ABORTION / CONTRACEPTION twin evils of the same root.

[epostle1]

Little girls do not grow up dreaming of hopping from bed to bed and contraception. They dream of a man who will sweep them off their feet and love them forever, and of having his many children. A cynicism born of the sexual revolution has brought emptiness to the hearts, wombs and lives of far too many modern women. This emptiness and pain can be avoided or redeemed and healed by the love of Christ and adherence to His teachings. The Catholic Church believes in such dreams because God wrote them on the human heart. And there are men who long for such a woman to love and cherish.

Real lovers want to give without reserve in God's own superabundance creating more hearts and lives to love. Contraception is like kissing through a screen door and real love cannot tolerate obstacles. Contraception breeds selfishness and separation that drives a wedge between husband and wife that kills love. Real lovers want their love to explode into the posterity of future generations for all eternity. This is the kind of passion and fulfillment God wants for His children. Contraception limits what should be boundless. It spits in the face of this glorious passion and love's true abandon; and that is why it is a sin. It seeks to "tame" love, thus killing it. The Catholic Church is the last bastion on earth of true romance. The modern world has suffocated love and made sex a thing of deadness.

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[Rach1370]

Wow. Yup, you surely are Catholic, aren't you?
Firstly, I would say....how on earth do you know what all little girls dream of as they're growing up? Why would you presume that all of them dream the same thing? You are basing your ideas on what you wish it to be, not what actually is.

Let me ask some things...is it romantic for a woman to nearly die every time she carries a child? Is it romantic that a woman has so many little ones around her that she cannot spend time with all of them, let alone her husband (apart from perhaps making another one). Is it romantic to wonder how on earth you are going to feed all your children? How you are going to clothe them and find a warm place for them to sleep? None of that is 'romantic', and it's just ignorance on your part to try and sell it as such.

Now, I actually think large families are great. But they're great if that's what the couple think God is calling them to. It's great if they know they can afford to responsibly care for their children and if the mother knows she can effectively love each child as they need.

I think it's very easy to sit up on a throne and declare that all women must long to have child after child, and that it's selfish and ungodly not to have child after child. In fact, any woman who doesn't continually pop 'em out is as bad as the ones having abortion after abortion.

Let me tell you my situation. I have two children, whom I love dearly. But having them nearly killed me. Literally....I'm not just exaggerating. I had to be air lifted to the nearest main city. But it was not only the pregnancy that was difficult, afterwards was almost as bad. Having a chronic illness, my body didn't take to kindly to the pregnancies, and I also got post natal depression. Do you know how long it took me to recover from each pregnancy? Five years...each. It was five years before I could spend all day out of bed, looking after my children and my husband as I should. Do you have any idea what it's like to have a husband you adore and children you would die for, and not be there for them? After my youngest was born I had my tubes tied. Now, you may call me 'unromantic' or 'selfish' or even 'abortionist', but you know what? I'm actually looking after and loving the children I have now, that God has given to me; and I'm finally in a place to love and support my husband...be the 'helper' God created me to be. So my conscious is clear before God, and it's my sincere biblical belief that no one but God himself can judge me for my actions and situation in regards to this matter.

 

[Strat]

Little girls do not grow up dreaming of hopping from bed to bed and contraception. They dream of a man who will sweep them off their feet and love them forever, and of having his many children. A cynicism born of the sexual revolution has brought emptiness to the hearts, wombs and lives of far too many modern women. This emptiness and pain can be avoided or redeemed and healed by the love of Christ and adherence to His teachings. The Catholic Church believes in such dreams because God wrote them on the human heart. And there are men who long for such a woman to love and cherish.

Real lovers want to give without reserve in God's own superabundance creating more hearts and lives to love. Contraception is like kissing through a screen door and real love cannot tolerate obstacles. Contraception breeds selfishness and separation that drives a wedge between husband and wife that kills love. Real lovers want their love to explode into the posterity of future generations for all eternity. This is the kind of passion and fulfillment God wants for His children. Contraception limits what should be boundless. It spits in the face of this glorious passion and love's true abandon; and that is why it is a sin. It seeks to "tame" love, thus killing it. The Catholic Church is the last bastion on earth of true romance. The modern world has suffocated love and made sex a thing of deadness.

source



Divorce Rate Comparisons Between Couples Using Natural Family Planning & Artificial Birth Control

‘Decrease in Human Beings Will Cover Cost of Contraception Mandate,’ Claims Sebelius



Abortion as Pagan Sacrifice


HOPE AFTER ABORTION

Your statements about the Catholic church are comical at best since it is one of the most corrupt of organized religion with a long history of making its bed with the evil men of hsitory....the rest is just garden variety off the chain nonsense that makes up so much of modern christianity.The fact that marriage is offered as a choice in the bible and not a command makes null and void everything you say...your own church requires its priest and nuns to be celibate and taking a life that already exist is not the same as not creating a life...any more silly nonsense tonight ?

 

[epostle1]

Wow. Yup, you surely are Catholic, aren't you?
Firstly, I would say....how on earth do you know what all little girls dream of as they're growing up? Why would you presume that all of them dream the same thing? You are basing your ideas on what you wish it to be, not what actually is.

It's a generalization. Most little girls play house. Most little girls have dolls. Most little girls are quite happy when their lover gives them an engagement ring. Your hang up on the adjective "little" doesn't change the truth that most girls want to get married someday.

Let me ask some things...is it romantic for a woman to nearly die every time she carries a child?

A woman in that instance can use Natural Family Planning (NFP) so she doesn't risk killing her marriage. NFP doesn't violate God's laws.

Is it romantic that a woman has so many little ones around her that she cannot spend time with all of them, let alone her husband (apart from perhaps making another one).

Ask the woman which one she wants to adopt out so she can spend more time with the others, and her husband.

Is it romantic to wonder how on earth you are going to feed all your children? How you are going to clothe them and find a warm place for them to sleep? None of that is 'romantic', and it's just ignorance on your part to try and sell it as such.

If your children do not have a warm place to sleep, or enough food, there are numerous Christian agencies, Protestant and Catholic, that can help you. The Church is not responsible for the economic disparities that plague the world, greed is.

The Catholic Church does not teach that you should be irresponsible in the number or spacing of children. That is a Protestant generated myth.

Now, I actually think large families are great. But they're great if that's what the couple think God is calling them to. It's great if they know they can afford to responsibly care for their children and if the mother knows she can effectively love each child as they need.

A mothers love is not measured by division.

I think it's very easy to sit up on a throne and declare that all women must long to have child after child, and that it's selfish and ungodly not to have child after child. In fact, any woman who doesn't continually pop 'em out is as bad as the ones having abortion after abortion.

That is a Protestant generated myth. When we say reason is compatible with faith we mean it.

Let me tell you my situation. I have two children, whom I love dearly. But having them nearly killed me. Literally....I'm not just exaggerating. I had to be air lifted to the nearest main city. But it was not only the pregnancy that was difficult, afterwards was almost as bad. Having a chronic illness, my body didn't take to kindly to the pregnancies, and I also got post natal depression. Do you know how long it took me to recover from each pregnancy? Five years...each. It was five years before I could spend all day out of bed, looking after my children and my husband as I should. Do you have any idea what it's like to have a husband you adore and children you would die for, and not be there for them? After my youngest was born I had my tubes tied. Now, you may call me 'unromantic' or 'selfish' or even 'abortionist', but you know what? I'm actually looking after and loving the children I have now, that God has given to me; and I'm finally in a place to love and support my husband...be the 'helper' God created me to be. So my conscious is clear before God, and it's my sincere biblical belief that no one but God himself can judge me for my actions and situation in regards to this matter.

As a former RPN I am aware of the devastation of post nataI depression. You have my sympathies. I am confident that there is not a Catholic theologian on the planet that would tell you you should have more children. But NFP is still a better alternative to having your tubes tied because it promotes more intimacy in a marriage, not less. But what's done is done, and the Church isn't condemning you for following your conscience based on the information you had at the time. I don't condemn you either, Rach.

Your unique situation still does not justify widespread use of contraception that is killing marriages in all the churches. Some 3% of couples who use NFP end in divorce, while couples who contracept have a 50% divorce rate. Those are old stats. I'm sure now its much worse.

Just as sure as night follows day, abortion follows contraception. There are enough little corpses to fill the Rose Bowl Stadium. The Phillistines, the Amalekites, and the Caananites sacrificed children to appease their false gods; look what happened to them. Different context, but the same motive.

 

[Rach1370]

Ok, first off, I don't get how 'contraception' can lessen the intimacy in marriage. Seriously?? I would have to say that the intimacy sky rocketed in my marriage because neither of us had the fear that being together in love was going to put us through another 6 years of hell....an incredible aphrodisiac! I would also say that having my tubes tied was the least objectionable option for contraception. Unlike the pill, which basically just flushes the egg, which may or may not have been fertilized, tubal ligation means the woman never conceives at all.
Also, the matter of the Catholic Church 'supporting being responsible in the number and spacing of children' I must confess to being a little confused. Either the Catholic Church thinks that ALL contraception....and that would be the preventing (in any way) of conceiving children from natural and often relations between the parents, or it does not. You cannot say that 'contraception' is on a par with abortion, but then describe how the RCC wiggles and shimmies to get around that proclamation. It suddenly then comes down to semantics...that the RCC's form of contraception is more acceptable than the others. And despite your support of NFP, it is just a drug free way of stopping conception.

 

[epostle1]

Ok, first off, I don't get how 'contraception' can lessen the intimacy in marriage. Seriously?? I would have to say that the intimacy sky rocketed in my marriage because neither of us had the fear that being together in love was going to put us through another 6 years of hell....an incredible aphrodisiac! I would also say that having my tubes tied was the least objectionable option for contraception. Unlike the pill, which basically just flushes the egg, which may or may not have been fertilized, tubal ligation means the woman never conceives at all.


Also, the matter of the Catholic Church 'supporting being responsible in the number and spacing of children' I must confess to being a little confused. Either the Catholic Church thinks that ALL contraception....and that would be the preventing (in any way) of conceiving children from natural and often relations between the parents, or it does not. You cannot say that 'contraception' is on a par with abortion, but then describe how the RCC wiggles and shimmies to get around that proclamation. It suddenly then comes down to semantics...that the RCC's form of contraception is more acceptable than the others. And despite your support of NFP, it is just a drug free way of stopping conception.

NFP is not contraception, that is why you are confused. What's done is done. No one is imposing a guilt trip on you so that is not the reason for your hostility. If your doctor told you tubal ligation is 100% effective he lied to you.

If you get pregnant, a slight possibility but a real one nonetheless, and your baby is not ectopic, what will you do?

The contraception mentality will dictate to you to kill it. We are talking about a mentality to murder innocent babies in society, not rules and regulations, and your unique situation does not apply to the other 99.999% of the population.

Before 1930 every church on earth opposed contraception, but did a moral flip flop following the Anglicans Lambeth conference. The Catholic Church stands alone as her teachings on morals are infallible.

I'm exhasted right now. Here is the full teaching that the world does not accept.
HUMANAE VITAE

I'll post more tomorrow.

 

[Strat]

What a hoot it is to hear a Catholic talk about greed being a memeber of the wealthiest religous organization known to man with its leader and god along with his minions living in the lap of luxury.

 

[epostle1]

Rach, you had options when you discovered you were pregnant with your 2nd. You knew what you were up against. You knew what you were going to face, and you chose life. You willingly picked up your cross for the sake of your baby, and I have nothing but the utmost respect for your decision not to kill your baby in our culture of death.

Ok, first off, I don't get how 'contraception' can lessen the intimacy in marriage. Seriously??

That's not what I said. I said NFP can promote more intimacy in a marriage, not less. Intimacy means more than just great sex, I am sure you are aware of that. The best thing would be to ask some close friends who are using NFP and get them to tell you how they are getting on, and if their sex lives are better now that they are off the pill or some other barrier. That will bear more weight than a discussion from a stranger in a forum.

Contraception breeds divorce. the stratistics are alarming. This graph is a must see

Contraception and divorce, is there a connection?

Birth control pills (BCP) do not cause divorce per se, any more than condoms cause the spread of STD's. It breeds a mentality of selfishness that leads to divorce, no matter what ones beliefs are. Religion has nothing to do with the correlation, but everything to do with morality.

With the contraceptive mentality obviously destroying so many families, why are Protestant ministers so silent on contraception? I am aware that there are a lot of Catholics who contracept, but that will never change the teaching, and it will never make the teaching wrong.