Sugar coating hell - the bitter pill
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Yes, I suppose it might.
Do you have any idea where our Bible came from?
The translation process? The myriad of methods to choose from?
The fact that we don't have the original manuscripts?
What we have is our best guess?
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus – Textual Criticism 101
https://www.bereanpatriot.com/majority-text-vs-critical-text-vs-textus-receptus-textual-criticism-101/#Corruption-of-the-Alexandrian-text-type/
JW?
Yeah, from God.
Doesn't it bother you that our Christian Bible says you're wrong?
Nope.
Seriously?
Yes, it actually does. But I don't blame that on God.
Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author
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That's not a good comparison. Toddlers are in a state of innocence and are incapable of knowing right from wrong. It also shifts the responsibility to God when it should be shifted to the person rejecting God. God is ultimately not the one sending them to hell; they send themselves to hell by their own free will choices.
You assume everyone should automatically be saved and go to heaven, regardless of their desires and actions, but there are problems with that. The first is sin and God cannot mix. It would be impossible for sin to coexist in the presence of a holy God. Second, you want God to impose His will and force them to serve Him in heaven. Which is more cruel? Giving them eternal separation, which is really what they want, or forcing them to be with God and serve Him for all eternity? Our heaven would be their hell. Plus, there would always be contention between those who freely worship God and those who don't.
That's a misunderstanding of my position on this. Allow me to clarify, thanks.
I believe everyone is already saved by the redemptive work of Christ on our behalf, but EVERYONE will answer for their deeds.
There will be a whole age of judgement, mercy, correction, restoration and redemption to go through first.
The nations, leaders, and individuals will all be judged. Weeping and gnashing of teeth for sure.
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The hell doctrine has always been "the fly in the ointment" for me.
Being raised evangelical, I was fine with all of it, (didn't know any better) except the hell doctrine.
The glitch in the Matrix. "You've been down that road. You know where it ends."
Even very by-the-book Christians are modifying their views on hell, or the afterlife.
As the previous trend for fire-and-brimstone preaching has all but gone the way of the dinosaur.
Leaning toward a more personalized stance on "eternal separation from God". (whatever that means to you)
The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?
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Being raised evangelical, I was fine with all of it, (didn't know any better) except the hell doctrine.
The glitch in the Matrix. "You've been down that road. You know where it ends."
Even very by-the-book Christians are modifying their views on hell, or the afterlife.
As the previous trend for fire-and-brimstone preaching has all but gone the way of the dinosaur.
Leaning toward a more personalized stance on "eternal separation from God". (whatever that means to you)
The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?
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The problem with that is, while Jesus's righteousness, grace and love is more than enough to deal with every sin from every person who has, is, or will live.
Those same people have to durring their lifetime believe in Jesus as per John3:16-18.
My understanding is that the atonement paid the death penalty for all sin. (singular)
It wasn't about individual sins. (plural)
The atonement was complete. We can't undo it by our own actions.
Granted, every individual will answer for their transgressions, but that is a separate point.
The ultimate goal is the redemption and restoration of humankind.
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You really should read the Bible some time.
Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
I find it interesting that the dyed-in-the-wool Christians behave as if they absolutely hate me.
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Keiw
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God set before all-Deut 30:19= LIFE or DEATH. By our actions proves which we choose. Eternal suffering teaching was symbolic. Only a sadist would create such a place. Only those in darkness teach it literal and believe its literal.
Wick Stick
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The Bible is pretty clear that belief on Jesus is required for salvation. The Bible is, however, NOT very clear as to what that salvation entails.
There are several things to be saved from in the Bible. Hell is only one of them. I can't think of a place where hell is mentioned alongside belief in a clear statement linking the two.
You do struggle with English.
Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
That might be your goal but is it God's?
As John 3:16-18 says those who believe or who do not believe.
Yet john3:16-18 is very clear talking about eternal life, perishing and Condemnation.
What's more important than escaping spending eternity with Satan in the "everlasting fire"? NOTHING!
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