The meaning of 666 and its identity

[Hobie]

Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Mark of the Beast

Bible Truth Versus SDA Doctrine - Mark of the Beast

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Well, by what 'authority' was the Law of God changed and Sunday substituted as the day of worship, and some may think it has nothing to do with the 'Mark' or 'Number' 666, but it does. The number 666 is the number of a man, and that man is the 'man of sin' spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Revelation 13:18 is where you find 666 and it is associated with that man who claims he has the power of God on earth and is infallible as we see..

In his encyclical, "The Reunion of Christendom" (1885), Pope Leo XIII stated that the pope holds "upon this earth the place of God Almighty."

In the Catechism, can be found the following: "The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the pope has supreme and full power in faith and morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true Vicar of Christ, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by one, God himself on earth." and also "The Pope can make and unmake laws for the entire Church; his authority is supreme and unquestioned. Every bishop, every priest, every member of the Church is subject to him."

Here are some others…"The Pope is not simply the representative of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, he is Jesus Christ Himself, under the veil of the flesh." (Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895, pg. 15, published in London by J. S. Phillips)

"Against this background of love towards Holy Church, 'the pillar and bulwark of the truth' (1 Tim 3:15), we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for 'THE LORD POPE', the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called 'SWEET CHRIST ON EARTH'." (Pope John Paul II, Apostolic Exhortation on the Consecrated Life and Its Mission in the Church and in the World, to the bishops and clergy, religious orders and congregations, societies of apostolic life, secular institutes, and all the faithful, given in Rome, at Saint Peter's, March 25, 1996)

"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God and the vicar of God." (Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary)

"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." (On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17)

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous)

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." (the Gloss "Extravagantes" o.f Pope John XXII *** inter, Tit. XIV, Cap. IV. Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685)

"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions." (Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', p.26)

"The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth." (Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958)

"This is our last lesson to you: receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church; the strong and effective instrument of salvation is none other than the Roman Pontificate." (Pope Leo XIII, Allocution for the 25th anniversary of his election, February 20, 1903; Papal Teachings: The Church, Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, St. Paul Editions, Boston, 1962, par. 653)

And claims he has the authority to change what God has set....

Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

Of course these two old quotations are exactly correct. The Catholic Church designated Sunday as the day for corporate worship and gets full credit – or blame – for the change.
—This Rock, The Magazine of Catholic Apologetics and Evangelization, p.8, June 1997

The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.
—The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

The sign of their authority is in changing the sanctity of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The Protestant churches accepted Sunday as God’s day of worship because that is what the reformers were taught and they didn’t know any better as they broke away from Rome. So its clear the Beast of Revelation is a symbol of that entity, who of herself claims to have changed the solemnity of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, this is her so-called sign of her power and authority.

 

[Jack]

Colossians 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Amen Jesus, I won't!!

 

[Taken]

So Jesus was born from sin?

Jesus came forth out from God, was sent to a Virgin womb, and was revealed delivered forth out from a Virgin womb.

That what Jesus WAS IN…God, A Virgin Womb, had NOT SIN.

No Jesus was not BORN from Sin.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Then why did she need a Savior?

Quote regarding the so-called Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary.

The Immaculate Conception is a doctrine of the Catholic Church that teaches Mary, the mother of Christ, was conceived without sin. This belief asserts that God made Mary immune from imputed or inherited sin. In other words, she was the “second Eve” who gave birth to the “second Adam” (1 Corinthians 15:45). Through God’s grace, Mary experienced supernatural redemption 12.
Here are some biblical reasons often cited in support of the Immaculate Conception:

1. Mary is “full of grace”: In Luke 1:28, Mary is described as being “full of grace.”
2. Fulfillment of prophetic references: Mary is seen as the fulfillment of prophetic references such as the “Daughter of Zion” in passages like Isaiah 12:1-6, Zephaniah 3:14-16, and Zechariah 2:10.
3. Beginning of the new creation: Jeremiah 31:22 hints at Mary being the “beginning of the new creation.”
4. Blessed state parallel with Christ: In Luke 1:42, Mary is called “blessed” among women, and even “more blessed than all women” (including Eve).
5. Spotless “Ark of the Covenant”: Mary is symbolically associated with the “Ark of the Covenant” in Luke 1.
6. “New Eve”: References in Luke 1:37-38, John 2:4, John 19:26-27, and Revelation 12 connect Mary to the concept of the “New Eve.”
7. Free from labor pains: Isaiah 66:7-8 suggests that Mary was free from the pangs of labor 1.

It’s important to note that while Mary was immaculately conceived, she still needed a savior. She was saved from sin in a unique way, never committing even the slightest transgression. The Catholic Church acknowledges that Mary was “saved” but emphasizes that salvation can also mean being protected from sinning before the fact 1.
The Virgin Birth, on the other hand, refers to the miraculous conception of Jesus by Mary through the Holy Spirit, as described in Matthew 1:18-25 3. It is distinct from the Immaculate Conception, which pertains specifically to Mary’s own conception.
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[Big Boy Johnson]

Colossians 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Amen Jesus, I won't!!

 

[Stumpmaster]

That first Sea Beast of Rev. 13 doesn't exist anymore.

John wrote in Rev. 13:2 that the Sea Beast was given the throne of Satan. John identified where that throne of Satan was in Rev. 2:13, and it was in Pergamos. That Pergamos throne was given to the Roman republic in 133 BC by the dying King Attalus III, who had no heir to pass his Pergamum kingdom to except for his Roman ally. This gift of Satan's throne in Pergamos to the Roman Republic clearly identifies the last phase of the Sea Beast. As an empire, Rome had ten crowned emperor horns which held control over the nation of Israel until that nation was destroyed by the Roman armies in AD 70. And the city of Rome sat on 7 hills, as represented by the 7 heads.

Daniel's world empires, as you know, were represented also in the statue of a man which was made of different metals. The "iron" in the legs and feet were the Roman republic / Roman empire, with which the "CLAY" of the nation of Israel had become blended in the feet and toes. That mixture of iron and clay was an unstable union of elements which never bonded well with each other. In the Jewish / Roman war, that unstable blend of iron and clay was smashed to pieces by the Stone which struck the feet of that statue, destroying the entire image into dust in the process. The dust of that entire statue blew away on the winds back then, and is no more to be found. There will be no more world empires that develop to replace that statue.

Christ's stone kingdom since AD 70 has been steadily growing over the centuries, and will eventually fill the whole world, as Daniel 2:35 predicted. Christ's Stone kingdom is one that will stand forever, as multiple prophets foretold, and "will not be left to other people".

In Revelation 13 John was shown the First Beast rising from the sea of sinful humanity.

In Revelation 17 John was shown this beast carrying Babylon, and to date this is still where Babylon sits.

1	The Position of Babylon	Babylon sits upon many waters = upon peoples, multitudes, nations, tongues. Babylon sits upon a scarlet coloured beast = upon the Satanic superstructure that embodies the natural wickedness of mankind with its godless ambitions. Babylon sits upon seven mountain heads = upon the historical empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, Medo-Persia, Greece, Political Rome, & Papal Rome. Babylon sits as a city of supremacy = over the earth and its leaders.	Rev 17:1, 15. Rev 17:3 Rev 17:9 Rev 17:18
2	The Appearance of Babylon	Babylon appears as a woman who is noble = as stately, dignified, excellent, notable. Babylon appears as a woman who is rich = as succeeding, prospering, attracting, gaudy. Babylon appears as a woman who is great = as expansive, important, matriarchal, idolatrous. Babylon appears as a woman who is drunk = as excessive, indulgent, satiated, intoxicated, blood-filled.	Rev 17:4 Rev 17:6b, 7a. Rev 18:7 Rev 17:6a, 18:24.
3	The Identification of Babylon	Babylon is named for mystery = secrets, oaths, rites, deals. Babylon is named for greatness = expansive, important, powerful, famous. Babylon is named for matriarchy = source, producer, ruler, matrix. Babylon is named for harlotry = prostitutes, whores, available, saleable. Babylon is named for idolatry = objectionable, detestable, horrible, abominable. Babylon is named for sorcery = occultic, distorting, deceiving, bewitching.	Rev 17:5 Rev 17:18, 18:7 Rev 17:5 Rev 17:1 Rev 17:4 Rev 18:23
4	The Conveyance of Babylon	Babylon is carried on the beast who is like a leopard = swift, predatory political agility. Babylon is carried on the beast who has feet like a bear = sharp, aggressive military might. Babylon is carried on the beast who has a mouth like a lion = loud, dominating media mastery. Babylon is carried on the beast who has 7 heads = complete corporate control. Babylon is carried on the beast who has 10 horns = extreme executive enforcement. Babylon is carried on the beast who has 10 crowns = total temporal tyranny. Babylon is carried on the beast who is swollen with blasphemous names = false profane deification.	Rev 13:2a Rev 13:2b Rev13:2c Rev 13:1a Rev13:1b Rev 13:1c Rev 13: 1d & 5, 17:3.
5	The Associations of Babylon	Babylon is associated with nations = plies them with her beliefs. Babylon is associated with sovereigns = pleases them with her attentions. Babylon is associated with merchants = prospers them with her trade.	Rev 17:15, 18:3 Rev 17:2, 18:9 Rev 18:11,15
6	The Termination of Babylon	Babylon terminates with hostility = hated, desolate, naked, devoured, burnt. Babylon terminates with plagues = death, mourning, famine. Babylon terminates with burning = fire, smoke, torment. Babylon terminates with violence = overthrown, cast down. Babylon terminates with haunting = demons, foul spirits, hateful unclean birds.	Rev 17:16
7	The Lamentation for Babylon	Babylon’s fall is lamented by rulers = shock, sorrow, punishment. Babylon’s fall is lamented by merchants = loss, mourning, ruin. Babylon’s fall is lamented by traffickers = grief, distress, destitution.	Rev 18:9-

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

In Revelation 13 John was shown the First Beast rising from the sea of sinful humanity.

Where does it tell us that the beast is all the people that attend church on Sundays

I keep hearing many of the SDA peoples believe this so where to they get this in scripture?

 

[Jack]

Where does it tell us that the beast is all the people that attend church on Sundays View attachment 41549

I keep hearing many of the SDA peoples believe this so where to they get this in scripture?

SDA's sound almost as Satanic as JW's.

 

[Zachariah.]

Then why did she need a Savior?

Ok so the orthadox church tries to get around this contradiction by saying that Mary had enherent sin but she stayed sinless as she did not sin her whole life through free will.

These are all dogmatic beliefs because the truth is, the old churches wanted people to believe that they are sinfull. To keep them in a place of guilt and repentance and there for they where easily controlled by the church.

This whole controlling scenario is actually what Jesus come to save us from. Jesus was in open rebellion with all the controle systems of his time. This includes Rome (government), religion (jewish pharasies, like what we just spoke about the guilt), and of course money.

Although it never says that Mary was sinfull and needs a savior, the churches needed everyone to think that we are sinfull being enherently and the only way to not be sinfull is to accept Jesus christ as lord and savior. This is a manipulation and control technique.

Within a lie there is always Truth and the Truth in this case is that our "physicle" body is a physicle manifestation of imperfection, sin, as it is subject to change and slowly moving towards death. However, Jesus Himself had a physicle body, needed to eat etc. So when we talk about sinlessness in a biblical context, we are referring to the heart.

The esoteric allegory behind God, Mary and Jesus goes as such:

God (the mind) marries/conjoins with pure (emotion), compassion. The emotions being Mary. Which gives birth to right action in the world.

So what it's saying is depending on what your feeling in your heart, is what actions it will give birth to. Mind + Emotion = Action. If your heart is in a pure, sinless, compassionate state, you will bear loving actions that will redeem the world.

It is possible for anyone's heart to become pure and sinless. However it takes alot of self work and self discipline. And there will be moments when we fall again. But we pray and re align ourself with compassion and Truth.

 

[Zachariah.]

Jesus came forth out from God, was sent to a Virgin womb, and was revealed delivered forth out from a Virgin womb.

That what Jesus WAS IN…God, A Virgin Womb, had NOT SIN.

No Jesus was not BORN from Sin.

Lol righto. I don't think the scripture is that elaborate. Sounds like Roman Catholic dogma to me.

 

[Jack]

Ok so the orthadox church tries to get around this contradiction by saying that Mary had enherent sin but she stayed sinless as she did not sin her whole life through free will.

These are all dogmatic beliefs because the truth is, the old churches wanted people to believe that they are sinfull. To keep them in a place of guilt and repentance and there for they where easily controlled by the church.

This whole controlling scenario is actually what Jesus come to save us from. Jesus was in open rebellion with all the controle systems of his time. This includes Rome (government), religion (jewish pharasies, like what we just spoke about the guilt), and of course money.

Although it never says that Mary was sinfull and needs a savior, the churches needed everyone to think that we are sinfull being enherently and the only way to not be sinfull is to accept Jesus christ as lord and savior. This is a manipulation and control technique.

Within a lie there is always Truth and the Truth in this case is that our "physicle" body is a physicle manifestation of imperfection, sin, as it is subject to change and slowly moving towards death. However, Jesus Himself had a physicle body, needed to eat etc. So when we talk about sinlessness in a biblical context, we are referring to the heart.

The esoteric allegory behind God, Mary and Jesus goes as such:

God (the mind) marries/conjoins with pure (emotion), compassion. The emotions being Mary. Which gives birth to right action in the world.

So what it's saying is depending on what your feeling in your heart, is what actions it will give birth to. Mind + Emotion = Action. If your heart is in a pure, sinless, compassionate state, you will bear loving actions that will redeem the world.

It is possible for anyone's heart to become pure and sinless. However it takes alot of self work and self discipline. And there will be moments when we fall again. But we pray and re align ourself with compassion and Truth.

Why did Mary need a Savior? Answer: Mary was a sinner!

 

[Taken]

Lol righto. I don't think the scripture is that elaborate. Sounds like Roman Catholic dogma to me.

Thinking is moot, rather than reading and studying. Nothing to do with Roman Catholic dogma. Everything to do with Gods Approved Teaching.

For starters, as Scripture has much more if one exerts the effort.

Isa 55:11
John 1:1
John 1:13
John 1:14
John 16:27
Pss 2:27
1 John 3:9
1 John 4:7
1 John 5:1
1 John 5:4
1 John 5:18
Heb 1:5
Heb 5:5

 

[Zachariah.]

Thinking is moot, rather than reading and studying. Nothing to do with Roman Catholic dogma. Everything to do with Gods Approved Teaching.

For starters, as Scripture has much more if one exerts the effort.

Isa 55:11
John 1:1
John 1:13
John 1:14
John 16:27
Pss 2:27
1 John 3:9
1 John 4:7
1 John 5:1
1 John 5:4
1 John 5:18
Heb 1:5
Heb 5:5

You should go and do some study on history. The foundation of Christianity and the influence and oppression of the Roman empire.

Christianity today, including your version of interpretation, is a konstantinian version of Christianity. It's dogmatic. I don't say that to be rude, I say it because that's the Truth. I suggest you go do some research on history around this time period.

 

[Taken]

You should go and do some study on history. The foundation of Christianity and the influence and oppression of the Roman empire.

Christianity today, including your version of interpretation, is a konstantinian version of Christianity. It's dogmatic. I don't say that to be rude, I say it because that's the Truth. I suggest you go do some research on history around this time period.

I gave you a list of Scriptures, but you are fixated on the Roman Empire, while trying to pretend you can pass your fixation off on me….Fail.

 

[Zachariah.]

I gave you a list of Scriptures, but you are fixated on the Roman Empire, while trying to pretend you can pass your fixation off on me….Fail.

Some of the scriptures I know off the top of my head. The others I referenced. Not all of them but most of them. My reply was that your interpretation of these selected scriptures are of a Constantinian, dogmatic nature. You would know that however if you did your research on history and the Roman foundation of Christianity.

Your literal interpretations are just like the majority of Christians. Modern day, westernized, Christians who have e accepted the dogma of the Roman version of Christianity into their belief systems. The same group of Christians that are in a state of moral decay.

There are reasons for why the modern Christian church is amounting into chaos. That's because it is fundamentally flawed.

So go ahead and just "believe" what your are told by all the blind followers of religion. That is your right. But, it is also my right to tell you definitively that your perception of Christianity is false.

You have been sold lies. The majority have been sold lies. Nothing has changed since the day Jesus was in open rebellion agenced the forces of religion and control. You just can't see that you are a part of the problem.

Jesus started a revolution because he thought differently. As should you start thinking differently. Everyone needs to start thinking differently if there is going to be any change.

 

[Taken]

Your literal interpretations

In a state of moral decay

go ahead and just "believe" what your are told

your perception of Christianity is false

You have been sold lies

You just can't see that you are a part of the problem

you … start thinking differently.

Thanks for again sharing more of your brand of Christianity being;
Is your thinking and acting with a mouth-full of personal unfounded criticism against people you do not know…
Has assuredly convinced me you are uninterestingly what you accuse.

 

[Zachariah.]

Thanks for again sharing more of your brand of Christianity being;
Is your thinking and acting with a mouth-full of personal unfounded criticism against people you do not know…
Has assuredly convinced me you are uninterestingly what you accuse.

Take it as you please.

 

[Taken]

Take it as you please.

The Point is I am taking nothing from you…rather letting you carry on about what you think, know and say is entirely and uninterestingly about you.

 

[3 Resurrections]

In Revelation 13 John was shown the First Beast rising from the sea of sinful humanity.

In Revelation 17 John was shown this beast carrying Babylon, and to date this is still where Babylon sits.

This totally confuses the whole interpretation concerning these Beasts. There are TWO DIFFERENT BEASTS being written about here. Revelation 13's Sea Beast rose from the "sea" of pagan Gentile nations. Scripture very often contrasts the "earth" as the land of Israel with the "sea" of pagan Gentile lands across the Mediterranean from Israel. To an Israelite, everything connected with the "sea" was the sinful, pagan Gentile nations of the rest of the world.

The Revelation 17 Scarlet Beast was another beast entirely from the Sea Beast. This Scarlet Beast appeared in the wilderness - a Judean setting - not a pagan Gentile one. From antiquity, God told Israel that He found her in the "waste and howling wilderness". The wilderness wanderings under Moses were the backdrop for the launch of Israel as God's OC people. Likewise, the wilderness is a frequent feature of the gospel accounts for Christ's ministry in Judea.

Everything about the Rev. 13 Sea Beast is related to the ancient pagan Gentile nations of the world - specifically the Roman empire at that time.

Everything about the Rev. 17 Scarlet Beast in the wilderness is related to Judea - her history as an independent nation established by the Maccabean victories, and her near future rise to power again in John's days as an independent nation under the Zealot rebellion in AD 66.

 

[NayborBear]

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man;

Count=worn smooth like one might rub a stone (like in numbering) with ones' thumb while holding the stone in ones' hand. Counting/Rubbing (away) what?. Spiritual discernment that comes from the gaslighting seductiveness offered man by men rendering (years, millennia) "creature comforts" to man.

Who's doing the counting? Satan, the spirit of antichrist, prince of the air, that old dragon. Mostly though, the spirit of antichrist, king of confusion. Er I mean Babylon. Called "mystery" Babylon also.