And what happens to that spiritual resurrection if we factor in not once saved always saved?
THAT is an excellent question, David. :)
Of course though, if memory serves me, you don't believe NOSAS is Biblical to begin with. Yet, the following example clearly, undeniably, proves NOSAS is 100% Biblical.
Romans 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Is one going to argue that for a Gentile to be graffed into the the good olive tree here, that it does not mean one is saved?
Is one going to argue that God will never cut off any Gentile for any reason once a Gentile is graffed in?
Is one going to argue that if a Gentile does get cut off, for whatever reasons, they remain saved, regardless?
Is one going to argue that if a Gentile does get cut off, for whatever reasons, that they can be graffed in yet again?
This latter question implying God is being mocked if God cuts off a Gentile and that that same Gentile thinks they can be graffed in yet again.
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Anyone that might want to argue any of those things is not someone I care to listen to. None of those arguments are valid, period. Nothing to debate or dispute. Clearly then, NOSAS is Biblical, period.
If you mean to say, David, that we are
not more than conquerors through Him Who loved us, and that death or life, or angels or rulers, or things present or things to come, or powers, or height or depth, or anything else in all creation
is able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord, then no, then what you say is not Biblical, and quite the opposite (Romans 8:37-39). And
if you mean to say that He who began a good work in us
might not bring it to completion at the day of Christ, then no, what you way is not biblical, and quite the opposite (Philippians 1:6). And
if you mean to say that God has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is
perishable, or
defiled, or
fading, or
not kept in heaven for us, or that God is
not powerful enough to guard us through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time, then no, what you say is not Biblical, and quite the opposite (1 Peter 1:3-5). And
if you mean to say that the gifts and the calling of God
are revocable, then no, what you say is not Biblical, and quite the opposite (Romans 11:29).
And since it is Biblical...
It is not; quite the opposite.
, Amil cannot be true since this would mean that after having part in the first resurrection one can lose part in it. That's absurd.
What's absurd is thinking that even after having part in the first resurrection, one can lose part in it. "Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection!" (Revelation 20:6).
This can't happen if the first resurrection is bodily, though.
Agreed.
No one can lose part in it after having been bodily raised.
Well sure, but spiritually, too, which is what the first resurrection, referred to in Revelation 20:4-6 is. :) The first resurrection guarantees that anyone who shares will not experience the second death.
IOW, it is already decided prior to the first resurrection if one remained saved or not.
Hm, yes, agreed; I would say before the foundation of the world;
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us for adoption to Himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace, with which He has blessed us in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, which He lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of His will, according to His purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth. In Him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him Who works all things according to the counsel of His will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:3-14).
Which speaks to my eternal security in Christ statement above, also... :)
And if they didn't, they don't have part in the first resurrection to begin with.
Agreed.
Grace and peace to you, David.
