Why Civilization Should Defend Zionism

[Wrangler]

I am not against the Jews at all

Then you whole heartedly favor Zionism. For some reason, I was confused by that.

 

[Wrangler]

I do not see you dear Wrangler promoting and standing against anyone who promotes Anti-Christ actions in fact but are only championing a Political Correct Anti-Semite opinion ?

Because not all threads have all things as the subject. Stay focused on the OP, my friend.

 

[Wrangler]

If one came out with an Anti-Jewish opinion, call it out for what it is in fact, that way people can understand the issue directed about such, but saying Anti-Semite is so blunt and to wide to be taken seriously by anyone but for shallow dupes, as such does nothing to help the Jewish people at all truly but sadly makes a joke out of such in fact.

Now you are just doubling down in ignoring post # 156.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Nilus claimed to have received the Protocols from Alexis Sukhotin in 1901 and that Sukhotin had obtained the text from an "unknown" woman. The fact is, we don't know who authored the Procols or for what purpose. There is no clear, verifiable source that confirms the validity of the Protocols. Although the primary source is believed to be the earlier French satirical work titled "Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu," written by Maurice Joly in 1864.



I've heard this before, but there is a problem with it. The Star of David first appeared as a Jewish symbol in the late medieval period, but it actually goes back further. It was found on ancient artifacts known as Messianc seals around the 3rd century and earlier. The Star of David is a combination of the base of the menorah (early Judaism symbol) with the trail of a fish (early Christian symbol). Therefore, the Star of David really represents the Jewish roots of Christianity. Look it up for yourself.




I looked up the Gadna and it literally lasts only a few days to a few weeks and doesn't provide full military training but is more of an introduction to the military. It's hardly equivalent to Hitler's youth. And I fail to see how it is different from what other countries do, such as the JROTC in the United States. Might I suggest that the reason the boys are required to serve 3 years and 2 years for the girls is because they are a tiny country and need a large enough standing army to defend themselves if attacked? Israel is painted as the aggressor here, yet they are the ones always being attacked, the most recent being last October.




That's a stretch. The word "Ashkenazi" is derived from the Hebrew term "Ashkenaz" (אַשְׁכְּנַז), which is mentioned in the Bible in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10:3 and 1 Chronicles 1:6). After Israel became a nation, they actively hunted down Nazis and Nazi collaborators who had fled Europe, so this assertion makes no sense.




The problem is that Koestler was an author, not a geneticist. When The Thirteenth Tribe was written in 1976, DNA had not even been sequenced. The DNA studies that have been done to date do not support the Khazaria "theory." DNA evidence shows that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry from a combination of sources tracing to both Europe and the Middle East, not the Caucasus region. Most likely, Jewish men who migrated from the Middle East and married European women who converted to Judaism.

Who are the Jews Christ spoke of in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9?

 

[Truthnightmare]

Nilus claimed to have received the Protocols from Alexis Sukhotin in 1901 and that Sukhotin had obtained the text from an "unknown" woman. The fact is, we don't know who authored the Procols or for what purpose. There is no clear, verifiable source that confirms the validity of the Protocols. Although the primary source is believed to be the earlier French satirical work titled "Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu," written by Maurice Joly in 1864.



I've heard this before, but there is a problem with it. The Star of David first appeared as a Jewish symbol in the late medieval period, but it actually goes back further. It was found on ancient artifacts known as Messianc seals around the 3rd century and earlier. The Star of David is a combination of the base of the menorah (early Judaism symbol) with the trail of a fish (early Christian symbol). Therefore, the Star of David really represents the Jewish roots of Christianity. Look it up for yourself.




I looked up the Gadna and it literally lasts only a few days to a few weeks and doesn't provide full military training but is more of an introduction to the military. It's hardly equivalent to Hitler's youth. And I fail to see how it is different from what other countries do, such as the JROTC in the United States. Might I suggest that the reason the boys are required to serve 3 years and 2 years for the girls is because they are a tiny country and need a large enough standing army to defend themselves if attacked? Israel is painted as the aggressor here, yet they are the ones always being attacked, the most recent being last October.




That's a stretch. The word "Ashkenazi" is derived from the Hebrew term "Ashkenaz" (אַשְׁכְּנַז), which is mentioned in the Bible in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10:3 and 1 Chronicles 1:6). After Israel became a nation, they actively hunted down Nazis and Nazi collaborators who had fled Europe, so this assertion makes no sense.




The problem is that Koestler was an author, not a geneticist. When The Thirteenth Tribe was written in 1976, DNA had not even been sequenced. The DNA studies that have been done to date do not support the Khazaria "theory." DNA evidence shows that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry from a combination of sources tracing to both Europe and the Middle East, not the Caucasus region. Most likely, Jewish men who migrated from the Middle East and married European women who converted to Judaism.

the Five-Pointed Star antedates (precedes) the Six Pointed Star as a symbol of Judaism. The 5 pointed one is called the Seal of Solomon. The 6 pointed one is called the Mogen David, though the term Mogen David has come to be variously used to (inaccurately) denote either.


Regarding the little-known 5-Point Jewish Star:

"The Magen David (shield of David) is a six-pointed star which has come to symbolize Judaism and the Jewish people. Despite its name, the association of the six-pointed star with the Jewish people is relatively recent. The first known connection was in 1354 when Emperor Charles IV of Czechoslovakia permitted the Jewish community to create its own flag. They employed two gold six-pointed star on their banner and used it to welcome the king to the city of Prague, in addition to two red pentacles (five-pointed stars, known as Solomon's Seal)." ― Source: http://scheinerman.net/judaism/rituals/star.html

The Judaic stamp of ownership of the U.S. and Russia
The original "Jewish Star" shown in the design of our own (U.S.) Pentagon Building:

Five-pointed star forming a hidden Pentagram​
Pentagon building, aerial (AP)​

Putting this to the side for a moment, you will have to show, Jewish roots of Christianity.

 

[Jericho]

Who are the Jews Christ spoke of in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9?

If I had to guess, it refers to a specific group of Jews who opposed the early Christians. Who do you think they are?

Putting this to the side for a moment, you will have to show, Jewish roots of Christianity.

That should be self-evident, is it not?

 

[Truthnightmare]

If I had to guess, it refers to a specific group of Jews who opposed the early Christians. Who do you think they are?



That should be self-evident, is it not?

As I previously presented….
During His lifetime here on earth in His flesh and blood body, no Israelites. even those from the tribe of Judah (which Jesus was), were described as "Jews". That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars. In neither of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew", just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in all the recorded history that there is a record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.

Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers".

We know that Saul was the first king of Israel and that John was the first man called Baptist but who was the first jew? Neither Adam, Seth or Noah are called jew. Nor were Abraham Isaac or Jacob. Moses was not called a jew and neither were Saul, David or Solomon called jew. In fact you cannot find the word jew in the first eleven books of the Bible.

By the time of Jesus the word Edom or Edomite had been translated by Greek and Latin into ae-Ioudaios-Iudaeusalso including in this meaning were the terms Judea-Judean or person living in Judea. The original King James version of the Bible 1611 translated Idumaean - Judean into Iewes. It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word jew appeared (after the year 1900 ). The word jew does not mean Israel or Israelite! We must therefore conclude that the first jews were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain according to the Bible that Khazar jews are not Israel. [From the Christian Guard Dispatch 76-77]

Let’s take it a step further…

The Jews were expelled from country after country, over and over again, for four main reasons; and not one of them is so-called AntiSemitism, as the Jews claim. The four main reasons for the 108 Jewish expulsions from other nations are as follows:

1). Their old (?!) custom of killing a Christian child to use his/her blood in their cakes (Haman's Ears) that they make on their holidays of Purim and Passover (this is referred to defensively by the Jews as the "Blood libel"
2). Their blasphemies against Jesus Christ and His mother Mary. (Too numerous to list―Jesus in hell boiling in hot semen, Mother Mary a whore, Jesus conceived in a state of Niddah [uncleanness―i.e., when Mary was menstruating, and after being impregnated by a Roman soldier in a brothel], etc. ad nauseam).
3). When their Talmud was translated into the native tongue and Christians (and others) read the vileness within it's covers. (condones pedophilia, Necrophilia [sex with the dead], child-sacrifice [Moloch], homosexuality, demon worship, etc. ad nauseam).
4). Their oppressive usury fees (money lent on interest), often escalating to 200%-400% interest when unchecked.​

You cannot align Judaism as positive to Christianity nor more than you can put old wine into new wine skins.

Once again who were the fake Jews, Jesus was speaking of in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9

Was it the Ashkenazi? Perhaps it was the falashi Jews of Ethiopia, was it the converts like Marilyn Monroe and so many celebrities…

You cannot label them because you don’t know them, because the mystery of the figs has been hidden from you.

Good and Bad Figs

1The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon. 2One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad. 3Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.

 

[Wrangler]

During His lifetime here on earth in His flesh and blood body, no Israelites. even those from the tribe of Judah (which Jesus was), were described as "Jews"

Never read the Gospel of John huh?

John 4:22
Complete Jewish Bible
22 You people don’t know what you are worshipping; we worship what we do know, because salvation comes from the Jews.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Never read the Gospel of John huh?

Can you read period!
By the time of Jesus the word Edom or Edomite had been translated by Greek and Latin into ae-Ioudaios-Iudaeusalso including in this meaning were the terms Judea-Judean or person living in Judea. The original King James version of the Bible 1611 translated Idumaean - Judean into Iewes. It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word jew appeared (after the year 1900 ). The word jew does not mean Israel or Israelite! We must therefore conclude that the first jews were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain according to the Bible that Khazar jews are not Israel. [From the Christian Guard Dispatch 76-77]

The conversation is clearly over your head, I like to read what everyone is writing, that is why you are unblocked. But why keep engaging with me, I am not interested in speaking with you. Plenty of other members you can speak with. You're getting creepy bro!

 

[Wrangler]

It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word jew appeared (after the year 1900 ). T

So,the proper translation of John 4:22 into modern language is irrelevant to your argument?!

 

[Wrangler]

The Jews were expelled from country after country, over and over again, for four main reasons; and not one of them is so-called AntiSemitism

Obviusly, you need to update your concept of what is included with the term AntiSemitism for these 4 main reasons.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Obviusly, you need to update your concept of what is included with the term AntiSemitism for these 4 main reasons.

Creepy…. Do you bother women like this when they want nothing to do with you?

 

[Truthnightmare]

So,the proper translation of John 4:22 into modern language is irrelevant to your argument?!

Creepy!

 

[Wrangler]

Creepy…. Do you bother women like this when they want nothing to do with you?

When you resort to personal attack, you've lost the argument.

Odd that you want nothing to do with a thread I started that you keep posting to. Odd indeed. But not surprising from someone who cannot touch the reasons civlization should support Zion.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Since it is what you say, you should care.

Fact is that Nazis and Communist are Slaves to a Political Correct system in fact and once one has a handle on the fact of this, then you would understand that i do not give a rats what such people say, why. well it's because i know such is truly all just rubbish in fact, so i dismiss their intent, because i know were they are coming from. I reject such ! I understand it ! that's why i reject such as rubbish in fact. so i do not buy into it with such fools in fact.
I have to cancel them out ! or that part i do not partake in with such ? I will not be yoked with them lot for they are of this world that id full of delusions and deceptions in fact. I am not letting such as them Satanist dominate over me, so i call them out on their deranged nonsense, as i understand were they are coming from and know that they are sowing the seeds for their own destruction, not that they may understand that, nor would they think past their shallowness for they can not see past their own nose in fact. for they are slaves to this world, dupes ! the blind leading the blind !

 

[Truthnightmare]

When you resort to personal attack, you've lost the argument.

Odd that you want nothing to do with a thread I started that you keep posting to. Odd indeed. But not surprising from someone who cannot touch the reasons civlization should support Zion.

Finding you creepy is not a personal attack.. you have bad energy.



A declaration to take land that does not belong to a people…


No, I will not support Lord Rothschild, nor the Zionist federation. That’s my choice. You are trolling your own thread. You can’t keep up now you scream personal attacks…. When people don’t want to talk with you, just let them be. Making me have to block you to get you to stop sending me stuff is weird.

 

[Jericho]

As I previously presented….
During His lifetime here on earth in His flesh and blood body, no Israelites. even those from the tribe of Judah (which Jesus was), were described as "Jews". That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars. In neither of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew", just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

You seem to be making some linguistic argument that Jesus wasn’t a Jew because the word “Jew” isn’t in the manuscripts. Well, neither is the name "Jesus,” for that matter. Jew (English) = juif (French) = Iudaeus (Latin) = Ioudaios (Greek). Ioudaios refers to a person from Judah. Jesus was a Jew because he was from the tribe of Judah; it’s really that simple.

When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars.

I’ve already addressed this. DNA studies have not supported the Khazarian theory. You’re free to prove me wrong based on what the actual evidence says if you'd like.

We know that Saul was the first king of Israel and that John was the first man called Baptist but who was the first jew? Neither Adam, Seth or Noah are called jew. Nor were Abraham Isaac or Jacob. Moses was not called a jew and neither were Saul, David or Solomon called jew. In fact you cannot find the word jew in the first eleven books of the Bible.

Well, let’s see, Adam, Seth, and Noah were all gentiles, so of course they were not Jews. The Patriarchs could be considered Israelites, but not Jews. In strictest terms, a Jew is a descendant of the tribe of Judah, although it has broadened in use over the years. You seem to be caught up on the English word "Jew," even though it’s in the English Bible.

Have you considered that your views on Jews\Israel aligns perfectly with Islamic terrorists, Nazis, and the God-less left? That should tell you something. Jesus said to love your enemies, do good to those who hate you. I’ve seen a lot of vitriol towards Jews from those who claim to be Christian, but I haven't seen that Christ-like love from them.

 

[Truthnightmare]

You seem to be making some linguistic argument that Jesus wasn’t a Jew because the word “Jew” isn’t in the manuscripts. Well, neither is the name "Jesus,” for that matter. Jew (English) = juif (French) = Iudaeus (Latin) = Ioudaios (Greek). Ioudaios refers to a person from Judah. Jesus was a Jew because he was from the tribe of Judah; it’s really that simple.



I’ve already addressed this. DNA studies have not supported the Khazarian theory. You’re free to prove me wrong based on what the actual evidence says if you'd like.



Well, let’s see, Adam, Seth, and Noah were all gentiles, so of course they were not Jews. The Patriarchs could be considered Israelites, but not Jews. In strictest terms, a Jew is a descendant of the tribe of Judah, although it has broadened in use over the years. You seem to be caught up on the English word "Jew," even though it’s in the English Bible.

Have you considered that your views on Jews\Israel aligns perfectly with Islamic terrorists, Nazis, and the God-less left? That should tell you something. Jesus said to love your enemies, do good to those who hate you. I’ve seen a lot of vitriol towards Jews from those who claim to be Christian, but I haven't seen that Christ-like love from them.

My argument is simple, you don’t know who true Israel is thus you don’t know who the house of Judah is.

For example…

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

So the Jews speaking to Jesus have now claimed they have never been in bondage. That means they were not in Egypt, and they are not of Jacob…

This is not some linguistic endeavor, this is merely eyes to see, and with that, believe what you will. I’m often amazed at people with your level of intelligence, but yet cannot see.

You just can’t put it together can you? The generation of the fig tree, the good and bad figs of Jeremiah… Why Christ cursed the fig tree, why Adam and Eve covered their private areas after their sin with fig leaves.

Peace to you Jericho.

 

[Wrangler]

Finding you creepy is not a personal attack

Yea, OK.

 

[Wrangler]

A declaration to take land that does not belong to a people…

It did belong to the British via the Right of Conquest.