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Ziggy

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So here is MSNBC's spin on Trump and Autocracy.
It makes my ears burn, but ima listen anyways. And see if Trump has said anything out of his own mouth concerning what they claim. And if he said something, in what context was it said, and is there proof of him saying it..
let's go..
And remember, heresay doesn't count. It's not what someone else said Trump said..
 

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There is a whole lot more than ballot stuffing going on round this world .
They stuffing the peoples full of all kinds of what they call dressing and giblets .
ONLY the people do not realize , Dont you stuff a turkey full of all kinds of goodies
RIGHT BEFORE YA THROW it into the oven to COOK that thing . THIS WORLD is being FED
Gravy and giblets , being filled up , fattened up with lies , stuffed plumb full .
But had the turkeys only known , it might not have ate from that plate and been fattened up
TO BE LED TO THE OVEN . Folks got no idea what is going on , so allow me some parting words .
Through christendom and sie united religoins , news, education , and etc
they are feeding the masses what OL AIMGO calleth mushroom theology .
and how does a mushroom thrive and grow best you might ask
KEEP IT IN THE DARK AND FEED IT LOTS OF BULL .
 
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He has not lied . He did what he said he would . the problem is , however , while he did speak against
the political idealogies of the UN , the one world govt
HE sure seemed to do its agenda concering to help UNIFY THE RELIGOINS AS ONE . that is where FOLKS are getting duped .
GOOD cop , bad cop . But it seems they all do the will of the agenda in one way or another . We are being decieved ziggy .
BUT i have not seen TRUMP lie . I have seen the media make LIES about HIM .
BE on gaurd . be on gaurd . the goal of the Agenda IS to have the religions all find common ground
THAT be A FACT ziggy and trump is for sure a PART OF THAT . FOR SURE and FOR CERTAIN .
the document that man signed in , the religoius tolerance act . that so many just loved and embraced .
MAY as well been written by the POPE HISELF . they duping us ziggy . THEY using the emotions and fears of men
to attain the very goal of the agenda . and many DO FEAR persecutions
and they will run to anyone that can offer them THE EASY LIFE . AND THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE , that is HOW one will be decieved .
I will look up what this document is The Religious Tolerance Act and see what it says.
But remember, this IS America and the First amendment allows freedom of religion for all.
If this document says we shall all be ruled by the tolerance of a particular religion, then we got problems.
But if each citizen is allowed their freedom to have their religion and to worship or not worship how they see fit, (as long as it does not cause harm to other citizens) then it is a protected right under the constitution.
It may not be God's law, but it is the Law of the land.
I will find it and read it.
Thank you for sharing my friend.
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There is a whole lot more than ballot stuffing going on round this world .
They stuffing the peoples full of all kinds of what they call dressing and giblets .
ONLY the people do not realize , Dont you stuff a turkey full of all kinds of goodies
RIGHT BEFORE YA THROW it into the oven to COOK that thing . THIS WORLD is being FED
Gravy and giblets , being filled up , fattened up with lies , stuffed plumb full .
But had the turkeys only known , it might not have ate from that plate and been fattened up
TO BE LED TO THE OVEN . Folks got no idea what is going on , so allow me some parting words .
Through christendom and sie united religoins , news, education , and etc
they are feeding the masses what OL AIMGO calleth mushroom theology .
and how does a mushroom thrive and grow best you might ask
KEEP IT IN THE DARK AND FEED IT LOTS OF BULL .
Your preaching to the choir friend..
:D
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I get it, but to be unbiased and fair....
Every one has a place, if Trump said it, would mean everyone should be accepted and find their place in society, in America.


But yes Hillary has a way of preparing "places" for people that oppose her.

I get it.
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Got your point.

And the fact is “according to the LAW” NOT “everyone” IN America HAS a “Lawful” PLACE IN America…

Look at OBAMA…
He had a lawful right to be sent to live with his American grandparents….Parents of his American mother.

He DID NOT Have a Legal RIGHT to sit in the American People’s Presidential Office or Home.

Obama touting himself as a qualified and hired professional Lecturer on the topic of the US Constitution…clearly reveals…
** He is utterly IGNORANT of the US Constitution
OR
** He is utterly a CONNIVING LIAR.

* He NEVER WAS, nor could He EVER BE a LAWFULLY seated President of the United States of America.

* DITTO for Harris.

* Does it NOT sound an ALARM in the EARS of the American People….WHEN long seated politicians ADVOCATE and SUPPORT ineligible people to sit in the People’s highest office of “THEIR” Nation?

Astounding!
 

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So here is MSNBC's spin on Trump and Autocracy.
It makes my ears burn, but ima listen anyways. And see if Trump has said anything out of his own mouth concerning what they claim. And if he said something, in what context was it said, and is there proof of him saying it..
let's go..
And remember, heresay doesn't count. It's not what someone else said Trump said..
To alter the balance of power by increasing the Presidents authority...
Remeber this is a "concept" of the NYT. So this is their opinion.
Let's go find the facts...

NPR:

Trump allies craft plans to give him unprecedented power if he wins the White House​

DECEMBER 6, 20231:10 PM ET

ok, so this is the actual accusation in this article:

Vought is now helping to lead a team drafting plans that would curtail the independence of some federal agencies and end government protections for tens of thousands of federal employees — whom Trump calls the deep state — so that those employees could be replaced with partisan loyalists.

A key part of this effort revolves around reinstituting an executive order known as Schedule F, which would reclassify a large chunk of those federal staff members as at-will employees.

And that is raising concerns about authoritarianism.

So, reinstitute an executive order known as Schedule F, to reclassify federal staff members as at-will employees.

Ok so if I work for the government as a federal employee that might scare me, because that means my position could be challenged for any reason. Like the difference between being a leased tenant to an apartment and a tenant at will.

In most cases this is good, it protects both tenant and homeowner from a lot of things.
On the other hand it can cause more legal woes to both sides.
I owned a 3 family house in Boston. I been on bothe sides of that argument. Tenant by lease and tenant at will.

So is this saying, at this time a federal government job is that of say a union worker, whereas a staff member at will is subject to the boss of that staff member?

In order to reinstate this executive order, does that mean at this time, let's say Jeffries can not fire one of his staff members.
Now these are just Federal Staff members.
Who are they and what do they do? Should they be permanent from one administration to the next?

Anybody?
 

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Ooooh ya…..insects and bugs are their answer….uh for the people at large…not them!
I'm more interested in how God is going to respond to them pushing people to stop eating meat. Can't imagine it will go over well with him. I'm envisioning another plague somehow.
 
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Got your point.

And the fact is “according to the LAW” NOT “everyone” IN America HAS a “Lawful” PLACE IN America…

Look at OBAMA…
He had a lawful right to be sent to live with his American grandparents….Parents of his American mother.

He DID NOT Have a Legal RIGHT to sit in the American People’s Presidential Office or Home.

Obama touting himself as a qualified and hired professional Lecturer on the topic of the US Constitution…clearly reveals…
** He is utterly IGNORANT of the US Constitution
OR
** He is utterly a CONNIVING LIAR.

* He NEVER WAS, nor could He EVER BE a LAWFULLY seated President of the United States of America.

* DITTO for Harris.

* Does it NOT sound an ALARM in the EARS of the American People….WHEN long seated politicians ADVOCATE and SUPPORT ineligible people to sit in the People’s highest office of “THEIR” Nation?

Astounding!
Only if Putin did it :p
 
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Schedule F was never fully implemented and was removed when the Biden Administration came in.
Here are the characteristics of this scary autocracy claim.
Let's examine it together:

btw... this IS what anons do... just sayin..

The legal basis for the Schedule F appointment was a section of the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 (5 U.S.C. § 7511(b)(2)), which exempts from civil service protections federal employees "whose position has been determined to be of a confidential, policy-determining, policy-making or policy-advocating character". The provision had been little noticed and unused before its application by the Schedule F order.[1]

The stated purpose of the order was to increase flexibility in hiring and firing to improve performance management[2] and accountability.[3] The Civil Service Rules and Regulations would not have covered employees within the Schedule F classification,[2] including due process and possibly collective bargaining rights.[3] However, appointees could not have been fired based on certain protected statuses, such as whistleblower status, partisan affiliation, or for claiming discrimination or harassment.[3][4] It would also have streamlined hiring for these positions, since a competitive examination would not be required.[5]: 2 

The Executive Order also provided transition procedures for transferring covered positions out of the competitive service into Schedule F, by which executive agency heads must petition the Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) with a list of positions to be converted with a written rationale. The OPM Director had the sole power to decide whether to grant the petition.[2][6][7]

The Schedule F classification included "positions of a confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating character not normally subject to change as a result of a Presidential transition".[2] They are distinguished from Schedule C appointments, which cover policy-making positions that do change with the Presidential transition.[5]: 5–6  The Executive Order listed several characteristics of jobs that may fall under the Schedule F classification:[2]

  • substantive participation in advocacy, development, or formulation of policy, especially of regulations and guidance
  • substantive policy-related work in an agency or component that primarily focuses on policy
  • the supervision of attorneys
  • substantial discretion to determine how the agency exercises functions committed to it by law
  • working with non-public policy proposals or deliberations generally covered by deliberative process privilege, and either:
    • directly reporting to or regularly working with an individual appointed by either the President, or by an agency head paid at the GS-13 level or higher, or
    • working in the executive secretariat of the agency or component
  • conducting certain collective bargaining negotiations on the agency's behalf
According to OPM, these provisions were guidelines, as not all positions covered by them were required to be converted to Schedule F, and positions not covered by them may have been converted.[3][8] The provisions were broad enough to include many scientists, attorneys, regulators, public health experts, and others in senior roles. The estimated number of employees they covered ranged from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands.[3]

Please Note:

The Executive Order also provided transition procedures for transferring covered positions out of the competitive service into Schedule F, by which executive agency heads must petition the Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) with a list of positions to be converted with a written rationale. The OPM Director had the sole power to decide whether to grant the petition.[2][6][7]

This is not a dictatorship. Trump would not be the one making the decisions of who stays and who goes but would be in the power of the OPM Director.

Also: where was this originated:

The legal basis for the Schedule F appointment was a section of the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 (5 U.S.C. § 7511(b)(2)), which exempts from civil service protections federal employees "whose position has been determined to be of a confidential, policy-determining, policy-making or policy-advocating character".

Let's look at this Civil Service Reform Act of 1978....

Edited to add link.
 
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The Civil Service Reform Act of 1978, (October 13, 1978, Pub.L. 95–454, 92 Stat. 1111) (CSRA), reformed the civil service of the United States federal government, partly in response to the Watergate scandal. The Act abolished the U.S. Civil Service Commission and distributed its functions primarily among three new agencies: the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB), and the Federal Labor Relations Authority (FLRA).


The original legislation allowing federal employees to organize together and protect rights was the Lloyd–La Follette Act in 1912. However this act only allowed for employees to unionize together and petition the government, but gave them no real bargaining power. The Act was amended by both President Kennedy (Executive Order 10988) and President Nixon (Executive Order 11491), but neither executive orders truly fixed the problems with the original act. By the time President Carter took office in 1977, the Lloyd-LaFollette Act was perceived as entirely obsolete and forced the necessity of legislative reform.[1] With the American public wary of the organization of government following Watergate and the OPEC embargo, President Carter's time in office coincided with a period in which bureaucratic organization was open to "reexamination". Carter ran his campaign promising to "strengthen presidential control over federal services", and once in office created the CSRA. Carter intended for the act to create more bureaucratic officials involved with policy making (rather than administration) and that were more closely politically controlled by the presidency.[2] The CSRA arose from a growing wariness of the United States Government by the general American population. Preceding the Act in 1978 was nearly a decade of major blunders committed by the White House. In short, the federal government had "widely over-promised and woefully underperformed". Incidents like the Watergate scandal coupled with the consensus public opinion of the Vietnam War being a complete failure led the push for reform.[3] The CSRA sought to fix common problems across the public sector such as eliminating manipulation of the merit system without inhibiting the entire structure, how to both invest authority in managers while simultaneously protecting employee from said authority, limit unnecessary or excessive spending, and make the federal work force mirror the American people more closely.[4]

So this Schedule F isn't something Trump just made up to "be a dictator" .
It began with Kennedy, and Nixon, then Carter.


Let's discuss this Schedule F. Good, bad? Right, wrong?
What are your thoughts on it and how would you vote on it?

THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE

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I'm more interested in how God is going to respond to them pushing people to stop eating meat. Can't imagine it will go over well with him. I'm envisioning another plague somehow.

God Hears and Responds to those who have a Relationship with Him.
That communication is called PRAYER and IMO is the best method for those IN Christ to do regularly….Long Before the politicians spring another “supposed” crisis upon them.
 

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Now, let's go back and hear that MSNBC report again.


I've only covered the first 2 minutes and 50 seconds of it.
 

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at the 5 min 12 second marker....
Trump is telling you "if you elect me, my intention is to establish a Presidential Dictatorship" .

Ok let's see if we can find that quote..

Wow this is a great article.. but I can't find the quote yet...
check this out:

In Context: Donald Trump was asked if he will be a dictator if reelected. Here’s what he said.
By Amy ShermanDecember 7, 2023

During a recent town hall, Fox News’ Sean Hannity gave former President Donald Trump the chance to rebut the idea — floated by some Republicans — that if reelected, he would be a dictator.
Instead of a straightforward denial, Trump said he would be a dictator only on "Day 1" of his tenure.
Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who also is seeking the GOP nomination, has accused Trump of wanting to rule as a dictator. And former Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, a Republican and frequent Trump critic, told CBS during a Dec. 1 interview that Trump "told us what he will do. It's very easy to see the steps that he will take. … One of the things that we see happening today is a sort of a sleepwalking into dictatorship in the United States."
Trump discussed the accusations in a Dec. 5 Iowa town hall with Hannity. Here, we look at the former president and current GOP front-runner’s remarks in context.
During the town hall, Hannity tried twice to ask Trump if he would act as a dictator.
First, Hannity said that the media wants to call Trump a dictator, noting that Trump has used the words, "I am your retribution." Then Hannity asked: "To be clear, do you in any way, have any plans whatsoever, if reelected president, to abuse power, to break the law, to use the government to go after people?"
Trump did not directly answer, and instead brought up the four indictments against him, which he called "nonsense" and "made-up charges."
Later, Hannity raised the topic again:
Hannity: "I want to go back to this one issue though because the media has been focused on this and attacking you. Under no circumstances you're promising America tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?"
Trump: "Except for Day 1."
Hannity: "Except for?"
Trump: (pointing to Hannity) "Look, he’s going crazy. Except for Day 1."
Hannity: "Meaning?"
Trump: "I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill."
Hannity
: "That’s not retribution."
Trump, referring to Hannity: "We love this guy. He says, ‘You are not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said, ‘No, no, no, other than Day 1.’ We are closing the border and we are drilling, drilling, drilling. After that I am not a dictator, OK?"
Hannity:
"That sounds to me like you’re going back to the policies when you were president."
The media has documented multiple examples of Trump’s plans for a second presidency and comments that sound authoritarian.
At a New Hampshire campaign event, he vowed to "root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections." We have debunked the notion that the 2020 election was stolen or rigged.
Trump has made several promises to fire local prosecutors; investigate Comcast, NBC and MSNBC for treason and remove them from the airwaves; and terminate the U.S. Constitution.
And in a Truth Social post, Trump implied that former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley should be executed for treason. Trump criticized Milley, a U.S. Army general, for calling his Chinese counterpart to reassure him after the Jan. 6, 2021, storming of the U.S. Capitol. Trump wrote on the social media platform that it was "an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH."

Wow...

So here is the origination of Trump claiming that "QUOTED" even...
If you elect me, my intention is to establish a Presidential Dictatorship.

WHERE DID HE SAY THAT??????


Did it come from Chris Christie? Did it come from Liz Cheney? Did it come from the MEDIA?


Hmmmmm....

lets keep going, I'm only at the 5 minute marker.

I would like to hear some comments.....
C'mon.. I know your out there.
 

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terminate the U.S. Constitution.
I just saw that.. o kayyy

Lets find out...
I found another one from Politifact lets see what they say:

Let's break this down, it may take a couple pages.
Are you with me still???

Did Donald Trump make these 27 campaign promises? Fact-checking this viral list

By Louis JacobsonOctober 26, 2023
By Samantha PuttermanOctober 26, 2023
By Amy ShermanOctober 26, 2023



A liberal group says former President Donald Trump has promised more than two dozen "insane" actions if he reclaims the White House, including rounding up all homeless people, pardoning Jan. 6 defendants and ending the war in Ukraine within 24 hours.

MeidasTouch Network, a liberal news website, shared an Oct. 21 Instagram reel that highlights its earlier article headlined, "27 Insane Things Trump Said He Will Do in a 2nd Term." The article was written by MeidasTouch’s editor-in-chief, Ron Filipkowski, a Florida-based former prosecutor and former Republican whose account on X has more than 825,000 followers.

MeidasTouch compiled the promises largely from 2023 video clips, including Trump campaign’s "Agenda 47" — a series of short clips that detail initiatives Trump plans to implement if he wins the presidency in 2024.

Many of Trump’s promises would face practical or legal challenges.

We analyzed the 27 items and found that Trump did say something close to what the article claimed, although in some cases MeidasTouch Network ignored nuances in Trump’s framing.

1. "Will arrest all homeless people across the country for ‘urban camping,’ round them up and then ‘relocate them’ to ‘tent cities’ where they can be ‘rehabilitated.’"


This is close to what Trump said, but it ignores some of his framing.

Trump said, "We’ll ban urban camping wherever possible." But he also said that relocation and rehabilitation would be optional for the people arrested. They would "be given the option to receive treatment and services if they’re willing to be rehabilitated," he said. Trump promised that the rehabilitation would come with the assistance of "doctors, psychiatrists, social workers and drug rehab specialists."

2. "Require every federal employee to take a new patriotism exam and they will be terminated if they refuse to take them or fail to pass."

This is essentially what Trump said.

In a video responding to federal investigations over retaining documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate and trying to overturn the 2020 election, Trump said, "I will require every federal employee to pass a new civil service test demonstrating an understanding of our constitutional-limited government. This will include command of due process rights, equal protection, free speech, religious liberty, federalism, the Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure — I know all about that at Mar-a-Lago, don’t I — and all other constitutional limits on federal power."

He didn’t say he would "terminate" or "fire" employees who fail the test or refuse to take it, but he said passing the test would be a requirement, so that would not be much of a leap.
 

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3. "Will build 10 new Trump ‘freedom cities’ around the country, which will be free of any government regulations."

MeidasTouch’s description is more expansive than Trump’s proposal. Trump proposed lifting regulations — presumably federal ones, which are the only ones he as president would have influence over — that pertain to manufacturing.

Trump said, "We will create an ultrastreamlined federal regulatory framework, specifically for ‘freedom cities,’ allowing them to be true frontiers for the return of U.S. manufacturing, the rebirth of economic opportunity, and safe and affordable living."

Regardless, George Mason University law professor Ilya Somin said, such cities "cannot be completely free of state regulation, as Congress cannot override all state regulations of every kind."

4. "He will appoint federal judges in the mold of Clarence Thomas."

This closely matches what Trump said in a video, although he said "adopt" rather than "appoint": "My administration will again adopt rock-solid constitutional conservatives to the federal bench, justices and judges, but in the mold of Antonin Scalia and Justice Clarence Thomas." Trump made similar comments about appointing judges aligned with Scalia and Thomas when he was in office.

5. "He will have (the Justice Department) subpoena local DAs and their staff and remove them from office if he determines that they are failing to do their job to his satisfaction."

This is close to what Trump said, except that he didn’t target all district attorneys.

In a campaign video titled "Firing the Radical Marxist Prosecutors Destroying America," Trump vowed to investigate what he called "Soros prosecutors" — a reference to district attorneys who benefited from campaign backing or funding linked to liberal billionaire George Soros. The video was published after Trump was indicted in a case involving hush money paid to adult film actor Stormy Daniels. Trump has accused the prosecutor in that case, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, of being tied to Soros. The Color of Change PAC, a racial justice group, received money from Soros, and the political action committee supported Bragg.

In the video, Trump promised to overhaul the Justice Department and FBI, and to "launch sweeping civil rights investigations into Marxist local District Attorneys," specifically citing those in Chicago, San Francisco and Los Angeles.

6. He will "fire staff and disband college accreditation boards since they ‘have become dominated by marxist maniacs and lunatics.’"

This reflects what Trump said. In a video that outlined his higher education policy goals, Trump promised to "reclaim" colleges and universities from the "radical left" by replacing college accreditation boards and imposing new standards.

These new standards, Trump said, would include "defending the American tradition and Western civilization"; removing diversity, equity and inclusion staff; protecting free speech; and requiring that colleges offer "accelerated and low-cost degrees." Trump said he would also implement college entrance and exit exams "to prove that students are actually learning."

Accreditors and other experts told Inside Higher Ed that Trump’s plan would interfere with the federal accountability system and long-standing principles in higher education and, since it would require congressional backing, stands little chance of being carried out.

7. "He will seize university endowments and also fine them millions of dollars if he determines the schools are Marxist and/or discriminating against white people."

In the same announcement, which he titled "Protecting Students from the Radical Left and Marxist Maniacs Infecting Educational Institutions," Trump vowed to direct the Justice Department to pursue federal civil rights cases against schools "that continue to engage in racial discrimination" and said he would advance a measure to fine schools that continue these policies up to the entire amount of their endowment.

University endowments are funds that colleges and universities receive from organizational and individual donors. Any attempt by the government to expropriate private funds would almost certainly tee up a major fight in court.
 

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As one who lives here, and has experienced the difference between our presidents, I pray to God daily to return President Trump to his office.

Much love!
Really? I can't believe any right thinking person would want that, let alone a Christian.
 
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