Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[Ziggy]

Is this the video?

 

[Marymog]

Personally, myself and the LORD Jesus Christ desires for you, @BreadOfLife, @Marymog to believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God.

That's a Good Thing and if you do, you will find the Heart of God.

Got it....Stop believing every word that proceeds from the mouth of David in NJ!

Dear DEAR David,

Can you not see how silly your above statement is? @BreadOfLife @Illuminator and I DO believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God! But when we tell you that what we believe is coming from the mouth of God, you tell us we are wrong. If we agree with YOU, we are right.

God said that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15).

God said that we are to take our differences to the church AFTER we have tried to settle them between us and if your brother refuses t listen to the church they are to be kicked out of the church (Matthew 18:17).

God said obey the elders of your church and submit to them (Hebrews 13:17).

God said that the Holy Spirit chose the elders of the church, and those elders are to take care of the flock (Acts 20:28).

That IS what the 'Heart of God' is saying. BOL Illuminator and I can say that we are in compliance with the Heart of God. WE found that Church that has elders that we are to obey and has the authority to excommunicate a person. Have you?

Here is what really happened David: You could not accept what your elders OR your parents were telling you so you ran from The Church. You ran because at the mature age of 21 YOU knew better than your parents and the elders at The Church. You THINK you know what God said to you but in reality, you rejected what God said. You told the elders of your church they were wrong. You told your parents they were wrong. You DON'T have a church you can go to so that we can settle this difference between us. We do. You don't have a Church that YOU recognize as the pillar and foundation of truth. We do. Why is that, David? Because YOU have decided that YOU are the pillar and foundation of truth and your parents and the elders at The Church they raised you in don't understand the Heart of God like YOU do.


And that my Christian brother is The Truth....

Mary

 

[Marymog]

How can I answer when you asked if I was going to shut up?

You are conflating two different conversations Rella. You asked for lies that EGW was telling. You said put up or shut up. I and @Illuminator listed the lies of EGW....I then used YOUR OWN WORDS and asked are you going to shut up (now that the lies of EGW have been listed).

THAT conversation has NOTHING to do with my question about Cottrell.....You are conflating the two without responding to EGW's exposed lies!!

 

[Marymog]

How can I answer when you asked if I was going to shut up?

You are conflating two different conversations. You asked for lies that EGW was telling. You said put up or shut up. I and @Illuminator listed the lies of EGW....I then used YOUR OWN WORDS and said are you going to shut up (now that the lies of EGW have been listed).

THAT conversation has NOTHING to do with my question about Cottrell.....

How can I answer when you asked if I was going to shut up?

In a nut shell

From Wiki:

Jack Cottrell (April 30, 1938 – September 16, 2022)[1][2] was a Christian theologian, philosopher and author in the Christian churches and churches of Christ. He was a professor of theology at Cincinnati Christian University from 1967 to 2015.[3] He authored many books on Christian philosophy, doctrine and theology.[4]

Jack Cottrell was born in Stamping Ground, Kentucky. Cottrell received a BA from Cincinnati Christian University in 1959 and also a BS from the University of Cincinnati.[5] He earned an M.Div. from Westminster Theological Seminary and a Ph.D. from Princeton Theological Seminary.[6] His book "BAPTISM: Zwingli or the Bible" is a "layman's" version of his doctoral thesis.

Cottrell married his wife Barbara in 1958.[7]

He was a professor of theology at Cincinnati Christian University from 1967 to 2015. Wikipedia

THROWBACK THURSDAY: Jack Cottrell’s Thoughts on Biblical Inerrancy (1982) - Christian Standard

Dr. Jack Cottrell, professor of theology at Cincinnati Christian University for 48 years, died Sept. 16, 2022. He was 84. In addition to writing 43 books, Dr. Cottrell also wrote numerous articles for Christian Standard. This one, titled "Inerrancy—Does It Really Matter?" was published nearly 40...

christianstandard.com

In addition to writing 43 books, Dr. Cottrell also wrote numerous articles for Christian Standard through the years.

INERRANCY—DOES IT REALLY MATTER? is an article from the link and due to size I would encourage you to read,​

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This was Jack Cottrell. A very learned man when it comes to the bible and all things Christian.

Ok Rella,...so Cottrell is a person whose writings you rely on when it comes to "the bible and all things Christian".

If Cottrell writes something different than what Clement, Ignatius or Polycarp wrote, would you still rely on him?

Also, I read Cottrell's 4 part series on "Inerrancy" and there is A LOT of information in there. What particularly did you want or hope I would pick up on? He wrote that, "the task of deciding which (bible passages) are true and which are false now falls upon each one of us, individually."

Is that the key phrase/belief/teaching of Cottrell you wanted me to get out of that 4 part series?

Curious Mary

 

[BreadOfLife]

Personally, myself and the LORD Jesus Christ desires for you, @BreadOfLife, @Marymog to believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God.

That's a Good Thing and if you do, you will find the Heart of God.

This, coming from a guy who rejects a full SEVEN Books of the OT, along with portions of Esther and Daniel - and believes in invented man-made 16th century doctrines like Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide.

Good job . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife and @Illuminator

You guys are hilarious with you unknowing!

Another cowardly non-response

Why don’t you try to actually ADDRESS the points made by @Illuminator and myself about the Deuterocanonical Books referenced in the NT some 200 times.

Care to give it a shot?
Also - can you tell me WHY you and millions of other Protestants reject the Deuterocanonical Books?

Take your time . . .

 

[Robert Pate]

Is this the video?

Yes, that is the video. How did you find it?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Is this the video?

Yes, that is the video. How did you find it?

This was already DEBUNKED in another thread: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/catholic-preist-sings-song-about-lucifer.57390/post-1643834

You should be MORE worried about what is going to happen to ALL LIARS.
Here is what the Word of God says . . .
Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Good luck with that . . .

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

You are conflating two different conversations. You asked for lies that EGW was telling. You said put up or shut up. I and @Illuminator listed the lies of EGW....I then used YOUR OWN WORDS and said are you going to shut up (now that the lies of EGW have been listed).

THAT conversation has NOTHING to do with my question about Cottrell.....

Ok Rella,...so Cottrell is a person whose writings you rely on when it comes to "the bible and all things Christian".

If Cottrell writes something different than what Clement, Ignatius or Polycarp wrote, would you still rely on him?

Also, I read Cottrell's 4 part series on "Inerrancy" and there is A LOT of information in there. What particularly did you want or hope I would pick up on? He wrote that, "the task of deciding which (bible passages) are true and which are false now falls upon each one of us, individually."

Is that the key phrase/belief/teaching of Cottrell you wanted me to get out of that 4 part series?

Curious Mary

Only conflating IF that is your perception.

You said. "Which lies of EGW do you call psychotic anti-Catholic nonsense? Put up or shut up."

So I was being obediently quiet. Therefore I was not going to respond to what you perceive are the lies of EGW.

In Reply # 1114 you listed

Identification of the pope as Antichrist.
You might be surprised to know there are many non SDA (or EGW supporters) who do believe this.


The papal system represented “the apostasy of the latter times.”
Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from, abandonment of, or renunciation of a religion by a person. It can also be defined within the broader context of embracing an opinion that is contrary to one's previous religious beliefs. One who undertakes apostasy is known as an apostate. Undertaking apostasy is called apostatizing.
(definition from Wiki)

Yep, seems like some that are quite divorced of EGW see something in the
current Pope Francis.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1S73KD/

Conservatives want Catholic bishops to denounce pope as heretic​

By Philip Pullella
May 1, 201912:16 PM EDTUpdated 5 years ago

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - A group of 19 Catholic priests and academics have urged bishops to denounce Pope Francis as a heretic, in the latest ultra-conservative broadside against the pontiff over a range of topics from communion for the divorced to religious diversity.

The most prominent of the group is Father Aidan Nichols, a 70-year-old British priest of the Dominican order who has written many books and is one of most recognized theologians in the English-speaking world. The others are less well known.

"We take this measure as a last resort to respond to the accumulating harm caused by Pope Francis's words and actions over several years, which have given rise to one of the worst crises in the history of the Catholic Church," they said in a 20-page open letter.

The letter attacks Francis for allegedly softening the Church's stance on a range of subjects. They say he has not been outspoken enough against abortion and has been too welcoming to homosexuals and too accommodating to Protestants and Muslims.

It was published on Tuesday by LifeSiteNews, a conservative Catholic website that often is a platform for attacks on the pope. Last year, it ran a document by the Vatican's former ambassador to Washington, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, calling on the pope to resign.

A Vatican spokesman had no comment on the letter, which includes dozens of footnotes, Bible verses, pronouncements by previous popes, and a separate bibliography. The letter invites people to join an on-line signature drive.

Addressing the bishops, the letter says "We therefore request that your Lordships urgently address the situation of Pope Francis's public adherence to heresy."

It asks them to "publicly to admonish Pope Francis to abjure the heresies that he has professed".

Deciding whether a Church member is a heretic is the job of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog department.

Massimo Faggioli, a well-known professor of historical theology at Villanova University in the United States, said the letter was an example of the extreme polarisation in the Church.

"There is overwhelming support for Francis in the global Church on one side, and a tiny fringe of extremists trying to paint Francis as a pope who is heretic. The problem is that there is very little legitimate, constructive critique of Francis' pontificate and his theology," he said in an email.

A significant part of the letter concentrates on "Amoris Laetitia" (The Joy of Love), a 2016 papal document that is a cornerstone of Francis' attempt to make the 1.3 billion- member Church more inclusive and less condemning.

ULTRA CONSERVATIVES TAKE AIM

In it, Francis called for a Church that is less strict and more compassionate towards any "imperfect" members, such as those who divorced and later remarry in civil ceremonies.

Under Church law they cannot receive communion unless they abstain from sex with their new partner, because their first marriage is still valid in the eyes of the Church, unless they have received an annulment. The Church does not allow divorce.

Francis has opened the door to some exceptions, allowing the decision whether the person can be fully re-integrated and receive communion to be made by a priest or bishop jointly with the individual on a case-by-case basis.

After Amoris Laetitia was published, four conservative publicly challenged the pope, accusing him of sowing confusion on important moral issues. He has thus far not responded to their demands that he clear up their doubts.

The new letter lists pages of what it calls "Evidence for Pope Francis being guilty of the delict (crime) of heresy".

It attacks him for having once said that the intentions of Martin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, "were not mistaken". It says he has not condemned abortion strongly enough and is too lenient with homosexual Catholics.

The letter criticized Francis for signing a joint statement with Lutherans in 2016 in which the pope said Catholics were grateful for the "theological gifts" of the Reformation.

It attacked the pope for a common statement with a prominent Muslim leader in Abu Dhabi in February which said the pluralism and diversity of religions was "willed by God". Conservatives say the Roman Catholic Church is the only true one and that members are called to convert others to it.


The inscription on the papal tiara adds up to 666 in Hebrew letters.
Vicarius Filii Dei is a phrase first used in the forged medieval Donation of Constantine to refer to Saint Peter, who is regarded as the first Pope by the Catholic Church. Wikipedia

Vicarius Filii Dei the Official Title of the Pope of Rome

Vicarius Filii Dei the Official Title of the Pope of Rome Vicarius Filii Dei means Vicar (or Vicegerant) of that Christ did not only give His Church

docslib.org

It is an intriguing fact that this can authorities currently claim it was never a title of the changeover was not made in ignorance of the November pope. Their problem is that this, the special title of the 15, 1914, admission for the 1941 denial uses an illus- pope for centuries, adds up to 666

The Mark and the Number of the Beast

www.norskbibelinstitutt.no

This historical interpretation identifies the number 666 with the papal title VICARIUS FILII DEI-meaning VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD. This phrase has been used by popes for centuries to defend their ecclesiastical and temporal authority. The numeric value of the letters of this phrase do add up to 666, as shown in the slides.

By holding to Sunday sacredness, Protestantism was still in bed with Catholicism, regardless of any church’s professed anti-Catholicism.

HMMMM The same could be said of baby baptisms too

Now I actually posted all of that about Jack Cottrell because you asked who he was seemingly in a way that sounded like because you did not know of him his ideas are worthless.

He had a life dedicated to every aspect of things that we talk about here, (Bible, Church, and God) and now you are aware of that.

BTW, I am not a devotee of his, but respect a lot of what he has said. There is one member here though who will tell you Jack is his favorite theologian.

 

[Robert Pate]

This was already DEBUNKED in another thread: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/catholic-preist-sings-song-about-lucifer.57390/post-1643834

You should be MORE worried about what is going to happen to ALL LIARS.
Here is what the Word of God says . . .
Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Good luck with that . . .

It is rather difficult to debunk something that is an actual fact. I mean there is the video and the Catholic priest singing about Lucifer. And then you say it has been debunked? It is very obvious that you are not able to receive truth.

 

[Ziggy]

Yes, that is the video. How did you find it?

YouTube

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is rather difficult to debunk something that is an actual fact. I mean there is the video and the Catholic priest singing about Lucifer. And then you say it has been debunked? It is very obvious that you are not able to receive truth.

That is an embarrassingly-stupid response.

It’s painfully-obvious that you didn’t actually READ the post that debunks this idiocy.

 

[BreadOfLife]

YouTube

Repeating a LIE doesn't make it "true" - unless you're Joseph Goebbels . . .

I suggest you repent of your sin.

 

[Robert Pate]

That is an embarrassingly-stupid response.

It’s painfully-obvious that you didn’t actually READ the post that debunks this idiocy.

Did not the priest say that Jesus is the son of Lucifer? That is about as blasphemous as it gets.

 

[Mink57]

Did not the priest say that Jesus is the son of Lucifer? That is about as blasphemous as it gets.

Nope.

The priest said that Jesus is the MORNING STAR. Something you should question, Robert. And that is, "Why is every Latin word in that part of the song translated into English...EXCEPT the one that matters the most?"

 

[Illuminator]

Did not the priest say that Jesus is the son of Lucifer? That is about as blasphemous as it gets.

Mink57 did an excellent job exposing your hate speech on page 1 and 2. Repeating the same lie over and over again that everyone can see makes you look stupid.

 

[Illuminator]

YouTube

There is no mention of the Catholic Church in this video or it's additions. If the CC was complicit in global conspiracies, she would have to violate every encyclical in the past 100 years.

The Papal Encyclicals Online

“The Papal Encyclicals 1740-1981” published by Pierian Press. For several years, St. Michael’s Depot included these documents.

www.papalencyclicals.net

There are plenty of good summaries available on line, that you are afraid of.

 

[Marymog]

Only conflating IF that is your perception.

You said. "Which lies of EGW do you call psychotic anti-Catholic nonsense? Put up or shut up."

So I was being obediently quiet. Therefore I was not going to respond to what you perceive are the lies of EGW.

In Reply # 1114 you listed....

Has nothing to do with perception Rella. It's a FACT.

Post #1114 is about EGW and NOT a conversation about Cottrell. Our conversation about Cottrell has NOTHING to do with EGW.

You are conflating the two.......there is no "perception" that you conflated the two. YOU CONFLATED THE TWO CONVERSATIONS!!

Definition of CONFLATE

to bring together : blend; confuse; to combine (things, such as two versions of a text) into a composite whole… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Illuminator]

Catholic social teaching, on the other hand, is difficult to summarize so neatly. Catholics of good will disagree about the meaning of Catholic social teaching and especially about how to apply it in a given situation. Moreover, there is ongoing development of doctrine on social questions, as seen in the writings of various pontiffs, from Pope Leo XIII’s charter of Catholic social thought Rerum Novarum, through Blessed Pope John XXIII’s Pacem in Terris and Pope John Paul II’s Centesimus Annus, to the second part of Pope Benedict XVI’s Deus Caritas Est. Catholic social teaching is complex, linked with changing social conditions and deepening understandings of both the work of God in history and ethical principles. Nevertheless, this complexity can be summarized imperfectly in terms of seven key principles of Catholic social teaching.

Seven Principles of Catholic Social Teaching

Catholic social teaching is complex, linked with changing social conditions and deepening understandings of both the work of God in history and ethical principles. Nevertheless, this complexity can be summarized imperfectly in terms of seven key principles of Catholic social teaching.

www.catholic.com

We are not slaves to 16th century politics.

 

[Ziggy]

Well it opens with the Pope so maybe your right it aint Catholic.
I don't know what it is and I don't care.
Someone asked about a video, I found one and there ya go.

You know how they say that the Republican/Democrat party isn't the same as my parents party?
A lot of churches and denominations look nothing like what our parents used to attend.
And the Catholic Church has missed the mark by a 100 million miles.
God isn't there, Jesus Christ isn't there, I don't even think Mary is there.
They done left that building a long long time ago.
If they ever was there to begin with.

Look I'm not here to bash catholics. It's not the people that believe that they are in the right place that bothers me.
It's the one's running the place. And not just that one. It's in most of the churches or so-called churches of every denomination.
Most of them are not scriptually sound. Most of them just take your money and buy themselves nice things like Jets and Rolls Royces while the laity goe hungry.
Bunch of hypocrites and Pharisees running the religious systems today, and I don't want no part of any of them.

So please don't take what I say personally. I'm not attacking you.
But I am praying for you and everyone else in the world that is getting led off a cliff.

Hugs