I think that comes from people who listen to people teach and preach but they don't read for themselves. So they are open to whichever way the wind blows.
Well, that accounts for the average pew sitting Christian but not the pastors and teachers that propagate this stuff. For them it's more complex. It's starts as beliefs that they believe as an adult because that's what they've always been taught to believe and then they go to a school that teaches them a whole system of beliefs after which time they've invested so much time and effort and money into their doctrine that they are entrenched in it. They then go start a church or become a professor and start the cycle with a new generation.
True enough it doesnt come out and say God created time. But he create the heavens and the earth and all of our universe. Then Einstein finally figured out that space is expanding at the same rate of time. So it's a fairly reasonable assumption that God created man's time...?
Einstein figured out that motion effects clocks, not time. His adding time as a fourth dimension is purely mathematical. In fact, Einstein is, more or less, where physics and cosmology turned the corner and began moving away from an experimentally based science to being a mathematically based metaphysics/quasi-religion.
I don't buy into everything on the following website but their opening article is with reading...
Physics' New Suit
That could be that even the idea is a contradiction. Genesis 1:1 starts out, ...In the beginning/ God created the heavens and the earth. It depends how you read it I guess.
It is definitely a contradiction. It helps to define terms as I've already done but it stands reiterating...
As I said in the previous post, time is not a thing, it is an idea. It is the concept that we use to communicate information related to the duration and sequence of events related to other events. Likewise, space too is not a thing, it is an idea. Space is the concept we use to convey information related to the size and position of objects, relative to other objects. These two ideas are basically two sides of the same coin. They are conventions of language and do not exist outside a thinking mind, one used in relation to objects, the other in relation to events.
Existence, the concept itself, presupposes duration. Which is to say that if something exists, it endures. Thus, you cannot engage the concept of existence without tacitly employing the concept of time. Therefore, the idea of timeless existence is self-contradictory. It's an excellent example of a stolen concept fallacy.
(The “stolen concept” fallacy is the fallacy of using a concept while denying the validity of its genetic roots, i.e., of an earlier concept on which it logically depends.)
I'll buy that. That makes sense.
I dunno if I buy this one.
You can't except one and not the other. It's like trying to keep the heads side while discarding the tales side of the same coin. There are important conceptual reasons why the two go together. It isn't any accident that when Einstein took time down the road of relativity that space came along with it. It's because they're the same basic idea being applied in two different ways.
Space may just be more than a concept. (Time too!). We know that space is expanding and we know that nothing is infinite. We do have a finite material universe. So that brings to the minds eye a pic of a ballon being blown up...
Infinite or not, we definitely DO NOT know that space is expanding! In fact, I categorically reject the notion. There is nothing there to expand nor anywhere for it to expand into.
Ever wonder why there is a seemingly endless parade of rescue devises that modern cosmologist need to keep their Big Bang / accelerating expansion of the universe boat afloat? Dark Matter, Dark Energy, et al. Neither of which has ever been detected even after decades of really expensive efforts to find it - efforts that absolutely should have worked if either existed, by the way. The simple fact is that they refuse to allow falsifying evidence to actually falsify anything.
If the ballon is the universe and is expanding then space is contained and that would take space beyond being a concept into a part of reality that we don't understand yet all about it, lol. But more than a concept.
The concept of expanding space is a contradiction in a similar fashion as is the concept of timeless existence. What is space expanding into? You cannot answer that question without using concepts that only apply inside the space that they claim is expanding. If they claim that space is getting larger, then I ask, "Larger than what?", "Larger? By what standard?" and again, they are left with no way to answer other than to employ concepts that only have meaning inside this universe. When you are FORCED to beg the question in order to defend your worldview, it means that your worldview is false.
Yeah!! and every 6000 years after that!. Starting with the Millenium!
Maybe not. We might be still be on earth time for Christ's reign on earth. So I expect I wont be retired anymore and will have to get up and go to work on Monday. (Sunday?)
I suspect that after the Millennium is concluded and God destroys this universe and creates a new Heaven and a new Earth that He will set up whole new patterns that have entirely different symbolic meanings and that the things of this world will fade into the obscuring mists of time and will no longer come to mind.
