Trump is dangerous - a Messianic Complex

[Hazelelponi]

We pay attention to God's Word and live by that... which excludes caltholic teachings and reformed theology teachings.

That's cool, so claiming to be a Christian, what side are you on now, today?

The side that wants our nation to be left in tact the way it was ran from our birth? Where men have freewill and a say in their own governance?

Or are you on the side that says nope, let's remove all that God gives all people certain rights at birth (freedom of religion, freedom of self defense and all that nonsense) language from government and rule over the masses and allow them to only believe and do what we tell them to believe and do?

Because the choice is just that stark.... It's just that clear. There are now only two sides to this. Every mask is off.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That's cool, so claiming to be a Christian, what side are you on now, today?

God's Word!

Jesus is not an American... this nation is morally bankrupt and is going down the tube never to ruse again.

That's because the majority of people in this nation are servants of satan... and God does not bless the devil.

 

[Wrangler]

You obviously don't know much about living by faith

I'll go ahead and put you on ignore now.

 

[Hazelelponi]

God's Word!

Jesus is not an American... this nation is morally bankrupt and is going down the tube never to ruse again.

That's because the majority of people in this nation are servants of satan... and God does not bless the devil.

So basically your just happy raising your kids however the winner of this battle decides is fine with them? No matter how evil that group happens to be?

I'm just not seeing any of that in Scriptures.

I see two groups of people: actions of a people living in captivity, and actions of people who aren't in captivity in Scriptures.

I was born in captivity to sin, and Christ freed me from that captivity, but under the law I was born a free woman.

And so I stand today, a free woman in every respect, saying no one can take my freedom or the freedom of my brothers because it was given to me by God, and it was the laws I was born under.

Like the apostle Paul I stand before Rome and demand my rights as a Roman citizen be respected, even as my Kingdom citizenship means more.

But since I'm not the apostle Paul, I do this so that others don't have to.

Like Paul Washer once said, missions is about some going down the well to rescue the lost, and others holding the rope for them.

Nothing wrong with using our freedom to hold the rope for others. Whether it's missions, or just making sure they can go to church on Sunday to worship in congregation without harassment from the governing authorities, I see no wrong in it.

Not from Scripture... I'm not trying to build God's kingdom on earth, I'm just trying to keep the wolves off the doorstep... You know all those who do all that kingdom on earth building. Those are who I'm fighting..

Your fighting with the globalists who just flooded the country with fighting age communist men when you fight against me... whether you realize it or not.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I'll go ahead and put you on ignore now.

Many people will be very shocked someday when aren't there protecting them anymore.

 

[amigo de christo]

Many people will be very shocked someday when aren't there protecting them anymore.

many will be shocked one day indeed my friend . When they realize that to hope and trust in men was indeed futile
as both sides led them to the final solution which is and has been at work already .
This world and the nations of it have surrendered all unto a hope that cannot save or deliver them
for it is that very hope they put their hope into that led them all to a strong delusion to believe a lie .
What is , what has been , that which is of anti christ now surges throughout the hearts of the leaders o this world
and both sides do its bidding and soon all , not in the lambs book of life will unify in heart under the lie
that though it promised them peace n safety and hollered love and unity non stop
will not deliver them from the SUDDEN DESTRUCTION that is to COME upon them all .
Trump has bowed before its ROD as has BIDEN and the liberals . THEY SUCKLE from the teets o the whore now
and gulp down its milk and milk out those paps to the full .
And then sell the milk of the whore in different ways unto both SIDES .

 

[Wrangler]

Many people will be very shocked someday when aren't there protecting them anymore.

 

[Lizbeth]

This thread is 100% about what you call "just a little side thing." Feel free to post in other threads those topics you deem worthy to be the main thing.

The obstructionist, defeatist mentality among so many in Christiandom is terribly misguided. Our forefather used to Scripture to make the world a better place. Columbus brought Christianity to half the globe. The American experiment was rooted in the principle of self-rule, revolutionary principle of liberty. And it is only where liberty is, will one find the Spirit of the Lord.

It is not defeat to have our trust in God. And I have shared from scripture as to how to absolutely win this battle....through repentance. But do we believe? Are there any Christians here?

This is an urgent matter of where our hearts are. And do we truly have things in their proper place? I'm not making statements about any individual soul here on this thread........but for the church in general in the west, it is not looking good at all. We're being tested.......by GOD! I plead with us all to examine ourselves.

 

[Lizbeth]

Lizbeth, you are sadly misguided.

Our society allows worship of Baal in the form of baby killing. Individually, some may repent while other's don't. Yet, in the field of politics, we can collectively repent by not allowing baby killing.

The idea that participating in the political process means Christians are automatically fighting against the almighty is about as misguided as one can be.

You didn't understand what I said at all. Please read again, more carefully. It shouldn't be hard for a Christian to understand...?

I do not believe that God prohibits believers from "participating in the political process". As long as it doesn't take the place of God in our hearts and we aren't conflating the holy with the profane (common). There are believers who make a living in all different spheres of society and it is not a sin to be a politician, as long as they are conducting themselves in a Godly manner with integrity. Jesus didn't tell anybody to quit their jobs that I know of......He told them to be righteous and just in their jobs. But if they are following/obeying Him, He might lead them to do other things down the road.

And actually it's just dawning on me......it is concerning when people seem to be forgetting that they are Christian first and foremost. Can't serve two masters.....the wrong master takes over when we try to do that. And that is what is happening, wow. Again I ask, are there any Christians here? Or are we forgetting that we are Christians?

 

[Hazelelponi]

thread........but for the church in general in the west, it is not looking good at all

America has been under judgement my whole life... you know your being judged when people are given over to their sins. Romans 1:24-28

The Spirit which restrains is being taken out of the way here in America.

My whole life we've seen it. As an unbeliever myself I just didn't recognize it as a specific judgement until I believed in Christ.

"The sad fact is that sometimes God gives us what we want. God allowed the Israelites who rebelled to reap the natural consequences of their choice: “But my people would not listen to me; Israel would not submit to me. So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices” (Psalm 81:11–12). In Romans 1, Paul shows how the wicked made a choice to reject God, and that choice set them on a downward spiral of increasing darkness and decreasing hope. As the godless run farther and farther from God, God intervenes less and less. The Spirit’s restraint of sin is a blessing, and if that restraint is removed, all wickedness follows.

What does it mean that “God gave them over” in Romans 1:24–28? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean that “God gave them over” in Romans 1:24–28? What did God give them over to?

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I agree people need to examine themselves.

 

[Wrangler]

It is not defeat to have our trust in God.

Change in subject.

Medical science has determined through the ADA to go to the dentist every 6 months. The subject of this thread has NOTHING to do with a lack of trust in God.

 

[Wrangler]

You didn't understand what I said at all. Please read again, more carefully. It shouldn't be hard for a Christian to understand...?

I do not believe that God prohibits believers from "participating in the political process". As long as it doesn't take the place of God in our hearts and we aren't conflating the holy with the profane (common).

I understood perfectly what you said the first time.

You are over guarding what no one is doing or claiming. No one is claiming Christian’s ought to replace God in our hearts with politics.

Regarding conflating the holy with the profane, my pastor said there is no such thing as secular. That is, we are to engage the secular through the prism of the holy.

 

[Hazelelponi]

they are Christian first and foremost.

Yes we are.

This doesn't prevent us from interacting with the world... Interacting isn't serving it as a slave.

You cannot be a slave to the world but it's not like the world is going away if you close your eyes.

The Amish are over there still using the horse and buggy because cars and electricity are "the world"... But at one time the horse and buggy was "the world"...

So long as we aren't putting anything above that place that belongs to God then we aren't sinning. We aren't compromising our faith for some worldly gain.

Trump's supporters are only standing up to the current government in the US to try and stop them from usurping God's place in the dealing with the citizenry, and with the world.

We are trying to hold them to an oath they took, to hold them to the things they swore to uphold before God and man.

 

[Lizbeth]

America has been under judgement my whole life... you know your being judged when people are given over to their sins. Romans 1:24-28

The Spirit which restrains is being taken out of the way here in America.

My whole life we've seen it. As an unbeliever myself I just didn't recognize it as a specific judgement until I believed in Christ.

"The sad fact is that sometimes God gives us what we want. God allowed the Israelites who rebelled to reap the natural consequences of their choice: “But my people would not listen to me; Israel would not submit to me. So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices” (Psalm 81:11–12). In Romans 1, Paul shows how the wicked made a choice to reject God, and that choice set them on a downward spiral of increasing darkness and decreasing hope. As the godless run farther and farther from God, God intervenes less and less. The Spirit’s restraint of sin is a blessing, and if that restraint is removed, all wickedness follows.

What does it mean that “God gave them over” in Romans 1:24–28? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean that “God gave them over” in Romans 1:24–28? What did God give them over to?

www.gotquestions.org

I agree people need to examine themselves.

Amen, and repentance is the solution.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Change in subject.

Medical science has determined through the ADA to go to the dentist every 6 months. The subject of this thread has NOTHING to do with a lack of trust in God.

It's the weaponization of Christianity.

The far left does it politically all the time.

Don't want open immigration because it's bad for everyone affected? We must be evil Christians who just need to love our neighbors better... Lol..

Want to vote for someone who will uphold the law? How dare us! He's not the Pastor of their church! How can we call ourselves Christian!

Want to see murderers and pedophiles behind bars? How dare us not be forgiving!

It's just the weaponization of the Christian faith for political purposes... In this case, it's just to stop people from voting for someone who's good for our national sovereignty.. cause you know...

 

[Lizbeth]

Change in subject.

Medical science has determined through the ADA to go to the dentist every 6 months. The subject of this thread has NOTHING to do with a lack of trust in God.

I'm afraid it does for some....maybe many, or most, I dont know, God knows. Hope you will listen to this donkey brother, and the other voices here who are trying to talk Christian sense. Up this path waits a heap of trouble....unless we turn around and repent.

 

[Lizbeth]

I understood perfectly what you said the first time.

You are over guarding what no one is doing or claiming. No one is claiming Christian’s ought to replace God in our hearts with politics.

Regarding conflating the holy with the profane, my pastor said there is no such thing as secular. That is, we are to engage the secular through the prism of the holy.

Doesn't your pastor teach to be separate from the world? The world is secular......this whole unbelieving world of lost souls and man made institutions.....is secular. Our job/mandate given by Jesus Himself is to go and make disciples, that is all. The example of Noah is to save a few souls OUT of this world before judgment comes, not to change the world. The world is not going to change, it will keep on marching to it's end. Need to read the bible without the lens of what mean are preaching.

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes we are.

This doesn't prevent us from interacting with the world... Interacting isn't serving it as a slave.

You cannot be a slave to the world but it's not like the world is going away if you close your eyes.

The Amish are over there still using the horse and buggy because cars and electricity are "the world"... But at one time the horse and buggy was "the world"...

So long as we aren't putting anything above that place that belongs to God then we aren't sinning. We aren't compromising our faith for some worldly gain.

Trump's supporters are only standing up to the current government in the US to try and stop them from usurping God's place in the dealing with the citizenry, and with the world.

We are trying to hold them to an oath they took, to hold them to the things they swore to uphold before God and man.

Sister, it's in every individual's heart who their god or God is. Overall, it isn't looking good. Are believers in large numbers stopping their sinning and putting away their idols and fearing God again? If they were, we would be seeing the outward circumstances improve instead of getting worse. What most are doing instead is hoping politics will save them from God's judgment.

 

[Mr E]

Doesn't your pastor teach to be separate from the world? The world is secular......this whole unbelieving world of lost souls and man made institutions.....is secular. Our job/mandate given by Jesus Himself is to go and make disciples, that is all. The example of Noah is to save a few souls OUT of this world before judgment comes, not to change the world. The world is not going to change, it will keep on marching to it's end. Need to read the bible without the lens of what mean are preaching.

This backwards attitude is baffling to me.

Well-meaning, good Christian folks who want everyone to just throw up their hands and opt out. Give up. Let things be.

It's insanity and self-defeating-- because it perpetuates the very thing they moan and groan about-- the condition of the world. Yet they won't lift a finger to fix it. They won't try to improve it-- because well.... the world isn't going to change.

Not with that attitude it won't.

We elect lawmakers to represent our interests. When you don't act, others elect folks who represent their interests, which are often in direct interest to your good sense and sensibilities. Often in direct opposition to your values, and principles and purpose. Anti-christ. But you let them have their way-- and they keep marching along unimpeded by you. Shame on your disinterested hatred of them and that fate you seal upon them.

Why have police officers? The world isn't going to change-- it's just going to get worse and worse right to its end, so why have any police officers at all, that are just in the way of violent murderers, thieves and rapists? Isn't this your attitude? And indeed-- those you will not stand up to oppose would actually want to do away with law enforcement and prosecution-- and you, by your inaction are aiding and abetting these very lawbreakers and those who are voting to defund the police. Well done. Mission accomplished.

Just sit back and expect things to get worse-- they will. Because of you.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So basically your just happy raising your kids however the winner of this battle decides is fine with them? No matter how evil that group happens to be?

I'm not from here... I'm from the Kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Advocating for instigating physical violence . . . is a sin, you should REPENT for your sin dude!