Understanding : Acts 2:38

[Ritajanice]

I have been Born Again of imperishable seed....the spiritual rebirth...the Living spiritual rebirth.

I was water baptised a few months after I became Born Again, I did it out of obedience, ...to be honest I was a new babe and hadn’t a clue what it signified...now I see, ..going down in the water signifies out with the old nature/ life.

Coming out of the water signifies the new spiritual rebirth....but, I was Born Again months before any of that.

It must be awful being confused in that area...I thank God I know imo/ testimony/ belief I am Born Again of Imperishable seed!...Praise God.

I have never doubted my God given faith once...why, because it was God given.....prayer for all those confused in this area.xx

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are Born Of The Spirit...we are in Christ when we have been Born Of The Spirit

Yes,

But that is not being baptized with the spirit

How do you know?

They could become Born Of The Spirit just as they come out of the water.

They could have,

But they were born of the spirit BECAUSE their sins wer redeemed, because they were placed into the death and burial of christ (baptism of the spirit)

not because they were immersed in water.

So you teach an un- truth , I’ve done the same....let’s not underestimate the Living Power Of The Living Holy Spirit.

So yes, a vicar could also Baptise them in water for repentance.

Then the Holy Spirit who is everywhere, remember that, he doesn’t just show up, The Living Spirit is everywhere....then as the vicar baptises them in water, the Holy Spirit could quite possibly make their spirit Born Again...

God is not the author of confusion.

Water baptism can not save you anymore than circumcision saved a jew.

If a jew said we are saved by faith plus circumcision. Paul called them lost. And anathema, because they taught a different gospel

same thing goes with adding faith plus water baptism, it is no different

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◄ Matthew 3:11 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. New Living Translation “I baptize with water those who repent of their sins and turn to God. But someone is coming soon who is greater than I am—so much greater that I’m not worthy even to be his slave and carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. English Standard Version “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Berean Standard Bible I baptize you with water for repentance, but after me will come One more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Berean Literal Bible I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but after me is coming He who is mightier than I, of whom I am not worthy to carry the sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire,

Read the passage

1. I baptize in reference to repentance

2. But he wil baptize with the HS and fire.

Jesus will baptize everyone

the HS will place the wheat into the barn,, But the chaff will be baptized into an unquntiable fire..(hell)

You better pick the right baptism, and its not water..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, and God does that when you are water baptized.

Thats not true

If he did, Paul would have said, do you not know that once you were baptized in water, you were placed into his death. And you were placed into christ

He did nt say that

He said you were baptized (placed into or immersed in) Christ, and Baptized (placed into or immersed in) his death.

there is one baptism, not two.. Paul made this clear

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Because I was there.

Same here.

I have witnessed many who were already born again, who could not wait to get baptized to share their faith to the whole church

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They can be water baptised and Born Of The Spirit at the same time.

That is my opinion and belief.

Don’t limit God, he does being Born Of The Spirit, via His Spirit...my mind/ heart was once closed in that area, ...it’s been opened.

He can make someone Born Again however he chooses, not how we choose.

Your limiting God to wait until they are immersed in water to save them

Then telling us not to limit God

unbelievable

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And, once again, what do you do with the verses of scripture that was pointed out? I appears that you are simply ignoring them.

None of those verses spoke of being baptizing people in the birth fluid of pregnant women.

what does this even mean?

What about all the verses that do not mention baptism at all. And the ones who mentions no water at all (baptism INTO Christ, Baptism INTO his body. Baptism INTO his death?

we just ignore them because they do not mention birth fluid?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are asking why God would place any requirements upon those He will save.,

Why did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden and then tell Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of that tree?

In the OT, what was the significance of killing animals? Why would God require that?

What did the killing do? What did the blood do?

Why was that necessary?

Why would God require that be done?

Why would you assume that now, under the New Covenant, there are no requirements that we do something?

Once things we know

NON OF THESE THINGS HAD A THING TO DO WITH ANYONES SALVATION

They were symbols which pointed to that which WOULD save us

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes,

But that is not being baptized with the spirit

We are baptised into one Spirit by God via His Living Holy Spirit...when His Living witness the Holy Spirit makes our spirit Born Again...His Spirit is what brings our spirit Alive in Christ...the cross does not make one Born Of The Spirit...un-truth.

They could have,

But they were born of the spirit BECAUSE their sins wer redeemed, because they were placed into the death and burial of christ (baptism of the spirit)

You are not placed into Christ, not until you have become Born Again by His Living Spirit.

not because they were immersed in water.

God is not the author of confusion.

God isn’t...but you are,imo.

Water baptism can not save you anymore than circumcision saved a jew.

Who said it could!?

If a jew said we are saved by faith plus circumcision. Paul called them lost. And anathema, because they taught a different gospel

same thing goes with adding faith plus water baptism, it is no different

Read the passage

1. I baptize in reference to repentance

2. But he wil baptize with the HS and fire.

Jesus will baptize everyone

the HS will place the wheat into the barn,, But the chaff will be baptized into an unquntiable fire..(hell)

You better pick the right baptism, and its not water..

I better pick the right baptism?

Philippians 1:29​

29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him


I have been Born Again of imperishable seed....I did not pick to be Born Again..I was Born Again just as Gods word says...by His will..Not mans will...impossible.

The Apostle Paul wrote, "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake" (Philippians 1:29). Robert T. Barrett, The Apostle Paul. The scriptures teach that all the creations under heaven are eternally indebted to the Savior

 

[JBO]

Thats not true

If he did, Paul would have said, do you not know that once you were baptized in water, you were placed into his death. And you were placed into christ

Perhaps it never occurred to Paul that you would think that baptism was anything other that water baptism.

there is one baptism, not two.. Paul made this clear

One baptism, in water, two results, namely, the forgiveness of sin and the receipt of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Paul and Peter agree.

 

[JBO]

Same here.

I have witnessed many who were already born again, who could not wait to get baptized to share their faith to the whole church

Oh really, and what specifically did you see?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Perhaps it never occurred to Paul that you would think that baptism was anything other that water baptism.

Perhaps.

But paul did not speak in english, so he understood what the word meant, and used it the way it was supposed to be used.

One baptism, in water, two results, namely, the forgiveness of sin and the receipt of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Paul and Peter agree.

No. Thats two baptisms.

And Peter does not agree. The gift of the spirit was ONLY given to those who repented.

Those who were baptized already had the gift of the spirit, Because they believed.

again, Dig deeper. You will see what Peter said..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh really, and what specifically did you see?

What did i see?

a changed life..
Fruit of the spirit
A changed heart.
A change of mind

but really non of that matters, Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen.

Again, Your faith is in your water baptism, in men.

where is your faith in God? don;t tell me you have faith in God. And then tell me to depend on a pastor who immersed in water. That will not cut it.

 

[JBO]

Perhaps.

But paul did not speak in english, so he understood what the word meant, and used it the way it was supposed to be used.

No. Thats two baptisms.

And Peter does not agree. The gift of the spirit was ONLY given to those who repented.

Those who were baptized already had the gift of the spirit, Because they believed.

again, Dig deeper. You will see what Peter said..

I have dug deeper and what I see is your Zwingliism.

 

[JBO]

What did i see?

a changed life..
Fruit of the spirit
A changed heart.
A change of mind

but really non of that matters, Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen.

Again, Your faith is in your water baptism, in men.

where is your faith in God? don;t tell me you have faith in God. And then tell me to depend on a pastor who immersed in water. That will not cut it.

Says the one who denies the clear apostolic teaching of baptism in water.

It is not up to you to either question the faith of another. Doing so, particularly when it comes only from disagreeing with your faulty understanding of scripture, is sheer egotism.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have dug deeper and what I see is your Zwingliism.

You did not dig deep enough.

Your stuck in your own mind.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Says the one who denies the clear apostolic teaching of baptism in water.

It is not up to you to either question the faith of another. Doing so, particularly when it comes only from disagreeing with your faulty understanding of scripture, is sheer egotism.

I can question a gospel

And no apostle taught we are saved by water.

 

[JBO]

And no apostle taught we are saved by water.

No one here has said we are saved by water. You are not any better at reading what is posted here than you are at reading the Bible.

 

[JBO]

I can question a gospel

Well I guess you have shown that here in your questioning the NT gospel.

There can be no question whatsoever, that Acts 2:38 speaks of baptism in water.

 

[Spyder]

what does this even mean?

What about all the verses that do not mention baptism at all. And the ones who mentions no water at all (baptism INTO Christ, Baptism INTO his body. Baptism INTO his death?

we just ignore them because they do not mention birth fluid?

Amniotic fluid is absolutely not part of scripture. Nobody walking the earth at that time has NOT been born in that fluid.

Consider the purification in water. For thousands of years, water was the means of purification for the priests and people. They would never question water's part in rituals. It is only since the first century and the Greek and Roman influence was there ever a question. When a baptism verse does not mention "water," it is because it is already a known part of the cleansing.

If someone wrote that "it is light out" but didn't mention the sun, shall we assume that the sun has nothing to do with the light? That is how your questions sounds. If it is not mentioned, then it is not there.

 

[Ritajanice]

Amniotic fluid is absolutely not part of scripture. Nobody walking the earth at that time has NOT been born in that fluid.

Huh?....they never became pregnant?..back then?

Tell me using scripture...how did women get pregnant back then?

Did woman not have a womb back then?