Why its important to keep the Sabbath

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And after His death, the people went and rested on the saturday sabbath................................

Some rest - huh!

But then came the Rising SON and a New DAY of Worship and REST began for His People!!!
So, I believe the sign they were given to watch for is Jesus' death.
In it thou shalt do no work in it.

1Pe 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1Pe 4:3
For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1Pe 4:4
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
1Pe 4:5
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
1Pe 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1Pe 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
1Pe 4:9
Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
1Pe 4:10
As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

Jesus showed us his death and ressurection when John Baptised him and he began his Ministry for the Kingdom of God.
Ye must be born again.
And right after that the spirit takes him to the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Satan don't like people cheating death. He wants people to fall under his authority. Under his shadow of death.
And Jesus knew that he was going to taste death, but the taste of Life was better.

Heb 6:4
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

1Pe 2:1
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1Pe 2:2
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3
If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

Jhn 8:52
Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Milk and honey.
The Word and Grace.

Act 20:32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Col 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Jhn 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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I heard this song today. I just want to share it.
Been on a rollercoaster ride with Dad for the last few months.
I really appreciate you all being patient with me.
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So, I believe the sign they were given to watch for is Jesus' death.
In it thou shalt do no work in it.

1Pe 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1Pe 4:3
For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1Pe 4:4
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
1Pe 4:5
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
1Pe 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1Pe 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
1Pe 4:9
Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
1Pe 4:10
As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

Jesus showed us his death and ressurection when John Baptised him and he began his Ministry for the Kingdom of God.
Ye must be born again.
And right after that the spirit takes him to the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Satan don't like people cheating death. He wants people to fall under his authority. Under his shadow of death.
And Jesus knew that he was going to taste death, but the taste of Life was better.

Heb 6:4
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

1Pe 2:1
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1Pe 2:2
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3
If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

Jhn 8:52
Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Milk and honey.
The Word and Grace.

Act 20:32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Col 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Jhn 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hugs
So, I believe the sign they were given to watch for is Jesus' death.
In it thou shalt do no work in it.

God finished His Work and HE rested on the 7th DAY.

Same day satan entered the Garden and performed his work, which is religion.


And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.
You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”

If we attempt to "add" to the FINISHED WORK of GOD in CHRIST, we are 'working' to establish our own righteousness.

If we surrender our sin/self/religious adequacy to CHRIST, then we have Eternal REST in GOD.
 
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Jesus CLEARLY said there are no Sabbath commands for Christians! NONE! We have the New Covenant!
No doubt you will be able to quote this clear "thus saith the Lord, there is no Sabbath in the NT".
Interestingly, I and others have quoted numerous verses stating CLEARLY that the laws and commandments of God are forever. And they are ignored.
 

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I am, compared to what Jesus said.

Galatians 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse;

Does being "of the works of the law" include observing the other 9 commandments, as well, Jack? :)

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2 Corinthians 7-11
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.
For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious
Barney quoted an excellent essay explaining those passages. Seems you missed the email.
If we attempt to "add" to the FINISHED WORK of GOD in CHRIST, we are 'working' to establish our own righteousness.
That's true. Know anyone doing that? I might. 90% of Christianity honour a day unsanctioned by God. Others think believe it or not, that Jesus said rest in Me and ignore the day. Still others don't think God cares what day, so long as it's one in 7. Many of those people above think they are earning their salvation and adding to God's sacred writ. Others a simply ignorant of the truth.

Among those above are some who ought to know better, particularly those who claim to know and understand the truth, and they are worse than all, because they have this predilection toward accusing those who actually observe the day God actually did make sacred, in loving response to what He accomplished for them, as being legalistic and Judaizers. These ones doing such accusing we need to be aware of. They are like Jesuits accusing true Christians of heresy and burning them at the stake while they themselves refuse to obey God inventing reasons why they don't need to.
 

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Same day satan entered the Garden and performed his work, which is religion.
You no doubt have some biblical evidence in support of the above. Right? It's not just another, "thus saith David"?
“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.
You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
All of which is absolute truth. Clearly and succinctly the word of God to the children of Israel.
So. Who is Israel? And who are truly Israel's children? Are they the fleshly Jewish people? Or is there a deeper significance to the term, Israel and his children.
 

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When you find the true answer to that ^^^^, then ask yourself about the promise of God to Israel to write His laws on their hearts. A NT promise btw. Who does that actually apply to? The nation? Or God's church?
 

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If you guys were knowledgeable and I do say if…..you would know that this topic is near to irrelevant.

Sure the Jewish-Christians like the Apostle could observe the Sabbath….did they? Did they sacrifice animals? Do you know what would happen if someone entered the Temple and refused to sacrifice an animal as a offering to Yahweh. If you do not know, I will tell you….things would go south pretty quick. I wonder while they were in the Temple and synagogues were the Jews and Jewish-Christians discussing selling their daughters as sex slaves to each other? (Concubine)

Showing your pee pee at the door….only the circumcised were allowed in the Temple and the synagogues. Gentile-Christians were not allowed in the Temple or the synagogues. So for them to observe the Jewish Sabbath was near to impossible.

Now a days the Jew-wannabes thump the Bible and play Jew and think they got it right. Just like the kids that wear the hoods and man-buns like gang members but like they say if your gonna do the talk the talk, ya gotta do the walk the walk!

The word Sabbath come from the Mosaic Law and the process was defined by the Mosaic Law with execution the result for violations. The word Sabbath does not appear in Genesis for a very good reason….it was not established at that point….There wasn’t many processes for observing the 7th day in Genesis….which is fine….but by no stretch of the imagination can you call that the Sabbath, no more than you can call it Easter or Christmas.

But in the interest of humor why don’t some of you Jew wannabes tell us how you observe the 7th day or the Sabbath or find the Sabbath procedures in Genesis. What I have found is that people that talk this junk, are just wanting attention. They do not even know how to observe the Sabbath and would have a willy-nilly approach to it, which would get them killed if they were following the rules.

How to observe the Jewish Saturday Sabbath
Of course, no discussion of Shabbat would be complete without a discussion of the work that is forbidden on Shabbat. This is another aspect of Shabbat that is grossly misunderstood by people who do not observe it.

Most Americans see the word "work" and think of it in the English sense of the word: physical labor and effort, or employment. Under this definition, turning on a light would be permitted, because it does not require effort, but a rabbi would not be permitted to lead Shabbat services, because leading services is his employment. Jewish law prohibits the former and permits the latter. Many Americans therefore conclude that Jewish law doesn't make any sense.

The problem lies not in Jewish law, but in the definition that Americans are using. The Torah does not prohibit "work" in the 20th century English sense of the word. The Torah prohibits "melachah" (Mem-Lamed-Alef-Kaf-Heh), which is usually translated as "work," but does not mean precisely the same thing as the English word. Before you can begin to understand the Shabbat restrictions, you must understand the word "melachah."

Melachah generally refers to the kind of work that is creative, or that exercises control or dominion over your environment. The word may be related to "melech" (king; Mem-Lamed-Kaf). The quintessential example of melachah is the work of creating the universe, which G-d ceased from on the seventh day. Note that G-d's work did not require a great physical effort: he spoke, and it was done.

The word melachah is rarely used in scripture outside of the context of Shabbat and holiday restrictions. The only other repeated use of the word is in the discussion of the building of the sanctuary and its vessels in the wilderness. Exodus Ch. 31, 35-38. Notably, the Shabbat restrictions are reiterated during this discussion (Ex. 31:13), thus we can infer that the work of creating the sanctuary had to be stopped for Shabbat. From this, the rabbis concluded that the work prohibited on the Shabbat is the same as the work of creating the sanctuary.

They found 39 categories of forbidden acts, all of which are types of work that were needed to build the sanctuary:

SowingPlowingReapingBinding sheavesThreshingWinnowing
SelectingGrindingSiftingKneadingBakingShearing wool
Washing woolBeating woolDyeing woolSpinningWeavingMaking two loops
Weaving threadsSeparating threadsTyingUntyingSewing two stitchesTearing
TrappingSlaughteringFlayingSalting meatCuring hideScraping hide
Cutting hide upWriting two lettersErasing two lettersBuildingTearing a building downExtinguishing a fire
Kindling a fireHitting with a hammerTransporting an object from the private domain to the public domain

All of these tasks are prohibited, as well as any task that operates by the same principle or has the same purpose. In addition, the rabbis have prohibited coming into contact with any implement that could be used for one of the above purposes (for example, you may not touch a hammer or a pencil), travel, buying and selling, and other weekday tasks that would interfere with the spirit of Shabbat. The use of electricity is prohibited because it serves the same function as fire or some of the other prohibitions, or because it is technically considered to be "fire."

The issue of the use of an automobile on Shabbat, so often argued by non-observant Jews, is not really an issue at all for observant Jews. The automobile is powered by an internal combustion engine, which operates by burning gasoline and oil, a clear violation of the Torah prohibition against kindling a fire. In addition, the movement of the car would constitute transporting an object in the public domain, another violation of a Torah prohibition, and in all likelihood the car would be used to travel a distance greater than that permitted by rabbinical prohibitions. For all these reasons, and many more, the use of an automobile on Shabbat is clearly not permitted.

As with almost all of the commandments, all of these Shabbat restrictions can be violated if necessary to save a life.

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A Typical Shabbat
At about 2PM or 3PM on Friday afternoon, observant Jews leave the office to begin Shabbat preparations. The mood is much like preparing for the arrival of a special, beloved guest: the house is cleaned, the family bathes and dresses up, the best dishes and tableware are set, a festive meal is prepared. In addition, everything that cannot be done during Shabbat must be set up in advance: lights and appliances must be set (or timers placed on them, if the household does so), the light bulb in the refrigerator must be removed, so it does not turn on when you open it, and preparations for the remaining Shabbat meals must be made.

The Shabbat, like all Jewish days, begins at sunset, because in the story of creation in Genesis Ch. 1, you will notice that it says, "And there was evening, and there was morning, one day." From this, we infer that a day begins with evening, that is, sunset. Shabbat candles are lit and a blessing is recited no later than eighteen minutes before sunset. This ritual, performed by the woman of the house, officially marks the beginning of the Shabbat. Two candles are lit, representing the two commandments: zachor and shamor.

The family then attends a brief evening service (45 minutes - that's brief by Jewish standards - see Jewish Liturgy).

After services, the family comes home for a festive, leisurely dinner. Before dinner, it is customary for parents to bless their children. Then the man of the house recites Kiddush, a prayer over wine sanctifying the Shabbat. The usual prayer for eating bread is recited over two loaves of challah, a sweet, eggy bread shaped in a braid. The family then eats dinner. Although there are no specific requirements or customs regarding what to eat, meals are generally stewed or slow cooked items, because of the prohibition against cooking during the Shabbat. (Things that are mostly cooked before Shabbat and then reheated or kept warm are OK).

After dinner, the birkat ha-mazon (grace after meals) is recited. Although this is done every day, on the Shabbat, it is done in a leisurely manner with many upbeat tunes.

By the time all of this is completed, it may be 9PM or later. The family has an hour or two to talk or study Torah, and then go to sleep.

The next morning Shabbat services begin around 9AM and continue until about noon. After services, the family says kiddush again and has another leisurely, festive meal. A typical afternoon meal is cholent, a very slowly cooked stew. By the time birkat ha-mazon is done, it is about 2PM. The family studies Torah for a while, talks, takes an afternoon walk, plays some checkers, or engages in other leisure activities. A short afternoon nap is not uncommon. It is traditional to have a third meal before the Shabbat is over. This is usually a light meal in the late afternoon.

Shabbat ends at nightfall, when three stars are visible, approximately 40 minutes after sunset. At the conclusion of Shabbat, the family performs a concluding ritual called Havdalah (separation, division). Blessings are recited over wine, spices and candles. Then a blessing is recited regarding the division between the sacred and the secular, between the Shabbat and the working days, etc.

As you can see, Shabbat is a very full day when it is properly observed, and very relaxing. You really don't miss being unable to turn on the TV, drive a car or go shopping.
 

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It's odd that it's so often Christian Sabbatarians are flatly denounced as legalist Judaizers, and often in the same post urged that they must, if they are to be taken seriously, keep the Sabbath in the same stupid, legalistic manner that Christ spent much of His time in the Gospel accounts trying to remedy.

The rabbinical set tried, in vain, to fill the void left by their insistence in favor of a human monarchy over the Theocracy with hedging rules that turned the Sabbath into a plague and by some strange phenomenon this is the impression postmodern, neo-New Covenant trumpeters have of what God promises we may rightly call a "delight" in Isaiah 58.

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It's odd that it's so often Christian Sabbatarians are flatly denounced as legalist Judaizers, and often in the same post urged that they must, if they are to be taken seriously, keep the Sabbath in the same stupid, legalistic manner that Christ spent much of His time in the Gospel accounts trying to remedy.

The rabbinical set tried, in vain, to fill the void left by their insistence in favor of a human monarchy over the Theocracy with hedging rules that turned the Sabbath into a plague and by some strange phenomenon this is the impression postmodern, neo-New Covenant trumpeters have of what God promises we may rightly call a "delight" in Isaiah 58.
Couldn't have said it better. It's also significant that those exalting and trumpeting these legalist mandates that are sourced from the ultra right of Judaism, are so often of the left wing liberal bent of Christendom. Go figure.
 

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I think the problem with legalism is that you end up stuffing your own faces instead of feeding others.
Everybody hunkering down in their own cave eating their own food instead of going out and feeding the hungry.
There's a lot of churches like that.
They eat their own regurgitated bread, instead of sharing the unleavened bread of the Lord.
There is no sincerity or truth in the world today, everyone is after their own gain.
It's all about me and to hell with you.

Just shut the gates to the city and let the people outside starve.
Who cares?

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Freely:

Num 11:5
We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick:
Num 11:6
But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes.

Hos 14:4
I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
Mat 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
1Co 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Rev 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
 

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Salt:

Of curses and blessings.

Gen 19:15
And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.
Gen 19:16
And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
Gen 19:17
And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.
Gen 19:23
The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.
Gen 19:24
Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
Gen 19:25
And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
Gen 19:26
But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

Remember the salt:

Oblation

Oblation, meaning "the act of offering; an instance of offering" and by extension "the thing offered", is a term used, particularly in ecclesiastical use, for a solemn offering, sacrifice or presentation to God, to the Church for use in God's service, or to the faithful, such as giving alms to the poor.

Lev 2:13
And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

Num 18:19
All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute for ever: it is a covenant of salt for ever before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee.
Heave Offering:
  1. contribution, offering
    1. a heave offering
    2. any offering
    3. an offering to God
    4. an offering (of grain, money, etc)
    5. contribution

The Healing properties of Salt:

Joshua cursed Jericho.

Jos 6:26
And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it.
Jos 6:27
So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

And Jericho was healed:

2Ki 2:18
And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho,) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?
2Ki 2:19
And the men of the city said unto Elisha, Behold, I pray thee, the situation of this city is pleasant, as my lord seeth: but the water is naught, and the ground barren.
2Ki 2:20
And he said, Bring me a new cruse, and put salt therein. And they brought it to him.
2Ki 2:21
And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the LORD, I have healed these waters; there shall not be from thence any more death or barren land.
2Ki 2:22
So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.

Salt works both ways.

Both a curse for those who turn back and disobey and a blessing for those who keep moving forward on the right path.


So how does salt relate to us and our use of it?
Mat 5:13
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mar 9:49
For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Mar 9:50
Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Luk 14:34
Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
Col 4:6
Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Jas 3:12
Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

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No doubt you will be able to quote this clear "thus saith the Lord, there is no Sabbath in the NT".
Interestingly, I and others have quoted numerous verses stating CLEARLY that the laws and commandments of God are forever. And they are ignored.
How many times must I quote it? lol

Colossians 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
 

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Does being "of the works of the law" include observing the other 9 commandments, as well, Jack? :)

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"The other 9 commandments" are in the New Covenant. NO SABBATH COMMANDS! NONE!

Colossians 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
 

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It's odd that it's so often Christian Sabbatarians are flatly denounced as legalist Judaizers, and often in the same post urged that they must, if they are to be taken seriously, keep the Sabbath in the same stupid, legalistic manner that Christ spent much of His time in the Gospel accounts trying to remedy.

The rabbinical set tried, in vain, to fill the void left by their insistence in favor of a human monarchy over the Theocracy with hedging rules that turned the Sabbath into a plague and by some strange phenomenon this is the impression postmodern, neo-New Covenant trumpeters have of what God promises we may rightly call a "delight" in Isaiah 58.

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The TRUE Definition of a "Christian Sabbatarian"

a.) "Come to ME and I will give you Rest" = Gospel
b.) "For we who have believed do enter that Rest" = Gospel
c.) "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" = Gospel
d.) "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day." = Gospel

Did you notice the Holy Ground upon which we who have entered His REST stand upon???

You must take your shoes off if you want to enter His REST @BarneyFife @Brakelite @Phoneman777
 

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"The other 9 commandments" are in the New Covenant. NO SABBATH COMMANDS! NONE!

Colossians 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
All TEN Commandments are in the New Covenant = Matthew 19:16-21

Count the Commandments

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
 
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It's being urged very forcefully, once again, that the Sabbath is not part of the New Covenant.

It's odd that God left Jeremiah out of the loop on that one:

Jer 31:33 KJV But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

No mention of subtracting one there.

Isaiah must have been in the dark, too:

Isa 58:13-14
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

He even records the LORD Himself calling the Sabbath "a delight!"

And yet this same institution is said by postmodern Christians to be part of that to which the apostle Paul is referring here:

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that WAS against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Just think:

The Sabbath that WAS A DELIGHT IN THE LORD also WAS AGAINST US.

And in nailing the Sabbath to the Cross, He did so to something of which He called Himself "LORD" and to something He said honoured HIM as we honoured IT!

Go figure, huh?

I know, I know: NO NT SABBATH COMMANDS!

Thing is, until the Internet got hot, nobody cared about whatever it is that that means.

They just went happily to church on Sunday, thinking they were honoring the 4th commandment—which the vast majority of them were, in an innocently ignorant sort of way.

And if I wanted to play fast and loose or uber-technical with Scripture the way postmodern Sabbath objectors do, I could say the same thing about the 3rd commandment. I don't see the command to never take the LORD'S name in vain repeated in the technical sense that Sabbath objectors demand of the 4th. Much, much more is plainly stated about Sabbath-keeping and reform. Not that I would ever discourage the keeping of the 3rd commandment.

But if I were of the same mind as many Sabbath objectors, I could mention that no one can keep the law perfectly and that a little ugly divine name-dropping is inevitable now and then and, besides, keeping the 3rd commandment won't save anyone, right? All of which is probably why so many postmodern Christians do, in fact, take the LORD'S name in vain.

The whole Sabbath-hating business sure has me stumped.

But one thing's for sure: Just as James 2:10 says: Disregarding one of God's commandments tends to lower morality, in general.

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