Trump is dangerous - a Messianic Complex
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Wrangler
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We've been over this. the Bible does not say to go to the dentist every 6 months. Yet, the ADA still recommends it.
Ah, I see... you follow the wisdom of man and are carnal minded which explains a lot.
Grailhunter
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Don’t get me wrong I do not hate democrats but I tell the truth and that can be shocking. I have had a life long ministry called the Johnny Appleseed of Truth. My mom and dad were democrats but they knew the democrats of the 40’s and 50’s. That type of democrat is not around anymore. Maybe not any, because if a democrat now a days did not support these demonic initiatives, he would be like a bleeding chicken in a chicken coop, all of the other chickens would peak him to death. In other words he would be hated by other democrats.
Now let me share some of my research on this topic with you. There was time that I traveled up and down the eastern seaboard and went to different churches gathering data and I did some here in Missouri and Illinois. I had several topics I was gathering data on, but one of them was this topic… “Why would a Christian vote for a democrat?” No leading information. Some of the answers I received were surprising and some were not.
Top answer….They liked the person or thought they were good lucking.
Second most common….My family is democrat.
Third most common..……I do not know.
Fourth most common......An entertainer they liked was a democrat.
As you might suspect there was no one in church that supported killing 600,000 babies a year and most were surprised at the size of that number. But not too surprising a lot of them were not knowledgeable of politics, and some even thought that the whole thing was evil. Some of the younger crowd were agreeable with their idols….mostly music. And some were very uncomfortable when asked about drugs …. That is a shame. Christians need to know how popular democrats have made drugs….they are fully imbedded in our culture and they are after your children.
So lets go over these answers….
1. Liked the person or thought they were good looking….that is fine like’em….but that matters little, what matters is what they are voting for and what are their initiatives. Most of these people had no clue about the person or what that person was voting for. Ted Buddy was good looking and charming….part of being a serial killer. You got to look at what they are doing and past performance in indicative of future performance, no matter what they say.
2. My family is democrat…I kind of already address this and my answer only applies to Christian families. The older people might remember the old democrats but those good guys are not around anymore. For the younger people in your families, you might find out something about them….Ask them if they think killing 600,000 babies a year is something Christ would agree with. Or if they think it is wrong to be homosexual. All these questions you can ask them and it might feel like you are putting them on the spot but actually you maybe doing them a favor to prepare them for answering these questions on Judgment Day…..eyeball to eyeball with Christ.
3, I do not know…..What do you say to that? You need to get knowledgeable on all this because the world you are voting for, your children and grandchildren are going to have to live in. In the last five years I have had to pull two homosexuals out of church bathrooms by their hair….it is happening….homosexuals are even targeting churches and there are people in church telling kids that their parents are wrong an old fashioned….that smoking pot is fun and good.
4. An entertainer they liked was a democrat. Most of the adult Christians know not to pay a whole lot of attention to the opinions of entertainers…..There is reason why they use to call them fools…Court Jesters. As a whole entertainers live in a social environment that has little morals and what they say maybe more about what they think will sound cool and or what their fans want to hear.
Bottom line, vote for the politician that represent your beliefs in his voting. There are websites to check their voting record. And it is worth your time because it could be you looking into Christ’s eyes and him asking you why you voted to murder 600,000 babies a year or why you voted to make drugs available to children. Voting to support homosexuality, that is going to turn out bad.
Now let me share some of my research on this topic with you. There was time that I traveled up and down the eastern seaboard and went to different churches gathering data and I did some here in Missouri and Illinois. I had several topics I was gathering data on, but one of them was this topic… “Why would a Christian vote for a democrat?” No leading information. Some of the answers I received were surprising and some were not.
Top answer….They liked the person or thought they were good lucking.
Second most common….My family is democrat.
Third most common..……I do not know.
Fourth most common......An entertainer they liked was a democrat.
As you might suspect there was no one in church that supported killing 600,000 babies a year and most were surprised at the size of that number. But not too surprising a lot of them were not knowledgeable of politics, and some even thought that the whole thing was evil. Some of the younger crowd were agreeable with their idols….mostly music. And some were very uncomfortable when asked about drugs …. That is a shame. Christians need to know how popular democrats have made drugs….they are fully imbedded in our culture and they are after your children.
So lets go over these answers….
1. Liked the person or thought they were good looking….that is fine like’em….but that matters little, what matters is what they are voting for and what are their initiatives. Most of these people had no clue about the person or what that person was voting for. Ted Buddy was good looking and charming….part of being a serial killer. You got to look at what they are doing and past performance in indicative of future performance, no matter what they say.
2. My family is democrat…I kind of already address this and my answer only applies to Christian families. The older people might remember the old democrats but those good guys are not around anymore. For the younger people in your families, you might find out something about them….Ask them if they think killing 600,000 babies a year is something Christ would agree with. Or if they think it is wrong to be homosexual. All these questions you can ask them and it might feel like you are putting them on the spot but actually you maybe doing them a favor to prepare them for answering these questions on Judgment Day…..eyeball to eyeball with Christ.
3, I do not know…..What do you say to that? You need to get knowledgeable on all this because the world you are voting for, your children and grandchildren are going to have to live in. In the last five years I have had to pull two homosexuals out of church bathrooms by their hair….it is happening….homosexuals are even targeting churches and there are people in church telling kids that their parents are wrong an old fashioned….that smoking pot is fun and good.
4. An entertainer they liked was a democrat. Most of the adult Christians know not to pay a whole lot of attention to the opinions of entertainers…..There is reason why they use to call them fools…Court Jesters. As a whole entertainers live in a social environment that has little morals and what they say maybe more about what they think will sound cool and or what their fans want to hear.
Bottom line, vote for the politician that represent your beliefs in his voting. There are websites to check their voting record. And it is worth your time because it could be you looking into Christ’s eyes and him asking you why you voted to murder 600,000 babies a year or why you voted to make drugs available to children. Voting to support homosexuality, that is going to turn out bad.
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God ordained civil government.
Since God ordained it He authorized how it is to be ordered.
Therefore can civil governments go against Gods purpose for civil government?
Yes,
Now I'm not saying that a government is not controlled by God.
The bible is clear that God puts in place all kings.
God will use evil kings to do His will as well as good Kings.
And when they do go against God, it is Gods people's responsibility to work to create a society that does everything according to His purpose/will. This includes civil government.
Part of that work is praying for our leaders who have authority over us.
Does any Christian think God does not want His people to stop laws that support murder of the unborn or go against Gods formation of the family?
Gods order/arrangement in marrage?
Gods punishment of evil doers?
1Peter 2:13-14
Ecclesiastes 8:11
Romans 13:3-4,
- for rulers are not a terror to good works but to evil do you want to be unafraid of the authority
for he is Gods minister to you for good but if you do evil be afraid for he does not bear the sword in vain for he is Gods minister to you for good
What if "he" is not a minister of good ?
Then the authority is not doing the will of God therefore christians must work to get the government to become as God authorized it to be.
This is done through prayer, teaching those in power the gospel and voting.
Ecclesiastes 8:11,
- because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily therefore the heart of the sins of men is fully set in them to do evil
God authorized civil governments to punish the evil doer speedily.
If not it promotes men to do evil.
Therefore it is Gods people to work to get the authority to pass laws that bring about justice swiftly as God authorized evil men to be punished.
Who else is going to work to get laws passed that God approves of? The secularists in our society?
Christians must work in all areas to influence others to pattern their laws after Gods approval.
Christians are to work in politics just as Gods people became kings in the old testament.
Remember Joseph becoming the second in power in Egypt?
That was a pagan people that God had his own people rule over.
Since God ordained it He authorized how it is to be ordered.
Therefore can civil governments go against Gods purpose for civil government?
Yes,
Now I'm not saying that a government is not controlled by God.
The bible is clear that God puts in place all kings.
God will use evil kings to do His will as well as good Kings.
And when they do go against God, it is Gods people's responsibility to work to create a society that does everything according to His purpose/will. This includes civil government.
Part of that work is praying for our leaders who have authority over us.
Does any Christian think God does not want His people to stop laws that support murder of the unborn or go against Gods formation of the family?
Gods order/arrangement in marrage?
Gods punishment of evil doers?
1Peter 2:13-14
Ecclesiastes 8:11
Romans 13:3-4,
- for rulers are not a terror to good works but to evil do you want to be unafraid of the authority
for he is Gods minister to you for good but if you do evil be afraid for he does not bear the sword in vain for he is Gods minister to you for good
What if "he" is not a minister of good ?
Then the authority is not doing the will of God therefore christians must work to get the government to become as God authorized it to be.
This is done through prayer, teaching those in power the gospel and voting.
Ecclesiastes 8:11,
- because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily therefore the heart of the sins of men is fully set in them to do evil
God authorized civil governments to punish the evil doer speedily.
If not it promotes men to do evil.
Therefore it is Gods people to work to get the authority to pass laws that bring about justice swiftly as God authorized evil men to be punished.
Who else is going to work to get laws passed that God approves of? The secularists in our society?
Christians must work in all areas to influence others to pattern their laws after Gods approval.
Christians are to work in politics just as Gods people became kings in the old testament.
Remember Joseph becoming the second in power in Egypt?
That was a pagan people that God had his own people rule over.
Good luck trying to fight the ALMIGHTY with our little politics when once He has turned to fight against us. Repentance is the only thing that remains for the west now. And it HAS to come from us, the church. Because sin in the camp is the reason we have lost so much ground in our nations....God is not going out with our "armies" any more, so to speak. The "Canaanites" are taking over the land instead of God's people.
Preachers need to be raising their voices and urging the people with utmost urgency to stop their fornications and put away their idols, instead of going on about democrat vs republican and who to vote for and have your best life now. Where are they? Few and far between from what I can tell. Probably because most of them need to stop their own fornications and put away their own idols. Will not God judge for such as this?
We are all the time pointing out and lamenting the terrible sins of the lost in this world, instead of seeing the three fingers that are pointing at us, the church.
Wrangler
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If only your posts were edifying.
You think you are brilliant to recognize politics is carnal? Guess what? We have bodies! If taking care of our bodies were irrelevant to God’s plan, Jesus would not have fed the 5,000, healed the sick, lame and blind.
The idea that Christianity advocates an ivory tower approach to life divorced from the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free is found nowhere in Scripture.
You offer a false dichotomy of spiritual or pragmatic. And. And. And. Our lord gave sermons AND cared for physical needs of his followers. I suggest you do the same.
We were given dominion over all the Earth. How this is done in organizing ourselves is the field of politics.
How did Adam & Eve lose dominion over the earth? So then it became by the sweat of their brow. Is that how it is with us too? Are we now wrestling with flesh and blood instead of rulers and powers in high places? How was/is it that we are supposed to be ruling & reigning with Christ and taking dominion? By the sweat of our brow?
Bible says bodily exercise profits little.....so we exercise a little....practical matters of life in this temporal world is just a little side thing, not the main thing where the church is concerned.
If only your posts reflected what God's Word actually teaches...
Hang in their dude! God will teach you some stuff if you don't give up!
Yes... the Lord provides... NOT the government!
Those looking to the government of men... will always be disappointed so I feel sorry for you, I really do.
Wrangler
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Lizbeth, you are sadly misguided.
Our society allows worship of Baal in the form of baby killing. Individually, some may repent while other's don't. Yet, in the field of politics, we can collectively repent by not allowing baby killing.
The idea that participating in the political process means Christians are automatically fighting against the almighty is about as misguided as one can be.
Wrangler
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This thread is 100% about what you call "just a little side thing." Feel free to post in other threads those topics you deem worthy to be the main thing.
The obstructionist, defeatist mentality among so many in Christiandom is terribly misguided. Our forefather used to Scripture to make the world a better place. Columbus brought Christianity to half the globe. The American experiment was rooted in the principle of self-rule, revolutionary principle of liberty. And it is only where liberty is, will one find the Spirit of the Lord.
Wrangler
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Wrong. Both provide. How'd you get to work? Drive on roads provided and maintained by government.
Well you depend upon man made government... and let us know how that works out for ya!
Government is very very poor provider and is easily hijacked by satan... you liberals know that well.
Wrangler
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So it is with all of the human experience. Still, I practically take a breath.
The idea of denying you also depend on government is hilarious! Criminal and civil protections and all the laws and regulations benefit you each and every day. There is a cost to these benefits beyond money; eternal vigilance.
Hazelelponi
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I'll pass... I don't sit under false calvinist teachers like your Voddie guy
You know what I find amusing, is that the set of beliefs you largely group together as "Calvinist" is the very set of beliefs that made all protestants, Protestant and not Catholic in the first place.
Sitting here in 2024 and calling the teachings espoused by people like Pastor Baucham as false, is to call all of Protestant Christianity false and declaring what the Catholics taught to be true in it's essence, just perhaps not in it's trappings.
So, if you're going to practice catholism without the trappings and join in with your Roman Catholic church brethren in declaring anathema on those who won't fall into line with your way of thinking, more power to you but again, when all is said and done God might just have something different to say.
If I was you I'd at least listen to the sermon series and consider the various sermons prayerfully in the light of God's word instead of dismissing them out of hand.
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Hazelelponi
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Of course we trust in Christ alone for our everything, He sustains everything in the entire universe.
However, we trust in Christ for our sustenance, but we don't express that trust by waiting for food to magically drop into our lap, we go out and work for that sustenance to place on our table and then give God thanks for the health, ability and the opportunity to provide for our family.
Governance is not any different. If you want to live in a land that is reasonably safe to live in, safe from crime, safe to practice your faith in, you have to work towards that end and then thank God for the health, ability and opportunity to provide that for your family.
God bore you into a land that is run by the people in that land. You're one of those people.
You either join the Christians and work towards what God wants in the land for His people, or His enemies work for goals diametrically opposed to God's and overwhelm the few of us who are left, who you've left standing alone against the hordes.
Not in favor of repentance???
Jesus may not be enough for you... but He is for me. He is my Provider. If government crashes... I'll survive.
You obviously don't know much about living by faith... hope you learn what true Christianity is all about some day.
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Both catholic and reformed theology are both false false doctrine... and people like your boy Voddie are not part of the solution, but part of the problem.
Now that's hilarious... thanks for the chuckle.
I have never set foot in a catholic church and will never... they're just as much false doctrine as reformed theology!
Ask your boy Voddie why he believes God does not want all people to be saved and why God created most people to go to hell with no chance for salvation... the god of calvinism is a liar and does not follow the Word of God.
Hazelelponi
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The first followers of Christ who weren't in Israel were in Roman occupied lands. From there Christianity got co-opted a little and went into pagan lands.
As the people from the pagan lands began to be more literate and began reading the Scriptures in their own languages, they realized there were very essential differences between what the Scriptures taught, and what was being taught by the Roman Catholics that were actually very essential doctrines. Essential meaning essential to salvation.
Eventually they went to another land and created a governing structure they believed was more in accordance with what Scripture teaches and due to their reading of the text.
That's the land you were born in. Whether it was even right or wrong to create it is now far beyond the point. Whether you think the doctrines we believe are essential to salvation or not well okay, it's your soul.
The point is, how do we, holding the beliefs we do in Christ, go forward in accordance to Scriptures.
We can't do anything about what was, all we can do is what is right and Godly from this moment forward.
And I don't see a God who says do nothing.
I see a God who placed a Buddhist in my living room a couple months ago, where he heard the Gospel and I got to share how Christ saved me... Because I choose to glorify Him in all I do, and what I don't do is hide in the corner, even if I do live a little remotely.
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We pay attention to God's Word and live by that... which excludes caltholic teachings and reformed theology teachings.
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