How do conservative evangelicals reconcile their support for Trump with Trump’s sinful lifestyle?

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Not much Trump could do. He had to leave it in the hands of the Governors of the states.
Just like the summer of love. He needed the Governors permission to send in national guard except for Federal buildings like court houses.
I like DeSantis but he got big Lobby donors behind him too. He wasn't able to take down Disney or any of the other establishments unless it was given to him. They would of faught him the same way their fighting Trump.
He sings a good song, but for some reason it sounds out of key for me.
Nikki Haley is a war mongerer. She'll have us burning down the world with twice as much ferociousness as Biden.
She's in bed with the military establishment. And will run the pentagon like Hitler. I don't trust her.

Not many I do trust to tell the truth. I'm not sure where we'll be this time next year. We'll just have to wait and see.
In the meantime... We have to trust that God knows what he's doing.
And be the best that we can be regardless if we get brought under the hand of Babylon.
We will be like Daniel. And our faith will never waiver no matter who is running the show.

Focus on God. He won't steer us wrong as long as we have faith in Him.
God Bless
Hugs

My main thing against Nikki is he religion.

She married a man and became a christian.

When asked about her religion she has said it is complicated.

But look at this article

Nikki Haley's Faith Could Become An Issue In 2024 White House Bid

Nikki Haley's faith is up for discussion as she continues to position herself for a 2024 presidential bid. What does she believe? Does she know?

www.fitsnews.com

Haley added that her parents made her “go to different churches – Methodist, Baptist, Catholic,” advising her to “respect everyone and how they do their prayers, but understand there’s one God, but everyone has their own pathway.”

As for Sikhism, Haley told Faris she could “feel God in the room, but I couldn’t understand it because I didn’t know the language.”

She elsewhere has said she goes with her mom to Indian services.

It may just be me but it bothers me. I would prefer she picked something she could defend and talk about then to be basically clueless.

 

[Ziggy]

My main thing against Nikki is he religion.

She married a man and became a christian.

When asked about her religion she has said it is complicated.

But look at this article

Nikki Haley's Faith Could Become An Issue In 2024 White House Bid

Nikki Haley's faith is up for discussion as she continues to position herself for a 2024 presidential bid. What does she believe? Does she know?

www.fitsnews.com

Haley added that her parents made her “go to different churches – Methodist, Baptist, Catholic,” advising her to “respect everyone and how they do their prayers, but understand there’s one God, but everyone has their own pathway.”

As for Sikhism, Haley told Faris she could “feel God in the room, but I couldn’t understand it because I didn’t know the language.”

She elsewhere has said she goes with her mom to Indian services.

It may just be me but it bothers me. I would prefer she picked something she could defend and talk about then to be basically clueless.

I hear you. But again we are nominating a President not a Priest or a Pastor or a Holy person.
Actually that's probably against the constitution of church and state.. It's not their religion we are nominating right?
It would be beneficial to us if they believed the Bill of Rights where it says that we are endowed by God though.

Here I'll let Biden explain it.

Hugs

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I am looking for a Saint that was the President of the USA ! Non in fact were Saints at all.

Trump may become a Saint ? Saving the USA from the hellfire that it is being leading to an abomination.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Ever wonder if fervent anti-Trumpers take a good look at the Democrats?

Especially the AT's that ignore Trump's being born again means God forgave and forgot his past sins. And all others are under the blood of Christ .

But the Anti-Trumpers don't know that.

When Hillary was running for office it came to the attention of the Net that the DNC enlisted DNC trolls to join any community forum that offered a news and or political discussion forum.
From there the DNC Trolls would join and proceed to bad mouth the Republican party.

I don't think that has ever stopped being a thing.

 

[Ziggy]

It's easy to lump everyone of a certain denomination or political party into a particular mold.
It's not true though. Because many individuals with many different opinions choose sides for different reasons.
I often write about how every morning at 7am est I watch Washington Journal on C-Span. It's a political call in show.
Usually the first hour they post a subject and people call in to give their opinion on the topic.
Then they have a guest or two on different topics of the day, and you can call in and ask them questions.
They also have a short segment called open forum where you can call in on any topic you want to say something about.
You can call in once a month and they have different phone lines set up for either parties or locations.
I've never called in myself, but I like hearing the pulse of the people.

I've been watching this program for over 20 years. And not until Trump became President has it been so hmm unmanageable.
By that I mean, no matter what the topic is, almost every Democrat that calls in blames Trump for whatever. It doesn't even have to be topic related. They just charge right in with Trump this, Trump that.
I find myself yelling at the caller: Stay on topic!!
Republicans tend to stay more on topic but you have your strays that only want to go after Biden. Again: Stay on Topic!

But when both sides do stay on the topic, I don't find a whole lot of differences in their ways to try to solve the problems.
I find myself agreeing with both sides many times. There's a lot of good ideas out there when it doesn't revolve around TRUMP or BIDEN.
You may be surprised to find that not all democrats fall under this climate change agenda scam. Or, not all republicans agree with how we should deal with the border crisis.
If you take the Party affiliation away from the caller, they're just people like the rest of us, looking for answers and solutions.

I believe the problem is that there are very extreme views on both sides. And it's these minority, because they are not the majority,
that are making the most noise and making it harder for other people in their party to say what they want to say.
I think we are afraid of being ridiculed or criticised if we don't go along with whatever "cult" we belong to. lol

The media has done an awesome job of brainwashing all of us to hate each other because of the party we tend to lean towards.
My daughter, now she tends to lean towards the left and I tend to lean towards the right. And we get into some really good discussions on very controversial topics. And we both listen to each other and try to see it from the others point of view.
And most times we don't agree, but that doesn't stop us from being family and having conversations that have nothing to do with politics.
We have a lot of other things in common in our daily life that have nothing to do with who is President or what the new bill or policy just got passed.
But the media whether its MSNBC or Fox news are keeping us divided even on what you want to have for dinner tonight.
It's rediculous. And we need to stop allowing them to dictate how we feel about our family, our friends, our neighbors, our community.
I don't watch tv anymore. I haven't watched for years. I get most my news from other media sites on the internet.
And yes I mainly stick to the conservative views because I am a conservative. But every now and then I watch more moderate views and if it's not too controversial, then I find myself sharing the same ideas.

We aught to try to listen more and find more topics to discuss in this forum then those we know are going to divide us.
Neither side is going to persuade the other on real hard controversial topics.
You're just looking for a fight and not common ground.
I admit there are times when I like a good debate, but not when it resorts to personal attacks and name calling.
That's wrong and should be frowned upon. Debate the topic not the poster.
You may find we have a lot more in common on the common things, and we need to start somewhere.
We're destroying ourselves and this country by allowing the politics and the media to make itself god in our lives.

Try to be peaceful. If it gets too heated, just walk away. Don't be quick to answer, but try to listen harder.

okaaayyy..
I think I'm going to get off the pulpit now. I'm done preaching.
Hugs

 

[BlessedPeace]

There is always the standby, let those without sin cast the first stone.


;)

 

[Spyder]

Those who don't see the huge failure of the Federal Government to follow the U.S. Constitution, and how it started a century ago, are remaining blind because everything was done "in moderation." Its as if "compromise" is a virtue. It is not. However, social norms have placed us into a position that standing for what's right on firm issues get us verbally tarred-and-feathered. Most people can stand it.

Trump can - and that is why he is hated by the left, and now I see it is also my moderate independents.

 

[JohnDB]

Niki is a politician....sell her own mother out for a vote. Been caught absolutely reversing herself.

Vivek?
Sounds like a snake oil salesman. Talks too fast and speaks about every conspiracy theory as if it were fact.

Trump
A brute of a man serving his own ego but actually has America as a whole best interests at heart. He can definitely be a bully but not unreasonable. Always lives for "the deal" that is in his favor and doesn't relent until he gets it. He is used to answering to a board of directors and investors and will actually deliver on campaign promises without excuses. (Which infuriates political opponents)
Sure he has retail businesses that offer services to the General Public and elite wealthy....but that's a normal businessman. Even peanut farmers sell peanuts....just not for inflated prices. And he hasn't been caught squeezing the corporate world for insider information to make money on the stock exchange. Unlike most of Congress.

 

[Hobie]

Those who don't see the huge failure of the Federal Government to follow the U.S. Constitution, and how it started a century ago, are remaining blind because everything was done "in moderation." Its as if "compromise" is a virtue. It is not. However, social norms have placed us into a position that standing for what's right on firm issues get us verbally tarred-and-feathered. Most people can stand it.

Trump can - and that is why he is hated by the left, and now I see it is also my moderate independents.

Well, both sides are working to destroy each other, and in doing this destroying our nation and the foundations it was built on. We are in for a world of hurt in what both are given the power to, this New World Order and like the proverbial lights in the trunnel coming, its a trainwreck which prophecy foretold...

 

[Ziggy]

I was just reading 1 Thessalonians chapter 5 and the Day of the Lord.

1Th 5:1
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th 5:7
For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
1Th 5:8
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Th 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Th 5:10
Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
1Th 5:11
Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

The wrath is going to fall on their own heads. We may have to go through some very difficult times ahead.
But those who think they will get away with this... Won't.
Put on the armor of God and watch.

We are his witnesses. And the end of this story will be Glorious!
Keep the faith. Stay strong in the Lord.
Hold the line.
Hugs

 

[rebuilder 454]

I decided to start this discussion thread because I dislike how so many evangelical Christians fervently support Donald Trump. Indeed, their support for the guy is unwavering and often fanatical, a description that is by no means hyperbolic. A cursory glance at the life of Trump demonstrates that he is a deeply sinful man. One such example is that he has been married three times, having divorced two wives already, and it gets worse: All three women were betrayed including his third wife, Melania. During Trump’s third marriage, he slept with an aged porn star and paid her hush money to keep the affair a secret (which didn’t turn out too well for him).

To be clear about something: I am not arguing whether or not Trump is a sincere Christian. That isn’t the topic of this discussion. My opinion is that, while Trump pays lip service to the evangelical political positions to court their votes, he is only saying what he must say to garner support, get the right-wing votes, and ultimately get what he wants: Another shot at being POTUS for four more years. Obviously Trump’s so-called faith in Christ exists only insofar as it benefits his political career. That is why there aren’t any accounts of him being a regular church-going Christian.

When Donald Trump lost the 2020 Presidential Election to Joe Biden, something truly terrible ensued: An insurrection at the White House. Trump supporters stormed the place, bringing with them Confederate flags, many of them armed, and some people died. It was truly a national disgrace.

Granted Trump didn’t give any specific orders to overthrow the White House. But consider the nature of his speech: It was vindictive with victimhood written all over it, and there was an implicit assumption of violence. Inciting an insurrection indirectly is still inciting an insurrection! Fortunately there are over a dozen states that are now trying to keep the insurrectionist off the ballot so he doesn’t become president again, and hopefully dozens more states will follow suit.

Jesus has been nicknamed the Prince of Peace because he taught love, mercy, compassion, kindness, and all the great heavenly virtues. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ pacifism with their support for Trump, a notorious insurrectionist? Jesus also taught lifetime monogamy in Matthew 19:8-9. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ teaching about marital faithfulness with Trump's serial betrayals against all three of his wives?

You bought into the democratic swamp propaganda.
Just unbelievable.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I decided to start this discussion thread because I dislike how so many evangelical Christians fervently support Donald Trump. Indeed, their support for the guy is unwavering and often fanatical, a description that is by no means hyperbolic. A cursory glance at the life of Trump demonstrates that he is a deeply sinful man. One such example is that he has been married three times, having divorced two wives already, and it gets worse: All three women were betrayed including his third wife, Melania. During Trump’s third marriage, he slept with an aged porn star and paid her hush money to keep the affair a secret (which didn’t turn out too well for him).

To be clear about something: I am not arguing whether or not Trump is a sincere Christian. That isn’t the topic of this discussion. My opinion is that, while Trump pays lip service to the evangelical political positions to court their votes, he is only saying what he must say to garner support, get the right-wing votes, and ultimately get what he wants: Another shot at being POTUS for four more years. Obviously Trump’s so-called faith in Christ exists only insofar as it benefits his political career. That is why there aren’t any accounts of him being a regular church-going Christian.

When Donald Trump lost the 2020 Presidential Election to Joe Biden, something truly terrible ensued: An insurrection at the White House. Trump supporters stormed the place, bringing with them Confederate flags, many of them armed, and some people died. It was truly a national disgrace.

Granted Trump didn’t give any specific orders to overthrow the White House. But consider the nature of his speech: It was vindictive with victimhood written all over it, and there was an implicit assumption of violence. Inciting an insurrection indirectly is still inciting an insurrection! Fortunately there are over a dozen states that are now trying to keep the insurrectionist off the ballot so he doesn’t become president again, and hopefully dozens more states will follow suit.

Jesus has been nicknamed the Prince of Peace because he taught love, mercy, compassion, kindness, and all the great heavenly virtues. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ pacifism with their support for Trump, a notorious insurrectionist? Jesus also taught lifetime monogamy in Matthew 19:8-9. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ teaching about marital faithfulness with Trump's serial betrayals against all three of his wives?

ridiculous.
The footage of the capitol that day, that was HITHHEALD ,by your democrats, until republicans demanded it , completely destroys your entire false premise. It was your democrats that planned it and made it happen.
You are totally decieved.

 

[Ziggy]

We haven't seen all of the footage yet to date. They are still withholding a lot.
They want to blur out the faces before they make them public.
My question is, is it truly for the protestors sake, whom they have all information on anyways through their cellphones?
Or is it to hide the identities of those that infiltrated the groups to agitate them to turn it into a riot?
I'm thinking it's the latter.

Ray Epps got off scott free for orchestrating going into the capital that day. While hundreds of protesters, some which weren't even in DC that day are sitting in jail being abused.
Why aren't people out protesting about that?
Because the left knows how to shame people into submission, and we let them.

There is still more to come. I would like to see what was going on with the congress that knew exactly what was happening.
Why did they keep stalling and calling recesses? It's all about timing.

Sometimes.. to be a fly on the wall...
Hugs

 

[rebuilder 454]

Which is your opinion of course.

I and others disagree with you. Some of it is fact, but easily explained and not Biden's fault, but the pandemic.

For me it is anyone but Trump, Haley or DeSantis in 2024. I would have chosen Christie, but he backed out.

Remember, I am an Independent Moderate.

Maybe I should put that as my signature.

No president in modern history has had a large group of pastors pray for him in the oval office except trump.
So your position is against the best man we ever had leading is.

 

[rebuilder 454]

 

[Naomanos]

No president in modern history has had a large group of pastors pray for him in the oval office except trump.
So your position is against the best man we ever had leading is.

The fact that your putting Trump above George Washington is laughable.

That makes what you said about irrelevant!

George Washington didn't even want to be president. He got elected anyway. He feared he'd become a tyrant just like the King the United States of America had just win its independence from.

He is the greatest President this country ever had. Trump will never come close to that, ever!

 

[rebuilder 454]

No president in modern history has had a large group of pastors pray for him in the oval office except trump.
So your position is against the best man we ever had leading is.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The fact that your putting Trump above George Washington is laughable.

That makes what you said about irrelevant!

George Washington didn't even want to be president. He got elected anyway. He feared he'd become a tyrant just like the King the United States of America had just win its independence from.

He is the greatest President this country ever had. Trump will never come close to that, ever!

Lol
I said "modern".
But you seem comfortable with getting things mixed up

 

[rebuilder 454]

The fact that your putting Trump above George Washington is laughable.

That makes what you said about irrelevant!

George Washington didn't even want to be president. He got elected anyway. He feared he'd become a tyrant just like the King the United States of America had just win its independence from.

He is the greatest President this country ever had. Trump will never come close to that, ever!

Your starting place is off

That is where you begin to process info...from the wrong place.
You are just a trump hater.
You have no true reason except those people feeding you propaganda

 

[Naomanos]

Lol
I said "modern".
But you seem comfortable with getting things mixed up

Umm, yes, you said modern in your first sentence.

However, when you say, "So your position is against the best man we ever had leading is." negates the first sentence. Had you said in the last so many years, in that last sentence, sure, you'd have a point, but when you say ever had leading us, you change the meaning.