Trump ~ guilty

[face2face]

Yeshua,Jesus, was/is God.

You mean His Son as the Bible teaches right?

In a Democratic Republic the citizens decide who leads and represents them. That is how candidates assume the office in 2 branches of government. The Executive, and the Legislative.

People put people in office.

Not all people Blessed...you will find many abstain from voting, and for good reason.

F2F

 

[Peterlag]

on all 34 counts

News Flash: The Bidens have no business...

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[RedFan]

I have seen it, in the setting up of childish nonsense rubbish nowadays in regards to Political Correrctness, so that nonsense case came before the Jury i was on, that should never came before a Jury in fact ! it was an outright joke, stupid as they come. years ago such would never came about, it would of been dealt with by a sergeant on the spot ! case closed. Two drinking idiot ratbag cousin's fighting once again and had broke one's arm again 3 months out.

I have been on many Juries before. and i love being on them, but not that case, wasting peoples time on outright rubbish ! not to mention how much money was wasted. Hell no ! the system has became a joke.

The times that I would hear outright idiots who were trying to get off making the charge lesser with the duty Lawyer ! they were not repented at all ! typical of the revolving door idiot Justice system of morons.

Moronic cases -- I've seen lots as well -- do not mean the cases were rigged or the system is corrupt. Sounds like you are describing civil rather than criminal. Anyone can bring a civil case against anyone for anything. Criminal felony cases go through a Grand Jury process first.

 

[RedFan]

There's probably nobody here who can do that. You seem more qualified than most of us.

But I would suggest that you are using the wrong measuring stick. Something being LEGAL doesn't make it RIGHT.

Stacking charges might be legal, but it smells fishy when it happens to a presidential candidate with obvious political enemies that stand to gain from it. And delaying prosecution until the middle of an election cycle seems like a sure sign that something is rotten in Denmark.

Beware the criminal who can destroy you by using the law rather than breaking it.

It was LEGAL -- but not RIGHT -- to prosecute Trump? That assumes pure political motivation on the side of the New York DA. But what about political motivation on the side of Trump, who is guilty of mischaracterizing payments in order to hide what he'd done from the 2016 electorate? There's plenty of stink on both ends of the stick.

As to delaying prosecution, Trump has been the master at that.

 

[mailmandan]

I am not a Trump hating liberal. I have been a Republican all my life. But I am also a lawyer, dedicated to the justice system -- and when someone claims that a trial was "rigged" or "fixed" I want to see the evidence. If these 12 jurors were manipulated or bribed or otherwise cajoled into finding Trump guilty, show me the evidence and I'll believe it. Not speculation. EVIDENCE.

As far as concrete evidence in which the prosecution actually comes out and admits the trial was rigged or fixed, no. You will not get that kind of evidence. You will also not get concrete evidence of the 12 jurors coming out and admitting they were manipulated or bribed or otherwise persuaded into finding Trump guilty either. So, if anything short of that is not evidence, then you will not be convinced. For myself, after listening to compelling arguments all day long by multiple lawyers and prosecutors on conservative news networks, I am absolutely convinced this trial was a sham and a miscarriage of justice! Political persecution and election interference was the ultimate goal here of the Democrats. I don't need a law degree to see that. I've been witnessing it ever since 2020. America is in deep trouble!

 

[RedFan]

As far as concrete evidence in which the prosecution actually comes out and admits the trial was rigged or fixed, no. You will not get that kind of evidence. You will also not get concrete evidence of the 12 jurors coming out and admitting they were manipulated or bribed or otherwise persuaded into finding Trump guilty either. So, if anything short of that is not evidence, then you will not be convinced. For myself, after listening to compelling arguments all day long by multiple lawyers and prosecutors on conservative news networks, I am absolutely convinced this trial was a sham and a miscarriage of justice! Political persecution and election interference was the ultimate goal here of the Democrats. I don't need a law degree to see that. I've been witnessing it ever since 2020. America is in deep trouble!

You are confusing prosecutorial motivation with jury rigging. The ONLY thing I am contesting here is whether the trial was "rigged." Any poster who thinks so had better give a reason to support his or her musings.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sentencing is set for July 11.

He could spend the rest of his life in jail. 4 years for each count.

I cannot believe what I heard as I listened to things for all these weeks.

Communism a certainty.

Bye bye democracy

Whether or not Trump spends a day in jail or not
Democracy in part has long been gone .
And the solution that leadeth to the final scourge
is what all tribes will run to as one .
Have you ever wondered why , WHY it is things are going in the direction they are now headed .........
When a world and worse a christedom waxes very wicked , and when the few
call for repentance of sins and holler out YE must beleive in JESUS
and yet even christendom hollers back ye haters
What do you THINK is gonna come on such a world and christedom as this has become .
THE DIGITAL SYSTEM WILL SLAM DOWN upon this earth
and many will embrace it , but what will they do in the end ...........................
When the gospel has been replaced by a love so called gospel
and JESUS himself they have made into the ministir of sin
What DO YOU THINK will come upon a people who loved and did such a thing .
WELL if we read the bible , IT AINT GOOD .

 

[JohnDB]

You are confusing prosecutorial motivation with jury rigging. The ONLY thing I am contesting here is whether the trial was "rigged." Any poster who thinks so had better give a reason to support his or her musings.

The jury that does their job correctly considers only the evidence that is presented.

What the real problem is that the Judge presiding over the case did not allow Trump's lawyers to provide corroborating witnesses, testimony, or documentation that proved his innocence. Which means that they had no defense.

Another consideration is that the appellate court is full of more even more liberal judges. So appealing the case is likely going to be a waste. But likely going to move forward anyway.

The Federal Courts and SCOTUS does not have much in the way of jurisdiction in this matter even if it does affect things on a Federal Level.

So....not really sure what will happen. The mess this creates is appalling.

I can tell you that if Trump is placed in the Oval Office....paybacks are gonna be very rough.

 

[amigo de christo]

As far as concrete evidence in which the prosecution actually comes out and admits the trial was rigged or fixed, no. You will not get that kind of evidence. You will also not get concrete evidence of the 12 jurors coming out and admitting they were manipulated or bribed or otherwise persuaded into finding Trump guilty either. So, if anything short of that is not evidence, then you will not be convinced. For myself, after listening to compelling arguments all day long by multiple lawyers and prosecutors on conservative news networks, I am absolutely convinced this trial was a sham and a miscarriage of justice! Political persecution and election interference was the ultimate goal here of the Democrats. I don't need a law degree to see that. I've been witnessing it ever since 2020. America is in deep trouble!

My dear dear friend . Oh my dear friend .
It would not have mattered if all jurors said this or that and the evidence was so plain
that a five year old child could see
THEY GONNA BELEIVE EXACTLY what their heart desired . Each side will beleive , NO MATTER THE PROOF
no matter the evidence , What their heart wanted to believe .
In other words IT just aint gonna matter if you showed them a forest
they would holler back and say we can prove its no forest , its just billions of trees .
The ONLY and i repeat ONLY SOLUTION that both sides are gonna hear
IS THE DELUSION OF THE INCLUSION . already both sides are wearing out and down
and are very tired of the constant bickering .
THEY are ready for the LIE , the lie that promises them peace n safety
the love that gathers them under a fat lie .
BOTH SIDES preach it already in part and both sides also preach the constant strifes
which only help to wear the people down . THE cause is of them and the solution is of them .
THIS WAS WELL PLANNED OUT . The religions will merge as ONE
the peoples of earth will happily run to what they and who they beleive to be the Savoir and savoirs
of mother earth and can give them the easy life , peace n safety , the BEST LIFE NOW .
ONLY , ITS GONNA BE THE DRAGON and HIS ANTI CHRIST BEAST and kings they RAN TOO .

 

[amigo de christo]

As far as concrete evidence in which the prosecution actually comes out and admits the trial was rigged or fixed, no. You will not get that kind of evidence. You will also not get concrete evidence of the 12 jurors coming out and admitting they were manipulated or bribed or otherwise persuaded into finding Trump guilty either. So, if anything short of that is not evidence, then you will not be convinced. For myself, after listening to compelling arguments all day long by multiple lawyers and prosecutors on conservative news networks, I am absolutely convinced this trial was a sham and a miscarriage of justice! Political persecution and election interference was the ultimate goal here of the Democrats. I don't need a law degree to see that. I've been witnessing it ever since 2020. America is in deep trouble!

Even if the prosecution came out and admits the trial was rigged or fixed
THEY WILL HEED ONLY the voice of their master and masters . IF their side sayeth
NO this is not so , THEN THEY WILL BELIEVE IT to BE ABSOLUTE TRUTH .
example .
IF the prosecution were to stand and say , we now have evidence
to support trump and their were workers amongst us who were fixing and rigging
AND Biden or the liberals said , NO this is not so , THEY WILL BELIEVE BIDEN
pretty much like the right would Trump i might add .
WE been programmed my friend , programmed to trust in MEN . This is not about to bode well either .
Not at all . The agenda is not the trial .
THE agenda is a one world mindset that serves a one world govt .
IF folks truly knew this , THEY WOULD NEVER have ran to the abraham peace accords or even the very religious tolerance act .
But folks are often very fast to put their hopes into a man when that man offers them up hope .
AND THIS IS NOT GOOD at all to DO such a thing .
TIME we HOPE ONLY IN GOD . This world is going down
and nothing can save it , Because IT and even christendom have rejected THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE .

 

[mailmandan]

The jury that does their job correctly considers only the evidence that is presented.

What the real problem is that the Judge presiding over the case did not allow Trump's lawyers to provide corroborating witnesses, testimony, or documentation that proved his innocence. Which means that they had no defense.

Another consideration is that the appellate court is full of more even more liberal judges. I can tell you that if Trump is placed in the Oval Office....paybacks are gonna be very rough.

Good points. Would you consider that a rigged trial? I'm sure the Democrats will continue to do everything in their power to make sure that Trump does not get back into the Oval Office. Whatever it takes!

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

We've all known this is what they are doing. I'm curious about those who think he was actually guilty of something, where they get their news.

All I need is the smell test. 1000's of Gov employees trying to pin a crime on President Trump for years, and this is the best they can do. A non-crime in a heavily biased courtroom.

Much love!

Ask RedFan, being from New Hampshire I can bet it is not from Newsmax or Fox .... and must not even be CNN for the past 2 weeks....

I know!!!!! It has to be "The View".....

His remarks

How was it rigged? I know how one might rig a horse race. I haven't a clue how one would have rigged this trial. Please educate me. Tell me how one might be able to pull off such a rigging -- and then share the evidence you have that it actually happened here.

Not in the courtroom. I've spent my professional life in courtrooms and I've never seen it.

 

[Bob]

You may read calls for vengeance from otherwise sensible commentators. We should not agree or support any of it, no matter how unfair and evil the original intent. Remember: forgiving means holding no grudges, bearing no ill will, and letting go all anger and animosity, even toward persecutors. (Luke 23:34)

 

[Wrangler]

To vote is to presume you know God's Will

You mean we have the Spirit of God that guides us in all truth but God our Father is to remain a perpetual mystery? I’ll start a separate thread on this.

 

[Wrangler]

How was it rigged?

That was a fair trial, except;

Except …

1. There Was No Crime.
   1. Paying someone not to talk is not a crime.
2. Statute Of Limitations Expired.
   1. Even if there was a crime.
3. Prosecutorial Abuse of Power/Overcharging.
   1. The allegation of business misrepresentations is, at most, a mistake. It should be handled in a civil case, if not merely a misdemeanor.
   2. The rationalization of multiple counts (34) is based on campaign financing reporting, not repeated incidents of a crime.
4. Prosecutorial Abuse of Power/Undercharging.
   1. Campaign finance reporting was made, in part, due to Prosecutors Witness, (Cohen) who testified he stole $50,000.00 from Defendant.
   2. Not only, was he not charged, this makes Defendant the victim in the proceeding.
5. Judge Refused Change Of Venue.
   1. Defendant is political opponent and the district the prosecutor filed charges had the highest % of votes against him in the 2020 election.
   2. It is not reasonable to expect a fair trial with a jury of his peers.
6. Judge Refused To Recuse Himself.
   1. Judge and daughter of judge were donors to the Defendant’s political opponent.
7. Violation of 1st Amendment. Gag Order
   1. Defendant was repeatedly punished for publicly pointing out the political motivations of the officers of the court.
   2. His 1st Amendment rights were deprived when he needed them most – when he was at risk of losing life, liberty and property at the hands of a tyrannical State.
8. Violation of 6th Amendment:
   1. Charge was not specified. It is impossible to defend against an unspecified charge.
9. Violation of 8th Amendment:
   1. Excessive punishment. 4 years in jail per count is a life sentence for a non-crime, a misdemeanor, at most. Such punishment is not merely cruel and unusual, it’s unheard of and unprecedented.
10. Defense Not Allowed To Bring Witnesses.
    1. FEC Commissioner would have explained what a campaign contribution is and what it is not. This expert witness would destroy one of the elements of the complaint.
    2. Another witness would have not corroborated lying witnesses’ testimony.
11. Judge Failed To Dismiss Case With Grounds.
    1. Prosecutions witness lied, leaving Defendant with no credible witnesses against him.
12. Improper Jury Instructions
    1. Normally, jury instructions are about 5 pages and written copies given to the jury.
    2. In this case, the jury instructions were 54 pages and only provided to the jury verbally.
    3. Judge specifically told jury that certain pieces of evidence could be considered sufficient to convict.
    4. The instructions included not having to agree that a crime was committed, which is another 6th Amendment violation.
    5. The instructions included not having to be unanimous on counts for the judge to deem the verdict as unanimous.

I really haven’t been paying attention. If I had and I were a professional attorney, I might be able to compile more arguments why this will be vacated upon appeal.

 

[Wrangler]

Not in the courtroom. I've spent my professional life in courtrooms and I've never seen it.

Many Black people see it everyday for generations. Guess you do not have eyes to see.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

You may read calls for vengeance from otherwise sensible commentators. We should not agree or support any of it, no matter how unfair and evil the original intent. Remember: forgiving means holding no grudges, bearing no ill will, and letting go all anger and animosity, even toward persecutors. (Luke 23:34)

Agreed, vengeance is never a way, but I fail in your definition of forgiving when I see how it affects me and my Constitutional freedoms.

And no... I also would not forgive Lucifer/Satan.... will you?

 

[Wrangler]

Agreed, the gag order should not have been issued. But it had no effect on the evidence, or on the jury.

LOL. Then what purpose did it serve to issue the gag order?

 

[Wrangler]

Fox. An unbiased purveyor of truth? I don't think so.

Poisoning The Well. Moving the goal posts. Your opinions are impervious to facts.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I am not a Trump hating liberal. I have been a Republican all my life. But I am also a lawyer, dedicated to the justice system -- and when someone claims that a trial was "rigged" or "fixed" I want to see the evidence. If these 12 jurors were manipulated or bribed or otherwise cajoled into finding Trump guilty, show me the evidence and I'll believe it. Not speculation. EVIDENCE.

Take a look at this NPR report. Notice anything hinky?

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts