Shalom, teleiosis.
Titus is not mentioned in Gabriel's prophecy.
Jesus is the only one who can fulfill all six actions of Daniel 9:24, yet it will be the ruler who will come who will force the one 'seven' with many. Nothing is confirmed. It's time to step out of the middle ages.
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Jesus did not force anything. gabar is not always a wholesome affirmation, and it simply does not mean "confirm" as the word is commonly used today. Why such a poor translation of 400 years ago still affects so many must be in God's Will.
The one 'seven' is not split in half with one half being past and the other future. In Revelation, the two halves are both presented.
You have argued incessantly for the Davidic Covenant, but you only have you assigning a "this means that" interpretation. Other than you declaration that Dan 9:27 is the fulfillment or strengthening of the Davidic Covenant - nothing - in the Bible supports that directly. So you can continue to argue and I will continue to argue back because you have not convinced me at all. I still think you're wrong.
The desolation of the "house" is a prophetic utterance to the imminent destruction of the Temple. It does not make Jesus the abomination. His crucifixion was the karat of Dan 9:26, and it is only by the shedding of blood which "seals" the covenant Jesus made at the Last Supper.
So the only covenant Jesus made was at the Last Supper. Not at the beginning of His Ministry.
Jesus' sacrifice on the cross is not an abomination; that language is reserved in the Bible for idolatry.
There will be an abomination set up in the Temple, in the "Holy Place." That is done at the midpoint of the one 'seven.'
When this happens, two laws go into effect: this is what makes the Great Tribulation Jesus said happened after the midpoint of Mt 24:15 possible.
Once the abomination happens, "Mikael" arises: God responds. The first Marines of God's Army show up: the Two Witnesses.
Meanwhile the Elect are wise to the Man of Lawlessness now revealed.
When the Elect are just about to be eliminated because they don't follow the two onerous laws of Rev 13:15-17 - then the Day of the Lord comes.
Even then, the Jews will not receive Christ; that is reserved for the Day of Atonement after the one 'seven.'
Ray, the lower half of the post was in direct response to Retrobyter.
Jesus did not make the New Covenant "strong" by shedding His Blood. That's stretching the language to make it say what you want it to say.
The truth is that Jesus' first Advent does not fit Dan 9:27.
If the only covenant Jesus made was at the end of His Ministry, then the Covenant "forced" with many did not start His Ministry. Jesus' Ministry is not the first half of the one 'seven.' What you are proposing is not logical on any level.
Jesus laid down His Life. He did not do this by strength or might, especially military might. Jesus' act was the utmost test of the Servant Messiah: to surrender to death at the hands of His oppressors in the most barbaric and humiliating form of execution possible. Here you have the Son of God, the most powerful man on the face of the earth willingly allowing Himself to be nailed to a wooden cross and executed - but Jesus did not die by execution! He GAVE UP His Life when His Work was done.
This flies in the face of any possible definition of gabar.
I may never convince you of your error. However, you will never convince me that you're right. I will continue to rebut any notion that Jesus forced a covenant with many at all. We willingly come to Christ. We accept Christ when we believe. Jesus does not force Salvation on anyone. It is a free gift, but we have to receive it to have eternal life.
Okay, let's take this step-by-step because you are WAY off base! (You're AWOL!)
Jesus did not force anything. gabar is not always a wholesome affirmation, and it simply does not mean "confirm" as the word is commonly used today. Why such a poor translation of 400 years ago still affects so many must be in God's Will.
Oh, get off the "forced" kick! "
Gavar" is NOT being used that way in this context! The direct object is the "covenant," "
b-riyt!" It is NOT "
rabiym," the "many!" Furthermore, the prepositional prefix, "
laa-," is usually translated "
to" or "
for," but not "with." "With" is the translation for the stand-alone preposition, "
lam," and occasionally for the inseparable prefix preposition "
b-," which is usually translated as "in." He "STRENGTHENS (the PRIMARY meaning of
'gavar') the promise (covenant) TO the many" or "FOR the many!" It is most certainly not "against" the many or "on" the many or "upon" the many, which would use the preposition, "
al!" If that was the meaning here, "
AL" would
CERTAINLY have been used, but "
AL" ISN'T THERE! The phrase is simply, "
V-higbiyr b-riyt laa-rabiym shaavuwa` echaad." "And-he-shall-strengthen a-covenant to-many Seven one."
The one 'seven' is not split in half with one half being past and the other future.
In Revelation, the two halves are both presented.
Actually, that is your INTERPRETATION of Revelation that shows the two halves being both presented! The "two halves" could simply be the ONE HALF with different perspectives! Again, the "time, times, and half a time," the "42 months," and the "1,260 days" are THREE DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS!!! They are NOT equal! Assuming (as you do, too) that the "time" (Hebrew:
mow`eed, based on Daniel 12:7, which is quoted in Revelation 12:14) is a yearly CYCLE, the Jewish solar year based on agricultural considerations, we are talking about a true year of 365.2422 days/year: 365.2422 x 3.5 = 1,278.3477 days. "Forty-two months" uses the lunar cycle, the Jewish lunar month, of approximately 29.5 days/month: 29.5 x 42 = 1,239 days, and neither of these is equal to 1,260 days! The first one is 18.3477 days more, and the second is 21 days less!
Furthermore, what do YOU use to justify separating the 70th Seven from the other 69 Sevens? At least I have Matthew 23:37-39, where Yeshua` uses Dani'el 9:27's "he shall make it desolate" to show a split! You're just ASSUMING that there's a split between the 69th and the 70th Sevens! Where's YOUR justification? If I didn't have Matthew 23:37-39, I'd be FORCED to go with the preterist's interpretation where the 70 Sevens are not divided at all!
You have argued incessantly for the Davidic Covenant, but you only have you assigning a "this means that" interpretation. Other than you declaration that Dan 9:27 is the fulfillment or strengthening of the Davidic Covenant - nothing - in the Bible supports that directly. So you can continue to argue and I will continue to argue back because you have not convinced me at all. I still think you're wrong.
Suit yourself, but the Davidic Covenant is the only covenant that makes sense, and the whole gist of the Gospels is that Yeshua` came to be their KING, the "KING OF THE JEWS!" That's how He was presented, how He presented Himself, and that's the ONE ARGUMENT that ties all of the contexts of each Gospel together! It is the very THEME for Matthew, in particular! And, what else would explain Yeshua`s assumption of the Jews familiarity of what the "gospel of the Kingdom" was as early as Mark 1:14-15, at a point in time immediately after Yochanan the Immerser (John the Baptist) was put in prison? That's WAY early in His 3.5-year ministry! Who (at that point in time) knew ANYTHING about the "death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ," as so many claim is the definition of "gospel"? NOBODY, that's who!!! Even if they had accepted Him as the Messiah of God who was destined to be their eternal King, they would say, "The King has to DIE?! NO WAY!" And, "'Resurrection?' What's that?"
Furthermore, the Messiah Yeshua` didn't have to MAKE the covenant or shed blood for it; that was ALREADY DONE! It was a covenant that GOD made with DAVID, an irrevokable, unconditional covenant that was STILL IN EFFECT when Yeshua` came on the scene in the first century A.D. (Latin:
Anno Dominum = "In-[the]-year of-[the]-Lord," who IS Yeshua` the Messiah, so it's a little redundant at this point), and it is STILL in effect TODAY! It is an EVERLASTING COVENANT! It was just Yeshua`s time to "pick up the ball and run with it!" He HAS the ball, and He's KEEPING IT FOREVER! When He left the earth, HE TOOK IT WITH HIM! He jumped up and took it way out of the reach of anyone who might like to take it from Him (Ephesians 1:21)! When He returns, He will come back down WITH THE BALL and SCORE THE WINNING TOUCHDOWN, establishing His Kingdom forever (Luke 19:15)!
The desolation of the "house" is a prophetic utterance to the imminent destruction of the Temple. It does not make Jesus the abomination. His crucifixion was the karat of Dan 9:26, and it is only by the shedding of blood which "seals" the covenant Jesus made at the Last Supper.
So the only covenant Jesus made was at the Last Supper. Not at the beginning of His Ministry.
Jesus' sacrifice on the cross is not an abomination; that language is reserved in the Bible for idolatry.
Now, you're just being insulting and infuriating! I have NEVER made "Jesus the abomination!" Those have always been YOUR words (and
SHAME ON YOU)!
The "desolation of the house" in Matthew 23:38 is not just the "destruction of the Temple" (a house), but the shelving of the "HOUSEHOLD" of Isra'el (all twelve or thirteen tribes, btw), the FAMILY! Yeshua` left THEM desolate because of THEIR abominations! (Didn't I say that before? I KNOW I've said that before! Maybe veteran just missed it! But, how could he have missed it? I've been saying it ALL ALONG! How come he doesn't get it? Maybe it's because he just doesn't WANT to get it. But, why WOULDN'T he want to get it; it's part of learning to understand someone! Maybe,...)
I actually agree with you about Yeshua` making the New Covenant with His disciples based on the "death of the Testator." The author of the book of Hebrews makes that plain (Hebrews 9:11-16). That IS the ONE Covenant that He truly did MAKE with His own blood! But, that's not what we're talking about here! It's a different covenant for a different need.
There will be an abomination set up in the Temple, in the "Holy Place."
That is done at the midpoint of the one 'seven.'
Perhaps, but one cannot get that tenet from Dani'el 9:24-27! He must go somewhere else, like 2 Thessalonians or Revelation.
When this happens, two laws go into effect: this is what makes the Great Tribulation Jesus said happened after the midpoint of Mt 24:15 possible.
Once the abomination happens, "Mikael" arises: God responds. The first Marines of God's Army show up: the Two Witnesses.
Meanwhile the Elect are wise to the Man of Lawlessness now revealed.
When the Elect are just about to be eliminated because they don't follow the two onerous laws of Rev 13:15-17 - then the Day of the Lord comes.
Even then, the Jews will not receive Christ; that is reserved for the Day of Atonement after the one 'seven.'
This is just ALL screwed up! First of all, in Matthew 24:15, Yeshua` is NOT EVEN saying that He is talking about the "midpoint" of the 70th Seven! While He DOES make mention of the prophecy of Dani'el 9, you've got His point ALL WRONG! It is not the abomination that causes the desolation; it's the desolation that causes the abomination - the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.! Yeshua` having left them desolate, they no longer have the Sh'kinah (the Presence) of God in the Temple and they once again had to write over the door posts, "
Iy-Kaavowd" (Ichabod), the "(there is) No Glory!" This is simply seen by a comparison between Matthew and Mark with Luke's account of the Olivet Discourse!
Matthew 24:15-21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV
Mark 13:14-19
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
KJV
Luke 21:20-24
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
KJV
The things that the survivors are told to do make no sense in today's warfare, but it DID make sense in the first century!
"Don't stop for anything or go back for anything; just take the Road of the Rooftops, jumping from rooftop to rooftop, and get out of the city walls! Don't stop in the fields outside the city walls, but flee to the mountains! If you're a pregnant woman or a nursing woman, too bad for you; you will probably be caught by the enemies because you'll be too slow! If anyone IS caught, they will either die by the edge of the sword or they will be led away captive into the other nations of the Roman Empire! And, pray to God that your escape will not have to be in the winter or on the Shabbat, both of which will hinder your escape that much more!"
The events of Revelation 13:15-17, which are still in the future, are NOT CONNECTED to Matthew 24:15 at all!
