Why its important to keep the Sabbath

[Grailhunter]

Correct = The TEN Commandments were placed INSIDE the ARK of the Covenant

Two questions:

a.) Do you think that ARK is related(spiritually) to the ARK that Noah was Rescued in?

b.) What was on Top of the Ark that Moses built?

The Ark of the Covenant's connection to Noah's Ark
That gets into a broader topic as in connections to Old Testament Covenants. Each Covenant was a new relationship with Yahweh, leading to the ultimate Covenant established by Yeshua. But according to some there where similarities between the shape and construction of the two....

The Ark and the Tent: Temple Symbolism in the Story of Noah

Abstract: Jeffrey M. Bradshaw compares Moses’ tabernacle and Noah’s ark, and then identifies the story of Noah as a temple related drama, drawing of temple mysticism and symbols. After examining structural similarities between ark and tabernacle and bringing into the discussion further information a

journal.interpreterfoundation.org

And regarding to what was on top of the Ark of the Covenant….The Mercy Seat

According to the Hebrew Bible, the kaporet (Hebrew: כַּפֹּרֶת kapōreṯ) or mercy seat was the gold lid placed on the Ark of the Covenant, with two cherubim at the ends to cover and create the space in which Yahweh appeared and dwelled. This was connected with the rituals of the Day of Atonement.

Exodus 25:18-22
18 You shall make two cherubim of gold, make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the mercy seat at its two ends. 20 The cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the mercy seat with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the mercy seat. 21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony which I will give to you. 22 There I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel.

 

[marks]

OK - Great questions my Brother in Christ AND the answers have already been Given to us.


GOSPEL
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


Hebrews 3:1-6 = KEY verse is #6

Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house.
For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,
Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.


Love you @Mark and @BarneyFife and @Brakelite

However, you've neglected to answer my question.

To whom was it written?

Answer: the house of Israel, and the house of Judah, those whom God brought out of Egypt. Israel.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

The Ark of the Covenant's connection to Noah's Ark
That gets into a broader topic as in connections to Old Testament Covenants. Each Covenant was a new relationship with Yahweh, leading to the ultimate Covenant established by Yeshua. But according to some there where similarities between the shape and construction of the two....

The Ark and the Tent: Temple Symbolism in the Story of Noah

Abstract: Jeffrey M. Bradshaw compares Moses’ tabernacle and Noah’s ark, and then identifies the story of Noah as a temple related drama, drawing of temple mysticism and symbols. After examining structural similarities between ark and tabernacle and bringing into the discussion further information a

journal.interpreterfoundation.org

And regarding to what was on top of the Ark of the Covenant….The Mercy Seat

According to the Hebrew Bible, the kaporet (Hebrew: כַּפֹּרֶת kapōreṯ) or mercy seat was the gold lid placed on the Ark of the Covenant, with two cherubim at the ends to cover and create the space in which Yahweh appeared and dwelled. This was connected with the rituals of the Day of Atonement.

Exodus 25:18-22
18 You shall make two cherubim of gold, make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the mercy seat at its two ends. 20 The cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the mercy seat with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the mercy seat. 21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony which I will give to you. 22 There I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel.

@marks , @BarneyFife @Brakelite @amigo de christo @amadeus @Ziggy

And the LORD appeared before Moses on/above the Mercy Seat between the Cherubim.

Exodus 25:22
There I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel.

Numbers 7:89
Now when Moses went into the tabernacle of meeting to speak with Him, he heard the voice of One speaking to him from above the mercy seat that was on the ark of the Testimony, from between the two cherubim; thus He spoke to him.

Leviticus 16:1-2
Now the Lord spoke to Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered profane fire before the Lord, and died; and the Lord said to Moses: “Tell Aaron your brother not to come at just any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark, lest he die; for I will appear in the cloud above the mercy seat.

The TEN Commandments are inside the ARK while the LORD appears Above the Mercy Seat.

Now go back and read Matthew 19:16-21 and count the Commandments.

 

[David in NJ]

However, you've neglected to answer my question.

To whom was it written?

Answer: the house of Israel, and the house of Judah, those whom God brought out of Egypt. Israel.

Much love!

marks,
Did you not SEE the answers that God gave to you??? = from His Word

Those are not my opinions.

 

[Grailhunter]

@marks , @BarneyFife @Brakelite @amigo de christo @amadeus @Ziggy

And the LORD appeared before Moses on/above the Mercy Seat between the Cherubim.

Exodus 25:22
There I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel.

Numbers 7:89
Now when Moses went into the tabernacle of meeting to speak with Him, he heard the voice of One speaking to him from above the mercy seat that was on the ark of the Testimony, from between the two cherubim; thus He spoke to him.

Leviticus 16:1-2
Now the Lord spoke to Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered profane fire before the Lord, and died; and the Lord said to Moses: “Tell Aaron your brother not to come at just any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark, lest he die; for I will appear in the cloud above the mercy seat.

The TEN Commandments are inside the ARK while the LORD appears Above the Mercy Seat.

Now go back and read Matthew 19:16-21 and count the Commandments.

Now go back and read Matthew 19:16-21 and count the Commandments.....
I think we have already did this.

Five and they added love your neighbor as yourself …. Which is a good New Covenant teaching but not part of the Ten summaries in chapter 20

It makes sense that the basic morality would go forward to the New Covenant.
How could it not? Is Christianity going to allow any of this?
That does not mean the Mosaic Law comes forward into the New Covenant.
For one you cannot follow observe part of the Law and discard the rest…that is one of the worst sacrileges in the Old Covenant.

 

[David in NJ]

Now go back and read Matthew 19:16-21 and count the Commandments.....
I think we have already did this.

Five and they added love your neighbor as yourself …. Which is a good New Covenant teaching but not part of the Ten summaries in chapter 20

It makes sense that the basic morality would go forward to the New Covenant.
How could it not? Is Christianity going to allow any of this?
That does not mean the Mosaic Law comes forward into the New Covenant.
For one you cannot follow observe part of the Law and discard the rest…that is one of the worst sacrileges in the Old Covenant.

All TEN Commandments are there in PERSON.

Thus the 7th NEW Commandment of the 7th Day = "Come and follow ME"

The commandments that JESUS did not state is because they are in HIM and Point to HIM.

Love the LORD God with all your heart = JESUS and the FATHER are ONE
No other gods/idols = JESUS says, If you love ME keep MY commandments
Keep the Sabbath = JESUS is the 7th Day of REST = "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

 

[marks]

marks,
Did you not SEE the answers that God gave to you??? = from His Word

Those are not my opinions.

I'm simply quoting the Scriptures to you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

All TEN Commandments are there in PERSON.

Thus the 7th NEW Commandment of the 7th Day = "Come and follow ME"

The commandments that JESUS did not state is because they are in HIM and Point to HIM.

Love the LORD God with all your heart = JESUS and the FATHER are ONE
No other gods/idols = JESUS says, If you love ME keep MY commandments
Keep the Sabbath = JESUS is the 7th Day of REST = "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

Just to let you know, those big fonts are hard on this old guy's eyes.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

I'm simply quoting the Scriptures to you.

Much love!

YES, my Brother - Thank You

If, we allow Scripture to SPEAK to us, the understanding will follow in our hearts.

Shalom

 

[David in NJ]

Just to let you know, those big fonts are hard on this old guy's eyes.

Much love!

This old guy over here needs LARGE PRINT Bibles - lol

 

[Grailhunter]

All TEN Commandments are there in PERSON.

Thus the 7th NEW Commandment of the 7th Day = "Come and follow ME"

The commandments that JESUS did not state is because they are in HIM and Point to HIM.

Love the LORD God with all your heart = JESUS and the FATHER are ONE
No other gods/idols = JESUS says, If you love ME keep MY commandments
Keep the Sabbath = JESUS is the 7th Day of REST = "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

Hey you told me to count them and I did.

We are talking about the Mosaic Law in the New Covenant and it is not there.
Beliefs, Truths, Facts….you can believe anything.
But putting your beliefs over and above the scriptures is another thing.
Trying to mix Judaism with Christianity is always a bad idea.
Christ warned about that.

 

[David in NJ]

Hey you told me to count them and I did.

We are talking about the Mosaic Law in the New Covenant and it is not there.
Beliefs, Truths, Facts….you can believe anything.
But putting your beliefs over and above the scriptures is another thing.
Trying to mix Judaism with Christianity is always a bad idea.
Christ warned about that.

i said TEN Commandments

They are all there in CHRIST who is One who appeared before Moses on the Mercy Seat and inside the Ark is the Ten Commandments.
They reside in CHRIST.

 

[Grailhunter]

i said TEN Commandments

They are all there in CHRIST who is One who appeared before Moses on the Mercy Seat and inside the Ark is the Ten Commandments.
They reside in CHRIST.

These are the Ten Commandments that God called the Ten Commandments that were part the Covenant and wrote on the Tablets in chapter 34 not the summaries in chapter 20. Either way the OId Testament Laws...in the Old Covenant are not in the New Covenant. If you want to be a jew they will let you convert. But there is no Christian religion that is a mixing of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant....again Christ warned about that.

 

[David in NJ]

These are the Ten Commandments that God called the Ten Commandments that were part the Covenant and wrote on the Tablets in chapter 34 not the summaries in chapter 20. Either way the OId Testament Laws...in the Old Covenant are not in the New Covenant. If you want to be a jew they will let you convert. But there is no Christian religion that is a mixing of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant....again Christ warned about that.

The TEN Commandments are Eternal in Christ.

That is why God told Moses to place them inside the Ark of the Covenant.

The TEN are not the Mosaic law but the 600 other commandments are.

ONLY the Ten are inside the Ark - not the other Mosaic commandments.

CHRIST established all TEN Commandments for us and HE writes them on our hearts = Jeremiah 31:31-34

All TEN Commandments are repeated in the Gospel AND Christ is the FULFILLMENT of them.

 

[BarneyFife]

I'm saying the Law included blessings and cursings. If they obeyed, they were blessed. If they disobeyed, they were cursed. This was not applied to the Gentile king. God blessed him regardless of his not keeping the covenant God made with Israel that we call the Law and the Prophets.


I don't know. It seems so clear in the Bible.


I don't know what you are asking me here.


I believe that many who lived before Christ, and the new covenant, will be there with God and the redeemed in the end.


Rather, that all nations would come to the light seen in Israel. "the stranger that sojourns among you." That they would proselytize.

Much love!

How in the world did we get from "Why It's Important To Keep The Sabbath" to "God Blessed Nebuchadnezzar?"

God has mercy on whom He will (Romans 9:15, Exodus 33:19). He causes the rain and shine to fall on the just and the unjust (Matthew 5:45). Nebuchadnezzar's status as God's special servant is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Remembering to keep the Sabbath Day holy is the 4th article of the moral code for human beings—not a subset of busywork for ancient Hebrew emancipates.


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[Grailhunter]

The TEN Commandments are Eternal in Christ.

That is why God told Moses to place them inside the Ark of the Covenant.

The TEN are not the Mosaic law but the 600 other commandments are.

ONLY the Ten are inside the Ark - not the other Mosaic commandments.

CHRIST established all TEN Commandments for us and HE writes them on our hearts = Jeremiah 31:31-34

All TEN Commandments are repeated in the Gospel AND Christ is the FULFILLMENT of them.

The ten summaries of Laws and the Ten Commandments are part of the Mosiac Law and none of them pertain to Christians….How many times does the New testament tell us that we are not under the Law? How many times?

The ten item in chapter 20 are summaries of Laws in the Mosaic Laws and the Ten Commandments in chapter 34 that God called commandments and are part of the Old Covenant and were written on the Tablets and are part of the 613 Mosaic Law, all of which has nothing to do with Christians.

Only the Ten Commandments in chapter 34 were in the Ark of the Covenant…Nowhere does the scriptures say the summaries were written on the Tablets or put in the Ark of the Covenant.

Christ did not establish any part of the Old Testament Commandments or Laws.

The basic morals of the Old Covenant are mentioned in the New Testament, basic morals but the teachings of Christ and the Apostle far exceed the morals of anything in the Old Testament. And maybe that is your problem with understanding all this. The Law as a concept is not preached in the New Testament. The Law separated God from His people. There was no forgiveness for breaking the Law. You break one you are completely out….You break one, you break them all in that one instance. One of the reasons that God had to separate Himself from all His people. When Christ died on the cross the veil was torn in two and we were no longer separated from God. Again how many times does the New Testament tell us that Christians are not under the Law.

What is the driving force for you to be under the law? Do you want to sell your daughters as sex slaves? Do you want to have multiple wives? The New Testament does not preach Judaism so what is your motivation?

 

[David in NJ]

The ten summaries of Laws and the Ten Commandments are part of the Mosiac Law and none of them pertain to Christians….How many times does the New testament tell us that we are not under the Law? How many times?

The ten item in chapter 20 are summaries of Laws in the Mosaic Laws and the Ten Commandments in chapter 34 that God called commandments and are part of the Old Covenant and were written on the Tablets and are part of the 613 Mosaic Law, all of which has nothing to do with Christians.

Only the Ten Commandments in chapter 34 were in the Ark of the Covenant…Nowhere does the scriptures say the summaries were written on the Tablets or put in the Ark of the Covenant.

Christ did not establish any part of the Old Testament Commandments or Laws.

The basic morals of the Old Covenant are mentioned in the New Testament, basic morals but the teachings of Christ and the Apostle far exceed the morals of anything in the Old Testament. And maybe that is your problem with understanding all this. The Law as a concept is not preached in the New Testament. The Law separated God from His people. There was no forgiveness for breaking the Law. You break one you are completely out….You break one, you break them all in that one instance. One of the reasons that God had to separate Himself from all His people. When Christ died on the cross the veil was torn in two and we were no longer separated from God. Again how many times does the New Testament tell us that Christians are not under the Law.

What is the driving force for you to be under the law? Do you want to sell your daughters as sex slaves? Do you want to have multiple wives? The New Testament does not preach Judaism so what is your motivation?

i am in CHRIST and FREE from the old covenant law.

The TEN are not considered part of the old covenant law = which is why CHRIST confirmed them in HIMSELF.
All TEN commandments are reiterated by the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles = in CHRIST

Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

What law did God place in our hearts and minds? = the same ones that Christ commanded us.

John 14:15 - If you love Me, keep My commandments.

1 John 2:3-6 - Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

 

[Grailhunter]

The TEN are not considered part of the old covenant law = which is why CHRIST confirmed them in HIMSELF.
All TEN commandments are reiterated by the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles = in CHRIST

The ten summaries and the Ten Commandments that God called commandments are part of the Mosaic Law and you will not find a scripture that says they are not.

The basic Laws are basic morals but not Laws in the New Covenant….I mean what are you thinking? Do you think that adultery and murder could be allowed in Christianity? Could it be any other way?

Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Quoting Jewish scriptures to prove what?

John 14:15 - If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Christ defined those commandments….

Matthew 22:34-40
But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

What He was saying was that these two Commandments are of a higher morality…greater and above anything the Old Testament has to offer.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Well, judging from your flippant ("lol") attitude, I'd say:

As many times as it takes to keep yourself and other Sabbath objectors convinced that it's relevant to the 4th commandment issue, I guess?

I don't think they actually understand what that passage is saying.

 

[BarneyFife]

I don't think they actually understand what that passage is saying.

I think that might be the understatement of the present age—and I don't mean that in any way critical to you. :)


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