A heretical teaching dismantled with the help of Paul the Evangelist.

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Then explain your position on this issue.

If Jesus teaches you personally how to interpret Scripture…

I said no such thing.
You said it, you explain it.

Gaslighter.

 

[Taken]

You refuse to show me because your fallacy exists NOWHERE ijn Scripture.

EPIC FAIL . . .

Gaslighter.

 

[Taken]

This shows your complete confusion and failure to understand the Word of God.
Time for another Bible Lesson . . .

John is telling his readers that although they do NOT live a life of willful sin as they did before – they will STILL stumble from time to time. This is clearly evident by his admonishment in 1 John 5:16, where it states emphatically:

1 John5:16
“If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life”.

“Brother” (Adelphos) in this context is a fellow Christian – not a uterine sibling.
CLEAR, Biblical evidence that Christians still sin from time to time.

You still pretending you are qualified to teach. Sad!

The Term “Christian” does not mean, “sins no more”, nor was John speaking TO or OF “Christians” in;
1 John 3:9 or 1 John 5:18

Very sad you have to Ignore Scriptural Text and Insert your own words, and THEN attempt to use GASLIGHTING as a bullying technique.

Stop your old worn out charade.

1 John 3:9. AND 1 John 5:8 is speaking EXPRESSLY of “Born Again People”, who SIN NO MORE!

Not news…many people calling themselves “Christians”….are NOT Born Again and Continue to Sin.

Not news…many people calling themselves with other “titles”….ARE Born Again and SIN NO MORE!

You should pay closer attention to the Features God gave you;
Two ears, one mouth. Listen more, Speak less.

 

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Guess all i can say to you , my friend , is never sit for one second under the RCC . course i do know that is like singing to the choir .

Hi - God Bless you friend - Amen.

No worries here. God reveals His knowledge for our benefit.
Learn it, Believe it, Do it, or not.
Everything has a consequence.
I’d rather be right with God, rather than men.

Praise and Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Illuminator]

You still pretending you are qualified to teach. Sad!

The Term “Christian” does not mean, “sins no more”, nor was John speaking TO or OF “Christians” in;
1 John 3:9 or 1 John 5:18

Very sad you have to Ignore Scriptural Text and Insert your own words, and THEN attempt to use GASLIGHTING as a bullying technique.

Stop your old worn out charade.

1 John 3:9. AND 1 John 5:8 is speaking EXPRESSLY of “Born Again People”, who SIN NO MORE!

Not news…many people calling themselves “Christians”….are NOT Born Again and Continue to Sin.

Not news…many people calling themselves with other “titles”….ARE Born Again and SIN NO MORE!

You should pay closer attention to the Features God gave you;
Two ears, one mouth. Listen more, Speak less.

Interesting...you repeatedly insult Catholics with the statue worship canard, defy all explanations (not everyone ignores my links the way you do) and then claim you don't sin. False accusations is sinful and you think you're doing God a favor. When you are proven dead wrong, you hide behind a "gaslighting" sign because you are too proud to be corrected. Me thinks you drank too much of Matt Slick's Kool-Aid.

 

[Illuminator]

You still pretending you are qualified to teach. Sad!

At least he answers questions within the scope of his competence, unlike some people we know. There are no professional apologists in the membership. We are all amateurs. Being "born again", however you wish to define it, is not a license to bash your brothers heart felt beliefs, especially after so many falsehoods have been exposed a million times.

Anti-Catholicism (Index Page For Apologist Dave Armstrong)

Collection of papers by Dave Armstrong refuting anti-Catholicism: the absurd, self-defeating notions that Catholicism is not Christianity at all.

www.patheos.com

 

[Illuminator]

Do NOT bow before statues.

Another baseless dig from Taken. Catholics don't bow to wood and plaster. You assume what you are trying to prove.
It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.

Sometimes anti-Catholics cite Deuteronomy 5:9, where God said concerning idols, “You shall not bow down to them.” Since many Catholics sometimes bow or kneel in front of statues of Jesus and the saints, anti-Catholics confuse the legitimate veneration of a sacred image with the sin of idolatry.

Though bowing can be used as a posture in worship, not all bowing is worship. In Japan, people show respect by bowing in greeting (the equivalent of the Western handshake). Similarly, a person can kneel before a king without worshipping him as a god. In the same way, a Catholic who may kneel in front of a statue while praying isn’t worshipping the statue or even praying to it, any more than the Protestant who kneels with a Bible in his hands when praying is worshipping the Bible or praying to it.

Do Catholics Worship Statues?

Do Catholics violate God's prohibition of idolatry by worshiping statues? We put this bogus claim to rest once and for all.

www.catholic.com

Deut. 5:9 – God’s command, “you shall not bow down to them” means “do not worship them.” But not all bowing is worship. Here God’s command is connected to false worship.

Rev. 3:9 – Jesus said people would bow down before the faithful members of the church of Philadelphia. This bowing before the faithful is not worship, just as kissing a picture of a family member is not worship.

Gen. 19:1 – Lot bowed down to the ground in veneration before two angels in Sodom.

Gen. 24:52 – Abraham’s servant bowed himself to the earth before the Lord.

Gen. 42:6 – Joseph’s brothers bow before Joseph with the face to the ground.

Jos. 5:14 – Joshua fell to the ground prostrate in veneration before an angel.

1 Sam. 28:14 – Saul bows down before Samuel with his face to the ground in honor and veneration.

1 Kings 1:23 – the prophet Nathan bows down before King David.

2 Kings 2:15 – the sons of the prophets bow down to Elisha at Jericho.

1 Chron. 21:21 – Ornan the Jebusite did obeisance to king David with his face to the ground.

1 Chron. 29:20 – Israelites bowed down to worship God and give honor to the king.

2 Chron. 29:29-30 – King Hezekiah and the assembly venerate the altar by bowing down in worship before the sin offerings.

Tobit 12:16 – Tobiah and Tobit fell down to the ground in veneration before the angel Raphael.

Judith 14:7 – Achior the Ammonite kneels before Judith venerating her and praising God.

Psalm 138:2 – David bows down before God’s Holy Temple.

Dan. 2:46 – the king fell down on his face paying homage to Daniel and commands that an offering be made to him.

Dan. 8:17 – Daniel fell down prostrate in veneration before the angel Gabriel.

SAINTS AND INTERCESSORY PRAYER - Scripture Catholic

Contents1 Scripture1.1 I. We are One Family in Christ in Heaven and on Earth1.2 II. God Desires and Responds to Our Subordinate Mediation / Intercessory Prayer1.3 III. Specific Instructions to Mediate and Examples of Subordinate Mediation1.3.1 New Testament1.3.2 Old Testament1.4 IV. Veneration /...

www.scripturecatholic.com

 

[Taken]

Interesting...you repeatedly insult Catholics with the statue worship canard, defy all explanations (not everyone ignores my links the way you do) and then claim you don't sin. False accusations is sinful and you think you're doing God a favor. When you are proven dead wrong, you hide behind a "gaslighting" sign because you are too proud to be corrected. Me thinks you drank too much of Matt Slick's Kool-Aid.

@Iluminator
@BreadOfLife
@Marymog

Nothing interesting, Nothing new.

People are individuals regardless of what personal Religious, Political, Life style they choose and quietly enjoy, or choose to promote or openly discuss with like and others in opposition.

This forum offers opportunity for people to discuss the whole gambit with highlights on Religious likes and oppositions.

Not a big secret, long before this forum was established, Catholic Persons and Non-Catholic Persons have a Huge Divide on a handful of Doctrines and Practices.

Not a big secret, Some people attempt to promote their Religious Stance with Brow-beating, Denials, False Accusations, Name-calling, Deflecting, Gaslighting.

And the Fact is…NO ONE is going to take another’s Stance in serious consideration or understanding, after being subjected to their Brow-beating, False Accusations, Name-calling, Deflections, Gaslighting.

And FYI…You and I ARE in opposition, same as a couple of others who identify as Catholic who, like you, choose use the methods of brow-beating, False Accusations, Name-calling, Deflections, Gaslighting.

You have repeatedly SAID, I have repeatedly charged Catholics with Statue Worship….

Where is YOUR EVIDENCE ?
YOUR EVIDENCE should be clearly Available for ALL TO SEE….IN MY OWN WORDS, IN MY OWN POSTS….
(Conveniently missing!)

I ignore your Links, that you claim explains your (supposed position on Statue worship)…So what? Just be Honest, and say you are not qualified to speak for yourself to answer any questions you are asked, about your religious practices you participate in and do.

I claim, I do not sin. Correct. And I support my claim, by what choices “I” have made “FOR” myself and Supporting Scripture of that which “God has Promised” to anyone WHO chooses to make the choices “God Himself” has Offered ALL men.

Not my problem, IF you do not like what I have chosen.
Not my problem, IF you do not like what God has Offered.
Not my problem, IF you do not Believe what God has Offered, and Promised He would fulfill.

You claim to know WHAT I “THINK”, yet again, provide no Evidence.

You whine “YOU” are “insulted”…
For What? Oh ya, the “supposed insult”, is “You claiming I continually claim Catholics Worship Statues”….
AND….AGAIN, where is that EVIDENCE?
You imply there is mounds of EVIDENCE…
But conveniently have NOT ONCE revealed a shred of evidence ….
THAT YOU CLAIM EXISTS.

You are the FRAUD, the false accuser, the gaslighter and your charade, aside from being laughable, is steeped in wickedness, and not a Godly supported behavior.

When God has Plainly said…

Lev 26:
[1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

And When Your Catholic Church DOES, Your Catholic doctrines DO, Your Catholic practices DO, what God has SAID, DO NOT DO….it is fully your FREEWILL TO DO as YOU CHOOSE.

In my personal opinion: There IS NO EXCUSE or EXPLANATION of men I need to shuffle through to determine “IF” a mans Choices to DEFY Gods word, “IS” something for me to “consider and tempted TO follow”.

I am fully aware of Catholics trying to Explain and Defend their choosing to bow down before statues….with making their choices being ACCEPTABLE because “they are not “worshiping”, but rather JUST SHOWING Adoration of the statue image they are bowing down before.”

THAT IS a man falling for cunning trickery, to which Scripture itself gives repetitive WARNINGS to BEWARE of underhanded, cunning trickery.

It is an ATTEMPT to “undermine” God, by “changing the focus” From “WORSHIP”… to a “SHOW of Adoration”.

The Scripture I quoted…does NOT make the distinction Between “worshiping and show of adoration”……..

The Scripture I quoted….Plainly says;
To NOT bow down to…

It is men who have “CHANGED” the “conditions”….from “worshiping to show of adoration”….God Didn’t make that change.

The Bottom line is…You are accountable for your choices, same as I am accountable for my choices.

The Difference between You and Me, is the Different choices we have and do make.

The Contention between You and Me, is Neither is ACCEPTING to AGREE with what the other has chosen to DO or REJECT.

The Laughable to the point of ad nauseam, is continual Gaslighting, Deflection, False accusing, and name calling….
AS IF “deflecting” and doing those things some how is supposed to MAKE readers of your posts that YOUR CHOICES ARE validated, and anyone NOT in agreement with YOUR CHOICES have MADE their disagreement in error.

All of your deflections, ARE IRRELEVANT.

Again…Either you Stand IN Agreement with the LORD God…or you DO NOT.

Lev 26:
[1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Does Your Catholic Church, set up images?
Yes.
Does Your Catholic Church, clerics teach by word and example and expect, its Church members to do as they do?
Yes.
Does Your Catholic Church clerics, bow down unto statues?
Yes.
Do Catholic Church members, bow down unto statues?
Yes.

Do I agree with that Teaching or Doing?
No.

If you want to, AT ANY TIME, show IN Scripture that God Himself CHANGED His position,
TO WHICH Reveals God approves, even encourages men to SET up Statues (OF whatever a man chooses), for the purpose of Bowing Dow unto it……Have at it.

 

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Another baseless dig from Taken. Catholics don't bow to wood and plaster. You assume what you are trying to prove.

Cunning trickery speaking of “material” the statue is constructed with.

Do you really require God to list;
Wood, plaster, stone, plastic, concrete, baked dirt, paper, on and on to comprehend the point is to Not Bow down unto it?


Ignorance

 

[Illuminator]

Cunning trickery speaking of “material” the statue is constructed with.

Do you really require God to list;
Wood, plaster, stone, plastic, concrete, baked dirt, paper, on and on to comprehend the point is to Not Bow down unto it?


Ignorance

You repeatedly accused Catholics of idolatry, and then demand evidence of doing so. You demonize all bowing, ignore the biblical evidence that all bowing is not worship in post #527, and insult me with "ignorance". Your false accusation of "statue worship" is just as stupid as your second obsession with "bowing", which has been demolished with numerous scriptures. Your only response is more childish insults. God's prohibition to "bowing", and images in general, is related to false worship of false god's, which proves you read into scripture what isn't there, by omission, and use your scriptural manipulations as a bat to beat Catholics with. You think you have a case, but you don't.

Seventh Ecumenical Council:
The first phase of iconoclasm ended in 787, when the Seventh Ecumenical (universal) Council of bishops, met in Nicaea. This council affirmed the view of the iconophiles, ordering all right-believing (orthodox) Christians to respect holy icons, prohibiting at the same time their adoration as idolatry. Sadly, this is incomprehensible to you.

Here is what was actually said in the council:

We define that the holy icons, whether in color, mosaic, or some other material, should be exhibited in the holy churches of God, on the sacred vessels and liturgical vestments, on the walls, furnishings, and in houses and along the roads, namely the icons of our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, that of our Lady the Theotokos, those of the venerable angels and those of all saintly people. Whenever these representations are contemplated, they will cause those who look at them to commemorate and love their prototype. We define also that they should be kissed and that they are an object of veneration and honor (timitiki proskynisis), but not of real worship (latreia), which is reserved for Him Who is the subject of our faith and is proper for the divine nature . . . he who venerates the icon, venerated in it the reality for which it stands.

Again, this is incomprehensible to you, so you rail against bowing and statues as if you know what you are taking about.
[The council didn’t] say you have to bow to the item, but that they should be displayed; it is proper to display them instead of breaking them, and that they should cause you to commemorate and love their prototype. “Should be kissed” … but not “must be kissed against your will or you are out.” This is protecting the religious art and those who give proper veneration, . . . the council was protecting religious art, . . . not forcing people to bow to idols against their will.

We honor saints in heaven because they have attained the likeness (eikon / image) of God (2 Cor 3:18); “spirits of the righteous made perfect” (Heb 12:23). This is why we venerate them, because they reflect God’s glory and are His vessels. The painter is praised when his masterpiece is praised. It is His work. The saints are God’s workmanship, not man’s. Paul tells us to “imitate” him, which is a concept, it seems to me, similar to “honoring” or “veneration” (1 Cor 4:16, Phil 3:17, 2 Thess 3:7-9); and this is because he, in turn, imitates Christ (1 Cor 11:1, 1 Thess 1:6). We are exhorted to honor and imitate the “heroes of the faith” in Hebrews 6:12 and chapter 11.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them . . . (NIV, NRSV)

In other words, mere blocks of stone or wood (“them”) are not to be worshiped, as that is gross idolatry, and the inanimate objects are not God. This does not absolutely preclude, however, the notion of an icon, where God is worshiped with the help of a visual aid.

The Jews were right, according to what had been revealed to them at that early stage of salvation and redemptive history. God had to hammer into them the fact that He was different than man. The pagan gods were notable for their similarity to men. But Yahweh (the Father) is a spirit, and has no body. So idols were absolutely forbidden because 1) they competed with the true God, and 2) implied that God the Father was material.

Idolatry has always been forbidden, to Christians as well as Jews. The use of images is not in the same category, if they are rightly used. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is described four times in the Bible, by the Apostle Paul, as the image (Greek: eikon) of God. Twice, he uses the word directly of Jesus (2 Cor 4:4, Col 1:15), and twice in the sense of Christians being transformed into or conformed to the image of Jesus/God (Rom 8:29, 2 Cor 4:4). This changes everything. The incarnation made images permissible, as long as they were representing Jesus, the “image of the invisible God” (Col 1:15; KJV, RSV).

Images for creatures such as Mary or Michael the archangel are merely representations, for the sake of honor or veneration. That is not adoration, or worship, which is reserved for God alone, in Catholic and Orthodox theology, as well as in Protestant. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply ignorant about our theology. Asking a saint to intercede is not worship; it is no different than asking another Christian on earth to intercede. The saints in heaven are alive, as clearly seen in the book of Revelation. They are portrayed as being quite aware of what is going on, on earth.

Idolatry is a matter of disobedience in the heart towards the one true God. We don’t always need an image to have an idol. Most idols today are non-visual: money, sex, lust for power, convenience, our own pride or intellects; there are all sorts of idols. Anything that replaces God as the most important thing in our life and the universe, is an idol. Idolatry is a heart issue.

It’s all about what is going on interiorly, just as, e.g., lust is. One can lust without having a person of the opposite sex right in their vision, and they can not do so with a scantily-clad one right in front of them. The heart is always key in Christianity. God wants our hearts and full commitment, not just lip service or outward gestures (whether liturgical or Protestant charismatic spontaneous informal worship) to the exclusion of the heart. Catholics and Orthodox worship Jesus through images (including crosses, crucifixes, and statues of Jesus), and we venerate saints via images.

 

[Illuminator]

Just last week, I saw a woman at church kneeling before a statue of Jesus in the agony of the Garden of Gethsemane. Some people might be so foolish as to say that she was worshiping an idol of plaster. But it is quite obvious that she was worshiping Jesus, Who was made more real to her (in concrete terms) by having a visual representation, which helps to focus spirituality and concentration on the object.

If the statue had been of Mary, then no doubt many Protestants would think she was worshiping a creature. Not so. She would be venerating Mary, or asking her to pray for her. As long as God is worshiped, it is irrelevant if a visual representation is used or not. The object of worship is God. And if the image is of a creature, that is an aid to help us asl for their intercession, and to honor them and ponder their holy lives. It is important to point out the distinction between idolatry and proper use of images for the purpose of worship (of God) or veneration (of saints).

It is 99.99% certain that this woman was worshiping Jesus. One would have to be dumb as a box of nails to sit there and look at a statue of Jesus (already being a Christian and believing in the Creed) and worship a piece of plaster. This is such an outrageous assertion on the part of those who make it that it shouldn’t even be entitled to the dignity of a reply. But it is made all the time, so apologists must deal with it, even though it is groundless in almost all cases that the charge is made.

No nonbeliever should think she is worshiping plaster because it is utterly obvious what is happening. It’s not like she is there before a jagged tree stump in Nevada or something, where no one could tell immediately that an image of Christ was involved. That would be quite different. They don’t need to know Church teaching; they only have to put two and two together and figure out that the statue of a man represents a man, albeit the God-Man in this instance.

I fail to see, however, how (as is sometimes charged by critics) a statue of Jesus could become an “idol” in a Christian’s heart. The point is to remind one of Jesus, not to worship a piece of plaster. With statues of the Blessed Virgin Mary there is much more misconception. That is an aid to veneration (not worship or adoration, which is for God alone). It’s not idolatry at all (i.e., it is not automatically idolatry by virtue of the very existence of the statue). If some self-described “Catholic” is actually worshiping Mary as a sort of goddess, equal to or above the Holy Trinity, then that is absolutely heretical and blasphemous, according to Catholicism.

It is argued that such statues might make a pagan convert stumble, thinking that Christians were engaging in the idolatry that thy had just forsaken. But that’s a matter of a 2-minute explanation: “I am not worshiping these objects; they help me to concentrate on worshiping God and venerating the saints who reflect God’s glory.” This is an entirely different concept from pagan polytheistic idolatry.

Or, it is said that such statues and pictures might be seen as magic charms, to the exclusion of prayer. But such “temptation” is — I dare say — exceedingly rare among Catholics, even nominal ones. We know the function of statues. It is the critics of them who usually have no clue of what is going on. As for lack of prayer; Protestants know full well that this is a universal problem Christians need to work on; one doesn’t need a statue to keep them from praying. The idiot box and computer are more than sufficient for that purpose of the devil.

Statues were a development of paintings, as Christian art became more sophisticated and incarnational. But the principle is the same. Once any image is allowed, the hyper-literalist interpretation of the Commandment against “graven images” is no longer held. The Second Commandment is interpreted somewhat differently. Insofar as it condemns idolatry, nothing has changed. But in terms of the absoluteness of image-making, it is applied differently.

Christians do the same with the commandment about the Sabbath. If we were to be hyper-literalist, we would all worship on Saturday, like the Jews, and Sabbatarian Christians, such as Seventh-Day Adventists. But Christians now observe the Sabbath on Sunday, as that was when Jesus was resurrected. In other words: it is the same essential principle, but a different application, based on the events in the life of Jesus. The Second Commandment works the same way: since God took on flesh, we now have an image of God which is not a “graven” (idolatrous) image: Jesus, the “image of the invisible God.” That is not idolatry; it follows from the Incarnation.

The iconoclastic objection and opposition to veneration of images is as silly as saying that a person raising their hands towards God in worship and praise during church is worshiping the ceiling. That person may not have an image of God in their mind, but they use the symbolism of “upwards” as being directed towards God (yet God is everywhere, so they could just as correctly stretch their arms downward or sideways).

This is using something physical in a gesture of worship. Why ever kneel when worshiping (I did that as a Protestant sometimes; occasionally we would even lie prostrate). Why clasp hands in prayer? These are all physical manifestations of worship towards God (as would be also hymns, or even tears). We are physical creatures; God became man, and so by the principle of the Incarnation and sacramentalism, the physical becomes involved in the spiritual. Icons are based on these presuppositions.

Even in the Old Testament the Jews made images of cherubim, which are creatures, on the ark of the covenant; they had the bronze serpent in the wilderness, and various images in the decoration of the Temple. God had to get it through to them that He alone should be worshiped. Once that was established, people could grasp veneration of saints as a fundamentally different thing. But alas, many Christians today still don’t get it, especially staff members like Taken.

Since Jesus was Himself an image or icon; therefore it is permissible to have icons of Him (and by extension, of the saints, who also reflect Him, just as He reflects the Father). This is the basis of images: the Incarnation. Jesus has everything to do with images of God, since He is that, Himself. The Incarnation (like the Trinity) brings a much different understanding of God than was known previously by the Jews.
source.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I said no such thing.
You said it, you explain it.

Gaslighter.

In post #495 – I asked YOU: “Who interprets the Scriptures for YOU?”

YOU stated, “JESUS.”
And now, you DENY that you made this claim and call me “Gaslighter.”

You are a coward and a LIAR . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

cause most did just like the RCC did . they were carnal and taught it through their own mind .
You do realize this does happen a lot . I mean the RCC is king of it and sadly most of the protestant realm
seemth to be queen of it .

Soooooo, according to YOU - Jesus personally teaches EVERY individual the “correct” interpretations of Scripture but they choose to pervert them?

Can you show me where the Bible teaches this?
Chapter and Verse please . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Gaslighter.

WRONG.

I already exposed your LIE in post #532 . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You still pretending you are qualified to teach. Sad!
The Term “Christian” does not mean, “sins no more”, nor was John speaking TO or OF “Christians” in;
1 John 3:9 or 1 John 5:18
Very sad you have to Ignore Scriptural Text and Insert your own words, and THEN attempt to use GASLIGHTING as a bullying technique.
Stop your old worn out charade.
1 John 3:9. AND 1 John 5:8 is speaking EXPRESSLY of “Born Again People”, who SIN NO MORE!

Not news…many people calling themselves “Christians”….are NOT Born Again and Continue to Sin.

Not news…many people calling themselves with other “titles”….ARE Born Again and SIN NO MORE!

You should pay closer attention to the Features God gave you;
Two ears, one mouth. Listen more, Speak less.

And I already showed you that John WAS speaking to born-again people – and that he was talking about not living a life of willful sin, in context.

1 John5:16
“If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life”.

A “brother” (Adelphos) in this verse refers to a fellow born-again follower of Christ.

 

[Taken]

You repeatedly accused Catholics of idolatry…

Perfect example of YOUR GASLIGHTING…

Why do ONLY YOUR WORDS appear?

WHY DO YOU NOT ONCE SHOW MY WORDS MAKING THAT ACCUSATION?

Do you really think your devilish behavior deserves respect, honor, or consideration?

No way!

 

[Taken]

WRONG.

I already exposed your LIE in post #532 . . .

Be honest for a change.
You exposed your opinion.
So what? People have differing opinion…
By your elementary understanding, if one does not agree with another, they are LIARS…

So, apply that LIAR term to yourself, since you disagree with me.
Grow up, learn the door swings both ways…

 

[Taken]

In post #495 – I asked YOU: “Who interprets the Scriptures for YOU?”

YOU stated, “JESUS.”
And now, you DENY that you made this claim and call me “Gaslighter.”

You are a coward and a LIAR . . .

I never stated “interprets”….but I really don’t expect you to comprehend….

Yes, Jesus DOES “interpret” SOME (not all Scripture) to point blank reveal Exactly what He means.

For example:

Lazarus is asleep. Oh…guess Lazarus is napping….NO, he’s DEAD!

Jesus reveals MYSTERIES, not before known.

Does Jesus “interpret” Every passage in Scripture? No.

However IF I am LOOKING FOR an “interpretation”, it is to Jesus’s words whom I look and trust.

Regarding “UNDERSTANDING” of ANY Scripture, I hear, I read……to Understand what the Scripture MEANS…..I exclusively look to the Lord God Himself, to believe and trust.

Asking another man WHAT he UNDERSTANDS a Scripture means….IS NOT for me to consider to believe what he believes……
BUT RATHER….to know IF we have the SAME Likeness or a Division.

IF we have the SAME Likeness, we have a BOND of brotherhood…..IF we have NOT the SAME Likeness….we do not have a BOND of brotherhood.

A LIKENESS, A BOND, is established WHEN TWO men have solicited God FOR His Understanding of Scripture….and the THREE….God, a man, and another man….are ALL IN the same LIKE Agreement.

You telling me your opinions, with nothing to support your opinions but what you think, or what has influenced your thinking, your conclusions….is of NO interest to me.

Your thinking, Your doing, that you reveal IS influenced by other men….WHICH is Against that which God has SAID….is of NO interest to me.

Your huffing and puffing out derogatory irrelevant gobbledegook…is of NO interest to me.

Your self-backing patting aside from generating a laugh…is of NO interest to me.

 

[amigo de christo]

Soooooo, according to YOU - Jesus personally teaches EVERY individual the “correct” interpretations of Scripture but they choose to pervert them?

Can you show me where the Bible teaches this?
Chapter and Verse please . . .

You make zero sense man . all to defend THE HARLOT .
you gotta know by now , i had rather be throwed in prison .
Beaten with whips and a fierce cat of nine tails
and daily had salt poured into my wounds , THAN to sit under THE HARLOT . but you go and learn what that means .

 

[amigo de christo]

I WILL NOT sit at her COMPROMISED TABLE OF UNITY . ITS trash and vile garbage this lamb wont be eating from .
NO matter how often they try and use the word love . ITS FALSE . now be blessed my friends .
But what i do say to one i shall say to all and by grace shall continue to say to all . NEVER SIT UNDER A HARLOT
for a disease shall cleave fast to you and the end shall be the second death .