, of those time frames listed in the opening post, which ones do you think end on the day that Jesus returns ?

(see post #2)

None of them, Satans little season ends when Christ returns but exactly how long that little season lasts isn’t known.

 

[Davidpt]

None of them, Satans little season ends when Christ returns but exactly how long that little season lasts isn’t known.

Per your thinking, not per my thinking since I'm a Premil and you are not, why can't satan's little season simply be meaning any of these time periods @Douggg submitted in the OP? Problem then solved, in your case anyway. Is it because it would conflict with your Preterist mindset you have decided to let guide you in how to interpret those things submitted in the OP?