Did Jesus raise hiself from the dead or did God yhe father raise him

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

keltzkroz

New Member
Dec 15, 2023
65
13
8
24
Boston
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Respect begets respect.

Disrespect begets disrespect.

You do good God rewards you with good.

You do evil God rewards you with evil.
 

keltzkroz

New Member
Dec 15, 2023
65
13
8
24
Boston
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Now that is hilarious! :jest:

Do you even know what that scripture is talking about?
Do you take all scripture at face value with no study at all?

Your avatar is young but I get the impression that you are ‘old school’ and very set in old perceptions because they suit your outdated and seemingly very hostile personality.....
I have a great suggestion for you. It always works for me. The next time you talk to God
tell him all about it and that you don't like the way I am. And you want Him to do something about it.
That is what I always do. Works for me.
 

Aunty Jane

Well-Known Member
Sep 16, 2021
7,022
3,863
113
Sydney
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Respect begets respect.

Disrespect begets disrespect.
I have a great suggestion for you. It always works for me. The next time you talk to God
tell him all about it and that you don't like the way I am. And you want Him to do something about it.
That is what I always do. Works for me.
You really are not here to discuss anything, are you. You are just here to judge others and promote your own view.
Your own disrespect is evident, so why bother?
I have no reason to reply any further as it will be a complete waste of time....

I have no need to ask God to do anything about you.....he will no doubt in his own time and way...in the meantime, I can do something about you....I will put you on “ignore”.
 

keltzkroz

New Member
Dec 15, 2023
65
13
8
24
Boston
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
You really are not here to discuss anything, are you. You are just here to judge others and promote your own view.
Your own disrespect is evident, so why bother?
I have no reason to reply any further as it will be a complete waste of time....

I have no need to ask God to do anything about you.....he will no doubt in his own time and way...in the meantime, I can do something about you....I will put you on “ignore”.
Please don't judge me too harshly.

joy:joy:joy:
 

PinSeeker

Well-Known Member
Oct 4, 2021
3,377
847
113
Nashville
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Um, did you ever consider that there is one God..
Yes. There is only one God. And He exists in three Persons. The three Persons of the triune Jehovah are each one with each other. Yes.

and there is one Mediator
Yes. This is the function of the second Person of the one God, the triune Jehovah, Who, again, is one. But yes, there is one Mediator between God and man.

A note on this "morphe" you mentioned...
Ah, yes, here it comes. I will mouth the words as you say them; I know the false narrative that well… :)

Vine’s Lexicon has under “form” “properly the nature or essence, not in the abstract, but as actually subsisting in the individual… it does not include in itself anything ‘accidental’ or separable, such as particular modes of manifestation.” Using lexicons like Vine’s, Trinitarians boldly make the case that the “nature” underlying Jesus’ human body was God. Trinitarian scholars like Vine contrast morphē, which they assert refers to an “inner essential nature” with schema, (in Phil. 2:8, and translated “fashion”) which they assert refers to the outward appearance. We admit that there are many Trinitarian scholars who have written lexical entries or articles on the Greek word morphē and concluded that Christ must be God. A Trinitarian wanting to prove his point can quote from a number of them. However, we assert that these definitions are biased and erroneous. In addition, we could not find any non-Trinitarian scholars who agreed with the conclusion of the Trinitarian scholars, while many Trinitarian sources agree that morphē refers to the outward appearance and not an inner nature.
…”and not an inner nature.” :)

It is what it is ~ He is who/what He is, no matter who it is denying it, Peterlag. The verbal gymnastics are… interesting, though. :)

Grace and peace to you,
 

Peterlag

Well-Known Member
Jul 20, 2022
3,325
964
113
New York
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yes. There is only one God. And He exists in three Persons. The three Persons of the triune Jehovah are each one with each other. Yes.


Yes. This is the function of the second Person of the one God, the triune Jehovah, Who, again, is one. But yes, there is one Mediator between God and man.


Ah, yes, here it comes. I will mouth the words as you say them; I know the false narrative that well… :)


…”and not an inner nature.” :)

It is what it is ~ He is who/what He is, no matter who it is denying it, Peterlag. The verbal gymnastics are… interesting, though. :)

Grace and peace to you,
I wonder what it will be like when folks meet the Lord. That is if all make it on here who are so quick to tell me I'm wrong. Will it be like oh my God, I was so sure I was right... yeah we all were, but Peterlag was right all a long. Or will it be like who cares now that we are all here.
 

Aunty Jane

Well-Known Member
Sep 16, 2021
7,022
3,863
113
Sydney
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
I wonder what it will be like when folks meet the Lord. That is if all make it on here who are so quick to tell me I'm wrong. Will it be like oh my God, I was so sure I was right... yeah we all were, but Peterlag was right all a long. Or will it be like who cares now that we are all here.
Perhaps Matthew 7:21-23 will answer that question.....

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’”

Some are so sure that what they believe is true....and yet Jesus will reject “many” on the day of judgment as those the “NEVER KNEW”.......won’t it be interesting to see who is accepted as his own, and who are not.

Whose laws are these ones breaking? Could it be the first Commandment?.....putting another “god” in the Father’s place?