God created sin

[darkspeed6]

All imperfections r sin. All sin falls short of god. God is good. All sin falls short of good. Babies in the womb r imperfections. God formed them in the womb. God formed imperfections that were falling short of god, which means they were sins. God formed sins

Good = god
Sin = all imperfections = all that falls short of god
Babies formed by god in the womb = imperfections

 

[quietthinker]

All imperfections r sin. All sin falls short of god. God is good. All sin falls short of good. Babies in the womb r imperfections. God formed them in the womb. God formed imperfections that were falling short of god, which means they were sins. God formed sins

Good = god
Sin = all imperfections = all that falls short of god
Babies formed by god in the womb = imperfections

You are confusing and trapping yourself with your logic; joining dots so that the picture which emerges for yourself is a distortion

 

[darkspeed6]

You are confusing and trapping yourself with your logic; joining dots so that the picture which emerges for yourself is a distortion

That's you...

Please explain how my logic isnt right

How is imperfection not sin?

 

[quietthinker]

That's you...

Please explain how my logic isnt right

How is imperfection not sin?

Sin is a factor which destroys.
A child born with missing limbs has an imperfect body.

 

[TheHC]

“God created sin”?
Oh grief.

No… Deuteronomy 32:4,5.

God created all intelligent life-forms with Free Will, the ability to make our own choices, good or bad.


All humans are now imperfect because of the choice A&E made. When they rebelled, they became imperfect, and as their descendants, we inherited their imperfection. - Romans 5:12

 

[darkspeed6]

Sin is a factor which destroys.
A child born with missing limbs has an imperfect body.

That doesn't mean imperfection isn't sin. An imperfect body is sin. All bodies r used for sin. The bible says the flesh becomes sin everyday for all people

A body in the womb is flesh and its imperfect flesh. It's a key point to remember here that the bible tells us that imperfections r sin because they fall short of good/god.

What falls short of good must be worse than good. What is worse than good must be sin.

 

[quietthinker]

That doesn't mean imperfection isn't sin. An imperfect body is sin. All bodies r used for sin. The bible says the flesh becomes sin everyday for all people

a hammer can be used to build a house or hit someone on the head.....do we blame the hammer?

 

[darkspeed6]

a hammer can be used to build a house or hit someone on the head.....do we blame the hammer?

Yes. That's why we would say it's because of the hammer. We would say it's because of the wielder of the hammer. But we wouldnt say the hammer isn't partially to blame.

 

[darkspeed6]

Why would something fall short of good/god, unless it was sin?

How can imperfection not fall short of good/god, if it's not equal to God?

God is perfect. Imperfections aren't perfect

Babies r imperfect, perfect isn't babies

 

[Deborah_]

Sin = all imperfections = all that falls short of god

This is the flaw in your logic. Sin and imperfection are not equivalent.

Sin is rebellion, disobedience. An object or creature is not sin in and of itself.

 

[Matthias]

God is perfect.

The God whom you don’t believe exists but does, always has and always will.

Why do you speak about him?

What is your hope?

 

[Angelina]

All imperfections r sin. All sin falls short of god. God is good. All sin falls short of good. Babies in the womb r imperfections. God formed them in the womb. God formed imperfections that were falling short of god, which means they were sins. God formed sins

Good = god
Sin = all imperfections = all that falls short of god
Babies formed by god in the womb = imperfection

@darkspeed6

1.Your Thread topic "God Created Sin" is moot. Sin is: "disobedience toward God" It is described in the bible as transgression of the law of God.

2. Imperfection is the state of a fallen world due to disobedience toward God in the garden.

3. Sin came into the world through one man (Adam) and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned. (Romans 5:12) However, those who believe in his Son are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. (Romans 3:23)

4. Babies are born into a fallen world. Babies are not imperfect. Children are a heritage from the Lord. 1 John 2.
Little children are from God 1 John 4:4. You need to become like children to enter the kingdom of heaven (Matt 18:3)
Children are a gift from the Lord; they are a reward from him. Children born to a young man are like arrows in a warrior’s hands. How joyful is the man whose quiver is full of them! (Psalm127:3-5)

God - Righteous and Holy
Sin - Fall of man in the garden through disobedience (original sin - Adam)
Restoration - through Jesus Christ by faith. (Romans 3: 23-26)
Babies formed by God in the womb - a blessing and a heritage from God....

 

[PanInVietnam]

Sin is: "disobedience toward God" It is described in the bible as transgression of the law of God.

good definition of the word sin. so which law from which God? Chinese gods, European gods, Japanese gods, Korean gods etc at least definition of sin is correct.

 

[Matthias]

good definition of the word sin. so which law from which God? Chinese gods, European gods, Japanese gods, Korean gods etc at least definition of sin is correct.

Have you compared and contrasted the “Chinese gods, European gods, Japanese gods, Korean gods, etc.” with the one God of Israel?

 

[PanInVietnam]

at least for Israel, they have it in their history so i would say should be more credible than other cultures of the world... i am still thinking about this Israeli God after googled more on Israel's 1948 re-establishment as a nation again and its wars... a miracle indeed... recall Eliyahu's link on signs (so something like that) of jewish people..

 

[VictoryinJesus]

All imperfections r sin. All sin falls short of god. God is good. All sin falls short of good. Babies in the womb r imperfections. God formed them in the womb. God formed imperfections that were falling short of god, which means they were sins. God formed sins

Good = god
Sin = all imperfections = all that falls short of god
Babies formed by god in the womb = imperfections

But what if what we call imperfections is not imperfections? I know a girl with cerebral palsy. Her mother and I have been friends for years. You’d be surprised how many say she has a devil. Or that something deformed is about her. But that is judging by sight. Her passion at seventeen is help others with hindrances.

We say defects or babies born on crack are ugly ..God didn’t smoke the crack. But what is formed is a tender child loved by God same as any person suffering from the abuse of the sins of coldness, selfishness, and all this world does to those called “weak” and susceptible. This world says unless it’s beautiful and perfect to stare at like that tree in the garden which was pleasing on the eyes, looking good for food …then unless it’s what man calls perfect it’s not good for anything. What if what we call “imperfect” is our arrogance and elevation of self that …that sees “ one has a bad wound or scar” making it ugly…asking “why does God make ugly?” …God doesn’t make ugly. It’s man’s hearts where I’ve been warned “if you could listen in on others thoughts throughout the day. It would scare you.” Just an opinion. We judge by seeing the outward. Doesn’t it say God looks at the heart?

I could be all the “defects” of this world …is where God is. Not on Hollywood Blvd looking for the next superstar.

I’m not trying to school you. I get it. I also wonder why it has to be this way. Thinking also imperfect means too short of a life.

 

[MA2444]

That doesn't mean imperfection isn't sin. An imperfect body is sin. All bodies r used for sin. The bible says the flesh becomes sin everyday for all people

A body in the womb is flesh and its imperfect flesh. It's a key point to remember here that the bible tells us that imperfections r sin because they fall short of good/god.

What falls short of good must be worse than good. What is worse than good must be sin.

So you are trying to Believe the Bible and want to believe it, is that correct? I'm guessing yes it is based on how you worded that, and that's fine. But starting from that perspective...now flip over to

Deuteronomy 32: 4-5
32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
32:5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation...KJV

So if you are believing the Bible or trying to, then are these verses also true? They would have to be true. You asserted that scripture says one thing, and as good students we are charged with knowing thatall scripture interpretaion must agree with ALL other scripture. So, Yes or no and if no then Lucy you got some 'splaining to do as to why not. and show how you reconcily your scriptures that say what you said it says and how it reconciles with the above posted verses.

Fairly simple. You're smart, right? So tell us please.

 

[MA2444]

Why would something fall short of good/god, unless it was sin?

How can imperfection not fall short of good/god, if it's not equal to God?

God is perfect. Imperfections aren't perfect

Babies r imperfect, perfect isn't babies

I would suggest to you to not be rash about jumping to absolute conclusions about big things like you assert at your age. You are 24? So your brain isn't even fully developed yet. You may be at that age where you feel like you know it all, and I speak from experience because I was at that same place mentally when I was your age. I just turned 62 years old recently. So it's easy for me to look back and say wow, I was a idiot back then and have learned soo many things since then that it's obvious to me that wisdom comes with time. It did for me, it will for you.

You have a well intentioned mistake about your conclusion and so it would be a good idea to listen to what us older folks are saying to you. You have made a mistake and are wrong. Everyonne cant be wrong! Roll with it, we've all made blunders before.

Give it time. Read the entire Bible from cover to cover. When you pick it up and read little blurbs so make guesses about things you can easily be wrong because that particular assertion of yours just happened to be addressed in Dueteronomy. And it's that way with a lot of things in scripture. It's like God shuffled the lessons before it went to print, so you have to read it all and get the big picture.

When Adam & Eve were in the garden of Eden, they had one rule to live by and be obediant to God...Don't eat that one particular tree. Eat everything else but not that one tree. They disobeyed God and so that had effects upon the them and the whole earth because of A&E's Disobediance. They died spiritually that day and the earth was brought under a curse because of the disobediance. Here we are 6000 years or so later and the earth is still under that curse.

And if you read the entire Bible, you will see that it talks a lot about planting seeds. A seed is not imperfect, nor is it a Pear tree, so in a sense a seed is an imperfect Pear tree. But if one is patient and plants the seed and gives it time, it will grow and develop and will soon begin to bear fruit and therein is the perfection realized. Understand?

It's the same thing with me. It's the same thing with you. Understand how life works. You must grow and develop before you will begin to bear fruit. If you continue learning. If you can't own your mistakes, then how shall you grow and learn? Own your mistake and learn and grow brother. Move on and learn, pray about it.

Don't lobotimize yourself and through pride & ego make it more about being right rather than what is the truth. When someone gets lobotomized then they will not develop and are the mental age of 3 yrs old or so. We have to be teachable and willing to learn to stop the Lobotomy.

 

[Matthias]

at least for Israel, they have it in their history so i would say should be more credible than other cultures of the world... i am still thinking about this Israeli God after googled more on Israel's 1948 re-establishment as a nation again and its wars... a miracle indeed... recall Eliyahu's link on signs (so something like that) of jewish people..

The “Israeli God” is the living God; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. In the New Testament we read about the Jewish struggle among themselves in the 1st century over the issue of the Messiah, who the living God promised to raise up from among them. The New Testament witness is the claim that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah promised, raised up and sent into the world by the living God. Some of his fellow Jews believed that he is; most of his fellow Jews believed that he isn’t.

 

[MA2444]

The “Israeli God” is the living God; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. In the New Testament we read about the Jewish struggle among themselves in the 1st century over the issue of the Messiah, who the living God promised to raise up from among them. The New Testament witness is the claim that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah promised, raised up and sent into the world by the living God. Some of his fellow Jews believed that he is; most of his fellow Jews believed that he isn’t.

He came in Disguise, as one of us! Through the prophecies in Daniel (or before?) they were supposed to know the day of His arrival and they had no clue. Us dumb humans, lol. But he showed up on the exact day prophecised when He rode the Donkey into Jerusalem. They didn't know it and that's the reason that God gave them 70 weeks to come to repentace and accept Him as Messiah.

But they said, Who are you?
So Jesus told them.
So they said, hey we dont like how you talk, you make our consciences attack us! Kill Him, Kill Him!!

And we went from there. Before He left thim, He told them that He will not return until they say, blessed be He who comes in the name of the Lord, as a nation! Which they havent done yet, but they will, eventually.