SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

[mailmandan]

Faith & works go hand-in-hand.
Like love, faith is a motivator.

Good works... really, what we do & how we act in everyday life… shows if we have a living faith, or a dead faith, ie., no faith at all.
James clarified this when he wrote at James 2:17, “faith by itself, without works, is dead.”
Vs.26 reiterates the fact.

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.

James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24) Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28) It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24-28; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) Perfect harmony.

In regard to James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converge around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body exhibits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works. (Ephesians 2:5-10)

 

[amigo de christo]

He would NOT have been living in you, IF you had rejected his grace.

For it is by grace through faith; his grace, our faith in believing he is whom he says he is.

God does not force, coerce, overwhelm, nor enter into a person making them to believe.
However, the evil spirit does, then lies to convince such of their righteousness, and blinds them to the truth of God's word.

It is sad.
I can image such a one being thrown from loved ones homes, desiring to participate in murder, rebelling even to the pulling out of their own hair in rage when told God's word or being told of the the need of his word for living in him !

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

If predestination or predeterminism were true, THEN GOD WOULD HAVE TO BE A LIAR.

the sad sad fact is that even many within christendom have come to another idea of grace , another jesus , another love go spell .
AND IT WONT BE SAVING THEM . And though they holler let us build bridges and tear down walls
and let us merge as one to find common ground with all
and let us feed and clothe the hungry , let us not make mention of biblical truth its doctrine that divides
and though they cry we do this in the name of JESUS , OF GOD and of love , ITS ALL A DELUSION and A STRONG ONE
that has been sent to unify the tribes and religoins of the world to merge as one under a LIE that will damn all who do so .
Many have rejected the biblical GOD for another god , the BIBLICAL christ for an anti christ
and biblical truth for the precepts of men and a false love . THEY HAVE TROD JESUS CHRIST Under foot .
They see the biblical GOD and HIS CHRIST , those words as IN THE WAY of their love and their image of what they see as GOD
and as CHRIST . MANY AINT gonna make it sister . But this lamb seeth the SWORD approaching and shall continue to warn
REPENT YE one and repent ye all of the all inclusive delusion that is unifying you under the idea of WORLD PEACE N SAFETY
FOR SUDDEN DESTRUCTION shall come upon all and in a day and a hour known to no man .
And unto those who heard the warning and yet heeded not , THEIR BLOOD be upon themselves
for they chose the lie over the truth of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL OF CHRIST and sat under a unifying lie that DENIED HIM and
HIS WORDS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Matthew 4
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, ****Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, ****It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then sait JESUS into him, GET THEE HENCE,SATAN, for it is writtenThou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Luke 8:11-15
11 Now the parable is this: THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.
12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

( Read whole of Luke 8 to see the different grounds the word of God, THE SEED, is sown in)

satan can quote the word, for his purpose, out of the context if the H.S.

Wolves in wool no longer have just crept in , they have indeed overtaken about the entire realm of christendom .
And more and more are uniting under the one world religoin . what it this one world religoin
that so captivates not only christendom but the relgions as well as the secular .
What is the one thing that all of humanity has in common . it preaches big time on this
as it omits DOCTRINE so as to merge them to all be as one .
WHAT is this one world mindset that even an atheist can embrace .
PREACH A WORDLY VERSION OF LOVE . and the wordly WILL UNIFY AS ONE UNDER what it sees as LOVE .
THE DEVIL KNEW what he was doing . ALL religoins have something in common as well as an athiest
they believe in the idea that we ought to at least DO GOOD to one another , feed the poor etc .
What has divided humanity , DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES .
THUS it has to remove fundamental core values from all religoins , replacing it with speeches about love and doing good .
IT has to BREAK DOWN WALLS that divide us ,remove fundamental doctrine
IT has to build bridges , aka preach something that ALL CAN UNITE as one under . IT HAS DONE THIS
and continues to do so . And as time goes on the HATE AGAINST BIBLICAL DOCTRINE , THAT CHRIST
that GOD and HIS PEOPLE who conform not , INCREASES BIG TIME . we are truly running out of time .
FOR All OF this THE WRATH O GOD WILL SURELY COME and come it will against all who unified under the lie
and had pleasure in unrighteous denying the love of the truth and loving the lie instead . the lie of a love
that never came FROM GOD but rather of the dragon and of the world to unify them all as one under a lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

Hard to believe someone would do something like that.

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not really hard at all to believe someone would or could do something like that . Many preachers
often teach their own precepts , own agendas and for sure they twist and overlook many things written .
Till now we have the universal love that has come of the dragon and of the world to UNIFY as one a peoples
to make ready a world unto the beast .
AND beleive me THEY ,through a false version of love and of unity , OVERLOOK and DO TWIST A TON of scripture .
AND DO SO unto their own destruction . marvel not if men can be decieved for many are indeed .
marvel not if a wolf can wear wool , for many now do .
just a friendly reminder .

 

[amigo de christo]

And yet, that's exactly what they do!

Lots of folks have preconceived ideas and any bible verses that doesn't agree with their preconceived ideas must be discarded. They will either explain them away some how, blame the translators for getting it wrong, or just ignore them altogether.

People don't like their religious apple cart being turned over View attachment 39314

just be advised , dont sniff or eat of them apples cause them apples came from the south end of a north bound mule .
SNiff , sniff , touch not that doctrine .

 

[amigo de christo]

them green apples in their carts gonna cause a lot more damage than the green apple quick step ..............

 

[amigo de christo]

He would NOT have been living in you, IF you had rejected his grace.

For it is by grace through faith; his grace, our faith in believing he is whom he says he is.

God does not force, coerce, overwhelm, nor enter into a person making them to believe.
However, the evil spirit does, then lies to convince such of their righteousness, and blinds them to the truth of God's word.

It is sad.
I can image such a one being thrown from loved ones homes, desiring to participate in murder, rebelling even to the pulling out of their own hair in rage when told God's word or being told of the the need of his word for living in him !

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

If predestination or predeterminism were true, THEN GOD WOULD HAVE TO BE A LIAR.

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[amigo de christo]

He would NOT have been living in you, IF you had rejected his grace.

For it is by grace through faith; his grace, our faith in believing he is whom he says he is.

God does not force, coerce, overwhelm, nor enter into a person making them to believe.
However, the evil spirit does, then lies to convince such of their righteousness, and blinds them to the truth of God's word.

It is sad.
I can image such a one being thrown from loved ones homes, desiring to participate in murder, rebelling even to the pulling out of their own hair in rage when told God's word or being told of the the need of his word for living in him !

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

If predestination or predeterminism were true, THEN GOD WOULD HAVE TO BE A LIAR.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I don't recognize these ppl but being southern myself, she can sing.

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't recognize these ppl but being southern myself, she can sing.

Singing to the glorious LORD indeed .

 

[Ritajanice]

Faith is a gift from God, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit....without his Spirit we are none of his as his word says.

We are given Faith by God, via his Holy Spirit...Faith without the Spirit is mans faith...therefore void of any truth.

Romans 8:9-11

King James Version

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9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

◄ 1 Corinthians 12 ►

King James Bible Par ▾ Spiritual Gifts Bestowed 1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

 

[amigo de christo]

Faith is a gift from God, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit....without his Spirit we are none of his as his word says.

◄ 1 Corinthians 12 ►

King James Bible Par ▾ Spiritual Gifts Bestowed 1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't recognize these ppl but being southern myself, she can sing.

in the first song you can see how she sings a truth many within the inclusive koran and other path accepting sin accepting
seem not to know . THAT JESUS INDEED DOES SET US FREE FROM SOMETHING , THE OLD MAN and HIS SIN .
YOU see to many the jesus they follow has come to EMBRACE THEIR SIN , RAINBOW or etc . BUT THAT AINT JESUS at all.
JESUS does something OPPOSITE TO THAT . Giving us whole new desires that contradict the desires the old man once had in sin .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I don't recognize these ppl but being southern myself, she can sing.

Just goes to show, the Lord even loves them rednecks!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Just goes to show, the Lord even loves them rednecks! View attachment 39325

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YIPPEE KI YAY.

 

[Keiw]

Off topic, as noted.

There are basically two sides you can take in this discussion :

1) You are saved by grace through faith, and you do not work for salvation--you do good works because you are saved.

2) You are saved by grace through faith, and God expects you to walk in faith afterward; if, instead, you continue sinning, you will fall under God's wrath and not inherit what He promised.

These are roughly the two positions being argued--this other issue you are raising ("Christ's divinity : Yea or Nay?") doesn't fall within either side of what is being argued.

One does good works to build a strong living faith-Faith without works is dead.
Matt 10:22--Those who endure until their end( death or Armageddon)--will be saved.) See those words from Jesus--will be saved.

 

[GracePeace]

One does good works to build a strong living faith-Faith without works is dead.
Matt 10:22--Those who endure until their end( death or Armageddon)--will be saved.) See those words from Jesus--will be saved.

1. I believe the same--one must act as if what they say they believe is what they actually believe.
2. The Bible refers to past-tense salvation (eg, 1 Co 10; Ep 2), current ongoing salvation (eg, 2 Cor 2:15), and future tense salvation (Ro 5)--none of these nullifies the other, they're all true.

 

[amigo de christo]

Faith is a gift from God, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit....without his Spirit we are none of his as his word says.

We are given Faith by God, via his Holy Spirit...

◄ 1 Corinthians 12 ►

King James Bible Par ▾ Spiritual Gifts Bestowed 1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

It be LORD praising time in the building and round the planet .

 

[amigo de christo]

YIPPEE KI YAY.