CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

[JBO]

Which you aren’t understanding..imo.

I certainly do not understand you. I don't know how anyone could be so confused about so much.

I am curious. You don't have to answer if you don't want to. But do you associate with any assembly, congregation or church on a regular basis? Do you study God's word with anyone else? Does anyone that you have a personal relationship with, not just web sites like this one, believe as you do?

I ask this because I can't believe that there is really anyone else who actually believes the stuff you believe. And that is saying a lot. I understand what Calvinists believe. I understand very well what Red Baker believes. I think he is wrong, but I understand it. Given the premises He starts from, I can see where he goes. But that is not the case with you. There is no logical path in your case.

 

[Ritajanice]

I certainly do not understand you. I don't know how anyone could be so confused about so much.

I am curious. You don't have to answer if you don't want to. But do you associate with any assembly, congregation or church on a regular basis? Do you study God's word with anyone else? Does anyone that you have a personal relationship with, not just web sites like this one, believe as you do?

This here is just a load of confusion and jargon....an opinion....fruitless and unedifying...I pray for you to grow in maturity @JBO ...in Jesus Name...Amen!

I ask this because I can't believe that there is really anyone else who actually believes the stuff you believe.

Rather that get personal, which by the the way is not of the Spirit...please stick to Gods word...rather than your own demeaning comments on this post of yours.....

Fruitless and unedifying....lacking spiritual maturity in Christ I’m afraid.

It’s like being in the school playground...extremely immature...certainly not expected from an 84 yr old.....focus on the renewing of your mind would also be my advice to you....if you don’t understand what it means..I’d be more than obliged to help you understand....in the Spirit of course,xoxox

Jesus sheep hear his voice only......... and run from strangers..

By the way I post scripture ....unfortunately you don’t understand what is being said..imo....

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◄ Romans 8 ►

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King James Bible Par ▾ No Condemnation in Christ 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Control by the Spirit (Galatians 5:16-26) 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[Red Baker]

Second, I agree, the water itself does nothing about sin. However, the moment of baptism is when God forgives sins.

Emphasis are mine for a brief discussion.

Legally speaking impossible! Jim, you start a thread on this, and I'll prove that this is a serious corruption of God's word. Millions upon millions will inherit eternal life who have never heard of water baptism. Water baptism is a NT doctrine only ~ and then only for those who are old enough to make a full heart commitment to the religion of Jesus Christ, over and above all of religion of this world.

 

[Ritajanice]

Emphasis are mine for a brief discussion.

Legally speaking impossible! Jim, you start a thread on this, and I'll prove that this is a serious corruption of God's word. Millions upon millions will inherit eternal life who have never heard of water baptism.

Exactly , unfortunately for some, they are still in this. Which is in bold and underlined.

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◄ Romans 8 ►

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King James Bible Par ▾ No Condemnation in Christ 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Control by the Spirit (Galatians 5:16-26) 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[Red Baker]

I desire that Robert Pate who started this thread come and defend what he has started.

To believe that God predestinates people to hell before they are born is the height of spiritual depravity. You might be better off to believe in no God at all than to believe that God predestinates people to hell before they are born. To believe that God predestinates people to hell before they are born is to believe that God is an unjust, unrighteous, unmerciful, tyrant. The Bible plainly teaches that God's people are justified by faith. They are justified by faith in God and his righteousness.

Paul wrote, "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him that believes in Jesus., Romans 3:26. It is not possible to believe that God is righteous when he condemns people to hell before they are born. We believe that God and his Son Jesus Christ are righteous and can be trusted. This results in our justification. If you don't believe that God and Jesus Christ are righteous, then you are not a Christian. The God of Calvinism is unrighteous and is depraved. It is not spiritually possible to have faith in the God of Calvinism.

What you believe God is like will be reflected in the way that you live. If you believe that God is merciful, you will be merciful also. John Calvin was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Christians. He was known as the tyrant of Genevia. If you want to know more about John Calvin, google, "The Recorded Atrocities of John Calvin". To say that John Calvin was depraved might be an understatement. Because he was depraved, he invented a depraved religion and named it after himself.

There are dozens and dozens of scriptures that refute Calvinism. The most hated scripture of Calvinism is John 3:16. "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever that believes in him should not perish". They also hate the words "Whosoever" "All" "Everyone" "World". We have a responsibility to preach the Gospel to everyone regardless of what they believe. If you decide to take on these poor lost souls stick with the scriptures and keep your cool.

Robert, I'm one of those poor lost souls waiting for you to show what you think is the truth~I'll stick with scriptures and no problem excising all meekness, patience, and even kindness, when you allow us to do so.

 

[brightfame52]

@Robert Pate

To believe that God predestinates people to hell before they are born is the height of spiritual depravity.

Blasphemy, in fact its the truth of the Gospel as much as God predestinate some people to heaven before they were born, and to oppose it as some do, is the height of ungodliness and depravity.

Jacob and Esau picture and pharoah picture people who were predestined to hell and to heaven before they were born to ever do any good or evil Rom 9:11-23

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

 

[JBO]

Emphasis are mine for a brief discussion.

Legally speaking impossible! Jim, you start a thread on this, and I'll prove that this is a serious corruption of God's word. Millions upon millions will inherit eternal life who have never heard of water baptism. Water baptism is a NT doctrine only ~ and then only for those who are old enough to make a full heart commitment to the religion of Jesus Christ, over and above all of religion of this world.

Yes I agree, water baptism is a NT doctrine only. But then so is regeneration. Regeneration is a NT doctrine only. And both are then only for those who are old enough to make a full heart commitment to the religion of Jesus Christ. However that changes nothing of what I said.

 

[Ritajanice]

Regeneration is a Living Spiritual birth....you can’t explain that to an unbeliever...well you could explain...but, if they are unregenerate, they wouldn’t have a clue what we’re talking about....they would think we are barmy...LOL.

As Gods word says.in bold and underlined.

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◄ 1 Corinthians 2 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Message by the Spirit’s Power 1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Spiritual Wisdom (Ephesians 1:15–23) 6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b 10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[JBO]

@Robert Pate



Blasphemy, in fact its the truth of the Gospel as much as God predestinate some people to heaven before they were born, and to oppose it as some do, is the height of ungodliness and depravity.

Jacob and Esau picture and pharoah picture people who were predestined to hell and to heaven before they were born to ever do any good or evil Rom 9:11-23

Nothing there says anything about Jacob being predestined to heaven or Esau and Pharoah being predestined to hell.

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

That entire passage is speaking about how God has used them in their lives, not where they ended up going in their next life.

In fact verse 12, "The elder shall serve the younger". Is not even speaking of them as persons. There is nothing in the Bible about Esau serving Jacob. The Bible does speak about the nation out of Esau serving the nation out of Jacob.

And verse 21 about the potter having power over the clay. That is all about God using people in this life. It is about God using whoever He wants to serve Him in this life without being obligated to save him. Clay is clearly a description of the human life in this world, not the spiritual life in the world to come.

And in verse 22, there is nothing demonstrated by God giving eternal life to anyone or giving eternal condemnation to anyone. That is not something that can even be witnessed. What can be witnessed is how God uses people in this life; how God used Noah, or Moses, or Jacob or Esau, or Pharoah. It is in the Acts of God witnessed in the Bible that we can come to believe God. It is only by that that God makes known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory. It is by seeing how God has dealt with humanity here in this life that we can believe in Him.

 

[JBO]

Regeneration is a Living Spiritual birth....

It is a living spiritual rebirth.

 

[Red Baker]

Yes I agree, water baptism is a NT doctrine only. But then so is regeneration. Regeneration is a NT doctrine only. And both are then only for those who are old enough to make a full heart commitment to the religion of Jesus Christ. However that changes nothing of what I said.

Oh Jim~regeneration is biblical doctrine taught all through the word of God!

Regeneration is so vitally important, and the Holy Spirit is the One who creates a new man within us. Anyone who was a believer in the Old Testament had to be regenerate before they would be a believer. So anyone who was regenerated in Old Testament experienced the work of God the Holy Spirit in changing the disposition of their soul. Psalms 32 is quoted by Paul in Romans 4. NT saints are children of Abraham having the same faith that he had~Read Galatians 3~Isaca was a type of all of the children of God's promises read Galatians 4. There would be no Hebrews 11 if they were not born of God in the very same manner as we are. On and one we could go.

I'm on the run so this was done very quickly, but could come back and be very thorough.

 

[brightfame52]

Nothing there says anything about Jacob being predestined to heaven or Esau and Pharoah being predestined to hell.

That entire passage is speaking about how God has used them in their lives, not where they ended up going in their next life.

In fact verse 12, "The elder shall serve the younger". Is not even speaking of them as persons. There is nothing in the Bible about Esau serving Jacob. The Bible does speak about the nation out of Esau serving the nation out of Jacob.

And verse 21 about the potter having power over the clay. That is all about God using people in this life. It is about God using whoever He wants to serve Him in this life without being obligated to save him. Clay is clearly a description of the human life in this world, not the spiritual life in the world to come.

And in verse 22, there is nothing demonstrated by God giving eternal life to anyone or giving eternal condemnation to anyone. That is not something that can even be witnessed. What can be witnessed is how God uses people in this life; how God used Noah, or Moses, or Jacob or Esau, or Pharoah. It is in the Acts of God witnessed in the Bible that we can come to believe God. It is only by that that God makes known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory. It is by seeing how God has dealt with humanity here in this life that we can believe in Him.

Many today in mans false religion have been deceived about the doctrine of election, so its needful to provide the truth, and those who really believe can appreciate the sacred doctrine. The Truth is God actively and unconditionally predestined the elect for heaven and the wicked non elect for hell, He made them Prov 16:4, for the day of evil, eternal judgment, they are the vessels of wrath He fits them for destruction, for their sins, these He hated before they were born Rom 9

 

[Scott Downey]

That’s your opinion of scripture..no more valid than anyone else’s.....where does God say these vessels of wrath are people?

I let scripture speak for itself.

 

[Scott Downey]

Nothing there says anything about Jacob being predestined to heaven or Esau and Pharoah being predestined to hell.

That entire passage is speaking about how God has used them in their lives, not where they ended up going in their next life.

In fact verse 12, "The elder shall serve the younger". Is not even speaking of them as persons. There is nothing in the Bible about Esau serving Jacob. The Bible does speak about the nation out of Esau serving the nation out of Jacob.

And verse 21 about the potter having power over the clay. That is all about God using people in this life. It is about God using whoever He wants to serve Him in this life without being obligated to save him. Clay is clearly a description of the human life in this world, not the spiritual life in the world to come.

And in verse 22, there is nothing demonstrated by God giving eternal life to anyone or giving eternal condemnation to anyone. That is not something that can even be witnessed. What can be witnessed is how God uses people in this life; how God used Noah, or Moses, or Jacob or Esau, or Pharoah. It is in the Acts of God witnessed in the Bible that we can come to believe God. It is only by that that God makes known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory. It is by seeing how God has dealt with humanity here in this life that we can believe in Him.

Scripture actually does say this.
That chapter finishes up saying exactly that.
vessels of wrath are not prepared for obtaining glory, they are prepared for certain destruction, and if it is not heaven then its the other place, hell.
Then it also compares their fate, they are made to become like unto that of Sodom and Gomorrah..
And for Israel only a remnant is saved. Saved means a destiny of salvation with God in Heaven, the rest obviously do not go into limbo non existence. Every one goes to Heaven or Hell.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:

“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Anyhow your fight is not with flesh and blood, it is not with me either.
It is a spiritual fight, and some resist and fight against God.
Typical natural human thinking of carnal minds making God in their image instead of acknowledging God, who did it the other way.
God wrote the words in these books.

Israel Resists the Holy Spirit​

51 “You stiff-necked[g] and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. 52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, 53 who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.”

 

[Scott Downey]

No mention of people being vessels of wrath...I also let God’s word speak...

Just a lot of nonsense that this Calvin guy has people believing...when you can show me vessels of wrath are people we may continue the discussion..until such a time...have a nice fruitful day.

Vessels of mercy and vessels of wrath are individual people
it is right there shown by v24, the vessels of mercy are US whom He called.
Angles and Demons can not be saved, only other kind of thing a vessel here can be is a human person.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

[Zao is life]

@Robert Pate I could not agree more. Calvin's pre-destination doctrine is a gross insult to God and to the blood of Christ.

@Red Baker

-- And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. -- Romans 8:28

GOD'S PURPOSE

-- And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after our likeness.
And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle,
and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth. -- Genesis 1:26

-- When I look at Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars which You have established; what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than 'elohiym (see Genesis 1:26-27 & Hebrews 1:3), and have crowned him with glory and honor.

You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet: -- Psalm 8:3-6

-- For as much as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you. -- 1 Peter 1:18-20

QUESTION: Who is it who was foreknown before the foundation of the world to become Adam (mankind's) Savior?

Not Adam, OR the children of Adam, but Christ. Only He existed before the foundation of the world.

-- According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. having predestined us to the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will -- Ephesians 1:4-5

We are ALL descended from Adam, and we are ALL in Adam until we are born again into the last Adam (Jesus), but in Calvinist theology, Adam was sawed in two FROM the foundation of the world so that one part can be saved and the other part not - because according to Calvin, BEFORE the foundation of the world God chose to save one part of (the sons of) Adam and the other not.

But that's not what scripture says about the One who was foreordained before the foundation of the world to become the Savior of Adam and the children of Adam:

The statement "He was foreknown before the foundation of the world" does not qualify the purpose for which God sent Jesus, with the words "for many" or "for some", or any qualification at all.

-- For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. -- 1 Corinthians 15:21-22.

Loving darkness rather than light implies choice on the part of individuals:

-- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. -- John 3:16-19.

Humans are not robots, pre-programmed to either choose life, or death. No one except Christ even existed before he was born, but Christ existed before anyone was born, and before Adam was even created, and was foreordained before the foundation of the world to be the Savior of Adam, and the children of Adam.

Calvin's doctrine of predestination is an insult to the blood of Christ and a slur against God.​

 

[Scott Downey]

I think somehow reading comprehension is become reading incomprehension!

 

[Scott Downey]

@Robert Pate I could not agree more. Calvin's pre-destination doctrine is a gross insult to God and to the blood of Christ.

@Red Baker

-- And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. -- Romans 8:28

GOD'S PURPOSE

-- And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after our likeness.
And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle,
and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth. -- Genesis 1:26

-- When I look at Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars which You have established; what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than 'elohiym (see Genesis 1:26-27 & Hebrews 1:3), and have crowned him with glory and honor.

You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet: -- Psalm 8:3-6

-- For as much as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you. -- 1 Peter 1:18-20

QUESTION: Who is it who was foreknown before the foundation of the world to become Adam (mankind's) Savior?

Not Adam, OR the children of Adam, but Christ. Only He existed before the foundation of the world.

-- According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. having predestined us to the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will -- Ephesians 1:4-5

We are ALL descended from Adam, and we are ALL in Adam until we are born again into the last Adam (Jesus), but in Calvinist theology, Adam was sawed in two FROM the foundation of the world so that one part can be saved and the other part not - because according to Calvin, BEFORE the foundation of the world God chose to save one part of (the sons of) Adam and the other not.

But that's not what scripture says about the One who was foreordained before the foundation of the world to become the Savior of Adam and the children of Adam:

The statement "He was foreknown before the foundation of the world" does not qualify the purpose for which God sent Jesus, with the words "for many" or "for some", or any qualification at all.

-- For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. -- 1 Corinthians 15:21-22.

Loving darkness rather than light implies choice on the part of individuals:

-- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. -- John 3:16-19.

Humans are not robots, pre-programmed to either choose life, or death. No one except Christ even existed before he was born, but Christ existed before anyone was born, and before Adam was even created, and was foreordained before the foundation of the world to be the Savior of Adam, and the children of Adam.

Calvin's doctrine of predestination is an insult to the blood of Christ and a slur against God.​

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You are not reading the scriptures that tell us God foreknew HIS PEOPLE then.
Romans 11
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

 

[Scott Downey]

I can only conclude that scripture has little meaning today to those who oppose the scriptures.
They continually attempt to nullify what God has said, or they subvert and twist it.
They certainly don't seem to read it or study it, as how can they say the things they say.