Are You Dead to Self?

[amigo de christo]

Very obviously yes.

Do you think it is possible for satan to use the name of JESUS
to use words like love , like tolerance , unity , freedom , liberty
to decieve folks into believing in antoher jesus , another gospel . If not , we better read
what paul wrote to the church . How even satans minsitirs can indeed appear as men of righteousness .
I KNOW we have a SAVOIR , THE ONLY SAVOIR JESUS THE CHRIST.
but many are following another jesus , another gospel and have been seduced to do so
by a love that has come of the world through men and darkness
in order to convince even the church that this is the LOVE OF GOD . WHEN IT AINT at all .

 

[amigo de christo]

Except the Pharisees were wrong-hearted and hypocritical. Don't you know we're in a war for souls? The devil is playing for keeps, this is not a drill. The church in general is being deceived and heading in a wrong direction that is leading them off a cliff. It's losing its saltiness in these days and losing ground. HAS lost it. Do you not know it? (Eventually it will be trampled underfoot by men.) Society is becoming sicker and sicker as a result...because Christianity has lost its sway over the land....the Spirit of the Lord has withdrawn. which is allowing darkness to move into the vacuum.

Darkness needs to be exposed for what it is, because it isn't what it deceptively "seemeth" to be, and the word of God needs to be raised as a banner against it in hopes of rescuing a few souls from the sinking ship. Come out of her my people, lest you receive of her plagues. Come into the ark that is Christ and His gospel because judgment is falling. Times of the Gentiles are coming to an end and only a remnant will be saved.

notice the similiarities . the pharisees even had invented doctrines of their own
WHICH according to JESUS was making void and of no effect EVEN MOSES and the law
the very law they claimed they knew and followed , THEY THEMSELVES were in direct CONTRADICTION TO IT
as they not only taught wrong stuff
THEY kept trying to expose the VERY ONE that BOTH THE LAW and PROPHETS had POINTED TO AS THE COMING MESSIAH .
OH YEAH they were diligent all right to expose what THEY BELIVED to be sin and error .
But as we both KNOW there was NO SIN , NO ERROR IN JESUS CHRIST , the ERROR and fault WAS IN THEM .

 

[Behold]

Do you think it is possible for satan to use the name of JESUS
to use words like love , like tolerance , unity , freedom , liberty
to decieve folks into believing in antoher jesus ,

Of course.

Paul teaches that Satan "comes as an angel of LIGHT".. and Jesus is the "LIGHT of the World"

So, to "come as an angel of Light".. is to PRETEND to be .. to FAKE IT..... "seems real but isn't TRUE"

And the Devil's ministers, pretend to be teaching TRUTH, and they talk about spiritual things.. they talk about law and commandments, they talk about Jesus...but their Doctrine, is of the devil, because it denies The Cross and God's Grace., in a very clever way.
The Devil's ministers, mix truth and error together, and that is why it SOUNDS true, when you read it or hear it.

 

[amigo de christo]

Except the Pharisees were wrong-hearted and hypocritical. Don't you know we're in a war for souls? The devil is playing for keeps, this is not a drill. The church in general is being deceived and heading in a wrong direction that is leading them off a cliff. It's losing its saltiness in these days and losing ground. HAS lost it. Do you not know it? (Eventually it will be trampled underfoot by men.) Society is becoming sicker and sicker as a result...because Christianity has lost its sway over the land....the Spirit of the Lord has withdrawn. which is allowing darkness to move into the vacuum.

Darkness needs to be exposed for what it is, because it isn't what it deceptively "seemeth" to be, and the word of God needs to be raised as a banner against it in hopes of rescuing a few souls from the sinking ship. Come out of her my people, lest you receive of her plagues. Come into the ark that is Christ and His gospel because judgment is falling. Times of the Gentiles are coming to an end and only a remnant will be saved.

Now let us a brethern examine THE IDENTIAL SIMILARITIES of today .
How often we hear from the most so called loving , tolerant , inclusive churches
about a love that CONTRADICTS the LOVE OF GOD
about a unity that CONTRADICTS the UNITY of GOD
about a tolerance that makes void correction and error of certain sins
and rather tolerates just abouto anything and everyone in any error .
And as with the pharisees who accused JESUS the CHRIST
so too do they accuse those who speak the WORDS of CHRIST
who point and remind them , as DID JESUS , about the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM
THIS has come full cirlce now .
what came upon the jews and led to their destruction , it led them far from GOD
and far from CHRIST
IS and has come upon THE REALM OF CHRISTENDOM . and they too go after with teeth
with vengeance , any and all who dare to SPEAK IN THE NAME OF JESUS THE CHRIST
using THE VERY DOCTRINES OF JESUS CHRIST . THIS IS COMING IN FULL CIRCLE NOW SISTER .
and just as the jews loved those who prohesied the smooth things
SO TOO it is today in christendom .
And as the false prophets and leaders
promised them life and none did repent of his wickedness
SO TOO I SEE THIS HUGE TODAY , as rainbows are now held high
another gospel of another love is embrace . JESUS is getting TROD under foot sister
only THEY THINK and BELIEVE it is GOD they do follow . This is a serious delusion that has come upon
christendom and even the false religoins to NOW MERGE them as one
against GOD , HIS CHRIST and the saints . cause its only the saints who dare to speak against its evils .

 

[Lizbeth]

THIS IS wonderful news indeed . WE TRULY DO HAVE A SAVOIR JESUS THE CHRIST
and yet i seem to see many running to another savoir whose love and whose unity , whose tolerance
cometh NOT OF GOD . they run to he whom they think is the SAVOIR , THE GOD , THE CHRIST
but in truth its another who uses THAT NAME to preach through decieved men
another jesus , another love , another god . this is a fact . I am seeing this everywhere now .
SO few there be who will even now try and stand and contend for the absolute
dire need to folks to REPENT TO BELIEVE ON CHRIST JESUS
and they sit under men who also have turned or I SHOULD SAY TRIED TO TURN
jesus , god into a minsitir of sin which is a man pleaser . we need to be alert
and be diligent . Stir one another up by way of remembrance .
PETER , paul and others did so THROUGH their letters and their exhortations .
PETER wrote he would leave a way for the church to ALWAYS have these things IN remembrance .
THEY DID . WE GOT THE BIBLE folks . Now let us return to it and be stirred up to remembrance
OF what BOTH CHRIST and the apostles had said .

Amen brother. Yes, it is a self-righteous "tolerance", not of God. So sad watching how churches are becoming more and more nominal. Friendship with the world is ENMITY with God. Come out from among them and be ye SEPARATE says the Lord. The church is losing its separateness and melding with the world. Where is the offence of the cross any more?...the need to believe in it! Evil is being called good and good being called evil....that's why those who preach the cross are being called evil.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen brother. Yes, it is a self-righteous "tolerance", not of God. So sad watching how churches are becoming more and more nominal. Friendship with the world is ENMITY with God. Come out from among them and be ye SEPARATE says the Lord. The church is losing its separateness and melding with the world. Where is the offence of the cross any more?...the need to believe in it! Evil is being called good and good being called evil....that's why those who preach the cross are being called evil.

Very true sister , they have no idea that their version of love has led them to that which is ENMITY against GOD .
for the love of the world , the lusts of the flesh , pride of life etc
Look at how clear this is .
THROUGH this other version of love , that came of the world
THEY now even are beginning to HONOR certain sins and many paths
AND WHO do they speak against and wont tolerate , THE WORDS of GOD
the scrips that remind them of their sin and error . THEY hate the truth of GOD .
THIS IS WHAT THE LOVE OF THE WORLD IS and DOES . the carnal mind is always subject unto this type of love
and they will believe its the love of GOD when in truth THEIR LOVE , as you wrote afore , DO CALL EVIL GOOD and GOOD EVIL .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ye cannot love both the world , aka sins and pleasures lusts of the flesh , pride of life , etc
and LOVE GOD . the TWO CONTRADICT each other .
the love of the world HAS NO LOVE FOR GOD , FOR HIS CHRIST and thus no true love for even its nieghbor .
FOR IT ALLOWS SIN UPON its neighbor , believing this to be love and tolerance . IT wont correct at all
those in certain sins . THINKING oh this is loving them . NO ITS NOT .
YE shall not hate , HATE , your neighbor in your heart , you shall IN ANY WAY CORRECT HIM and not allow SIN UPON HIM .
their love not only allows sins upon them , HECK it now allows the greatest sin of all upon them , UNBELIEF
as it hollers all religoins serve the same GOD we do . this darkness is and has turned into only GROSS HEAVY THICK darkness
and through its doctrines and its love has choked out the WORD of GOD
as they heed only the words of men gone wrong .

 

[Lizbeth]

Now let us a brethern examine THE IDENTIAL SIMILARITIES of today .
How often we hear from the most so called loving , tolerant , inclusive churches
about a love that CONTRADICTS the LOVE OF GOD
about a unity that CONTRADICTS the UNITY of GOD
about a tolerance that makes void correction and error of certain sins
and rather tolerates just abouto anything and everyone in any error .
And as with the pharisees who accused JESUS the CHRIST
so too do they accuse those who speak the WORDS of CHRIST
who point and remind them , as DID JESUS , about the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM
THIS has come full cirlce now .
what came upon the jews and led to their destruction , it led them far from GOD
and far from CHRIST
IS and has come upon THE REALM OF CHRISTENDOM . and they too go after with teeth
with vengeance , any and all who dare to SPEAK IN THE NAME OF JESUS THE CHRIST
using THE VERY DOCTRINES OF JESUS CHRIST . THIS IS COMING IN FULL CIRCLE NOW SISTER .
and just as the jews loved those who prohesied the smooth things
SO TOO it is today in christendom .
And as the false prophets and leaders
promised them life and none did repent of his wickedness
SO TOO I SEE THIS HUGE TODAY , as rainbows are now held high
another gospel of another love is embrace . JESUS is getting TROD under foot sister
only THEY THINK and BELIEVE it is GOD they do follow . This is a serious delusion that has come upon
christendom and even the false religoins to NOW MERGE them as one
against GOD , HIS CHRIST and the saints . cause its only the saints who dare to speak against its evils .

Amen....and those who can't see the similarities, could it have anything to do with that they don't know the word of God well enough to be able to compare what is happening in the church now with what the scriptures have set forth in the bible as examples for our admonition and warning?

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen....and those who can't see the similarities, could it have anything to do with that they don't know the word of God well enough to be able to compare what is happening in the church now with what the scriptures have set forth in the bible as examples for our admonition and warning?

In many cases it might be something even worse than that . though for some it sure is this case
the time when they ought to be teachers they have NEED to BE TAUGHT again the basic principles .
But what i mean by something far worse is
I believe many to not be born again at all . THEY have NEVER KNOWN HIM
and this is why they are headed right into the grand delusion .
because when HE called , when he sent men to warn them of their error
and to get back into the scriptures to learn for themselves , THEY WOULD NOT .
Now something is amiss sister . THOUGH not you or i can say its too late for anyone
WE CAN SAY that many are in dire and deadly grave danger IF THEY REPENT NOT of their hardness
of their sins , of their errors. And i can say
THERE IS ONE HECK OF A STRONG DELUSION and it has come TO UINFY all tribes of all peoples
and religoins to merge as one , ONLY , IT AINT UNDER GOD , UNDER CHRIST
at all . Yes there is a dire need to remind folks again to return to that which the apostels left us
in the scriptures and letters .
WHY do you suppose that for many they have no time for the bible
and YET they will spend hours reading junk of men and love to do this .
WHY is it a man would love error and not TRUTH . WHERE IS THE LOVE OF GOD
that is SHED from the HOLY GHOST .................
exactly . many do NOT have the SPIRIT
and also many need to be RETAUGHT and REFRESHED in the bible .
IF even peter said , that he would not be negligant to do these things always
to STIR UP their minds by way of rememberance , EvEN THOUGH he said they were established in the truth .
THEN WHY DO THIS GENERATION want nothing to do with those kind of men
who do such a thing and point to the bible which contains the very letters by which the apostels DID REMIND the CHURCH .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen....and those who can't see the similarities, could it have anything to do with that they don't know the word of God well enough to be able to compare what is happening in the church now with what the scriptures have set forth in the bible as examples for our admonition and warning?

my people perish for lack of knowledge .
many now sit under men who by thier own precepts try to lead folks to WHAT and WHO they THINK IS GOD
and yet by their precepts are leading them farther and farther away .
THROUGH their own precepts they destroy this people and sadly most seem to love to have this so
but my question to all is , but what will they do in the end thereof ............
many now , through this other love call GOD A LIAR . GOD testified of JESUS THE CHRIST
and yet their love seemeth to imply THERE IS NO NEED for these lost religoins to REPENT to BELIEVE ON HIM at all .
Their love came of the world and is of anti christ
who will honor their sins to decieve them all and lead them to PERIDTION of ungodly men .
The simple truth is , how simple the walk could of been in CHRIST
only MEN SCREWED IT all up through their own traditions
and now at the end a very strong delusion cometh to UNIFY this world , its religoins and all
to beleive in what they THINK IS LOVE and what they believe TO BE GOD .
ONLY , IT AINT . IT BE THE DRAGON IN WOOL and he has many minstirs doing his work .

 

[Lizbeth]

I'm not a particularly bright sheep, was dumb for so long to the wiles of the devil and the true spiritual condition of the churches I had attended. One day many years ago the Lord was gracious to give me a little brief picture or vision of myself in a tiny little lifeboat which was tethered to a huge ship. The tether was cut and I found myself adrift on the sea in my little boat. I didn't understand what was happening at the time...only that I had watched in alarm and grief as the Spirit of God departed the church I was attending and knowing that I was to no longer be a part of that church. Though I didn't yet fully understand the big picture of what was going on and why.

He spoke to me in other ways as well, and one thing I will mention is that He gave me the example of the Titanic....but I didn't grasp at the time that He was referring to the church as a whole. Many similarities between the Titanic and the modern western church of today.. The builders were arrogant and didn't fear God...saying that even HE couldn't sink the ship. That is like those who don't believe God would judge or punish His church. The builders didn't fear God enough or have enough care for the souls on their ship in their charge to be properly prepared with enough lifeboats. Many people were trapped in the lower decks and could not escape. (On a real life level we have sympathy for those people of course and the awful tragedy of what happened, but what God was speaking to me in a kind of parable on a spiritual level is something different....it is speaking to a lack of maturity and understanding and of being down below in darkness.) Only a remnant got to the lifeboats and were saved, mostly those from the upper decks which speaks to those who received more light and understanding.

I couldn't find another church to attend, none of them seemed right and God's presence didn't seem to be in any of them, and the Lord just wasn't leading me to any of them, He just wasn't in it. I eventually understood through many scriptures that the Lord began showing me, that He was leading me out of the churches because He was about to judge them. And we have to understand that deception...is judgment.... and leading to worse judgment if one doesn't wake up to the truth.....it leads to spiritual death. The sad reality is that the church at large today is dying, it's sinking. Except for a remnant who do come out of her.

 

[Lizbeth]

In many cases it might be something even worse than that . though for some it sure is this case
the time when they ought to be teachers they have NEED to BE TAUGHT again the basic principles .
But what i mean by something far worse is
I believe many to not be born again at all . THEY have NEVER KNOWN HIM
and this is why they are headed right into the grand delusion .
because when HE called , when he sent men to warn them of their error
and to get back into the scriptures to learn for themselves , THEY WOULD NOT .
Now something is amiss sister . THOUGH not you or i can say its too late for anyone
WE CAN SAY that many are in dire and deadly grave danger IF THEY REPENT NOT of their hardness
of their sins , of their errors. And i can say
THERE IS ONE HECK OF A STRONG DELUSION and it has come TO UINFY all tribes of all peoples
and religoins to merge as one , ONLY , IT AINT UNDER GOD , UNDER CHRIST
at all . Yes there is a dire need to remind folks again to return to that which the apostels left us
in the scriptures and letters .
WHY do you suppose that for many they have no time for the bible
and YET they will spend hours reading junk of men and love to do this .
WHY is it a man would love error and not TRUTH . WHERE IS THE LOVE OF GOD
that is SHED from the HOLY GHOST .................
exactly . many do NOT have the SPIRIT
and also many need to be RETAUGHT and REFRESHED in the bible .
IF even peter said , that he would not be negligant to do these things always
to STIR UP their minds by way of rememberance , EvEN THOUGH he said they were established in the truth .
THEN WHY DO THIS GENERATION want nothing to do with those kind of men
who do such a thing and point to the bible which contains the very letters by which the apostels DID REMIND the CHURCH .

Yes.... it is so sad to think of it, but I have wondered if the tares are being "bundled" together in these days.

But people who refuse and reject the truth have a part in making themselves tares.......so if they would be humble to examine themselves, repent of sin, and seek the Lord for the truth, an individual could have a part in becoming wheat, I believe.

 

[quietthinker]

The error is the pharisees was that what they exposed was not sin . they tried to expose
JESUS for actually HEALING on the sabbath .
They also would put doctrines of thier own making which in effect CONTRADICTED even the law .
AND JESUS exposed their hyprocisy quite well . YOU BY YOUR TRADITIONS make VOID
The pharisees were exposing ONLY WHAT THEY BELIEVED to be errors .

So, the woman caught in adultery which they dragged before Jesus wasn't really sinning?

 

[friend of]

I'm working on dying to self. It's a slow process.

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 6:1-11

New International Version

​

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ​

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin;how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

 

[Lizbeth]

So, the woman caught in adultery which they dragged before Jesus wasn't really sinning?

Well, thankfully dragging people to be stoned isn't what Amigo is about.

That account in the bible is a lesson on mercy versus condemnation, it's not a lesson against shining a light on sin in the camp. They were about to have her stoned to death. Because that was the just penalty for adultery under the Law....condemnation of death. (And they were going to have it done out of a wrong spirit/motive that was too eager to do it instead of grieving for her.)

Now please listen to this......if there was to be no penalty for sins, the woman wouldn't have been in need of Jesus' MERCY would she? So the Law led her to Christ. (Bible says Law is good when it is used appropriately.) Think about that.....and understand why the church shouldn't be preaching a gospel that has no salt in it. It's not supposed to be a feel-good toothless tiger. Bible says to have salt in ourselves. And to let our speech be full of grace but seasoned with salt. Offerings in the temple were sprinkled with salt. Jesus said we would be salted with fire. And if the salt loses its saltiness......that doesn't end well......it leads to judgment and being trampled underfoot.

Mar 9:49-50
For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

 

[Behold]

So, the woman caught in adultery which they dragged before Jesus wasn't really sinning?

Why didnt they "drag the man" also, when they dragged the woman, as she had some help..

Why?

Probably because it was one of the Pharisees who was her "partner" and they "set her up" so that they could "drag her" before Jesus.

The Lord was not fooled.

So, when He said....."whoever is without sin, throw that first rock"..

See, JESUS know they were ALL IN on the deed.

Now, i can't prove, by using a Bible verse, that one of the Pharisees was the woman's "helper", but, its food for thought., because Jesus condemned them all by that speech, as if they were as GUILTY AS THE WOMAN.

 

[Lizbeth]

Why didnt they "drag the man" also, when the dragged the woman, as she had some help..

Why?

Probably because it was one of the Pharisees who was her "partner" and they "set her up" so that they could "drag her" before Jesus.

The Lord was not fooled.

So, when He said....."whoever is without sin, throw that first rock"..

See, JESUS know they were ALL IN on the deed.

Now, i can't prove, by using a Bible verse, that one of the Pharisees was the woman's "helper", but, its food for thought., because Jesus condemned them all by that speech, as if they were as GUILTY AS THE WOMAN.

Amen, it takes two to tango. And I would say the fact alone that those men let their fellow man go free and only singled out the woman was hypocrisy in itself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well, thankfully dragging people to be stoned isn't what Amigo is about.

That account in the bible is a lesson on mercy versus condemnation, it's not a lesson against shining a light on sin in the camp. They were about to have her stoned to death. Because that was the just penalty for adultery under the Law....condemnation of death. (And they were going to have it done out of a wrong spirit/motive that was too eager to do it instead of grieving for her.)

Now please listen to this......if there was to be no penalty for sins, the woman wouldn't have been in need of Jesus' MERCY would she? So the Law led her to Christ. (Bible says Law is good when it is used appropriately.) Think about that.....and understand why the church shouldn't be preaching a gospel that has no salt in it. It's not supposed to be a feel-good toothless tiger. Bible says to have salt in ourselves. And to let our speech be full of grace but seasoned with salt. Offerings in the temple were sprinkled with salt. Jesus said we would be salted with fire. And if the salt loses its saltiness......that doesn't end well......it leads to judgment and being trampled underfoot.

Mar 9:49-50
For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Amen.

They tried to trick Jesus, it was a set up. They thought it was a no win situation.. But they were wrong.and jesus put the focus back on them, and they all walked away

 

[Behold]

Amen, it takes two to tango. And I would say the fact alone that those men let their fellow man go free and only singled out the woman was hypocrisy in itself.

absolutely.