A heretical teaching dismantled with the help of Paul the Evangelist.

[Marymog]

IF / THEN

Oh goodness...C'mon taken.....I'm being serious and trying to have a conversation with you. And you accuse me of it not being possible for you to have a meaningful conversation with me.

Hypocrite? Or pot calling the kettle black?

 

[Taken]

Give up Illuminator. Do you not know that @Taken was taught by Jesus? (at least that is what he said)

You have been taught by Catholic men.....Taken will always be right and you and your Catholic men will always be wrong.

Mary

Circular and irrelevant. Always is NOT the issue!

Reverse your circular proposition ~
Catholic is always right, Jesus is always wrong.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Its tough for many a protestant to debate even a harlot .
OF course JAMES was written to believers . IT DOES apply to us . EVERY letter them apostels wrote
applies to us . This is where many a protestant has got confused .
But as for me , IF JESUS said it , DO IT . IF JESUS SAID IT BELIEVE IT .
same goes with ALL they wrote in that bible . IT ALL APPLIES to the believer . THE SPIRIT INSPIRED IT
ITS all for our good . That we do take heed to the scriptures , that we are hearers and DOERS of the WORD .
But again many a protestant dont hold to that simple truth . BUT BEWARE , for la madre de mintidas y muerte
DONT EITHER . She too does much evil and teaches contrary to BIBLICAL DOCTRINE .
HERES A THOUGHT . EVERYONE who names the name of JESUS CHRIST , GET IN THE BIBLE and learn FOR YOURSELVES .

Thank you for agreeing with me – followed by your usual nonsense . . .

“Learn the Bible for yourselves” is taught NOWHERE on that Bible. The Bible assigns the CHURCH to teach us (Matt. 28:19-20, Luke 10:16). Paul tells the Thessalonians:

2 Thess. 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from US."

Take a tip from Pau, my confused friend . . .

 

[Taken]

Oh goodness...C'mon taken.....I'm being serious and trying to have a conversation with you. And you accuse me of it not being possible for you to have a meaningful conversation with me.

Hypocrite? Or pot calling the kettle black?

You seem oblivious to common sense, let alone Spiritual understanding….
“IF” one believes.
“IF” one does not believe.
“IF” one becomes converted.
“IF” one does not become converted.

“IF” establishes ones “THEN” what applies to THAT ONE Person.

I don’t care WHAT your Catholic Church SAYS….”if” you do this, what shall apply, to you, (according to Your Church’s Doctrine.)

I do care WHAT Gods Word SAYS…”IF” a man does “THIS”….THEN what shall apply to THAT man, (according to Christ Jesus’ Doctrine).

Rom 10:

[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and (if thou) shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, (then) thou shalt be saved.

And IF you do not? THEN thou shalt NOT be saved.

Not rocket science. Something easily taught to and learned by toddlers.

 

[Taken]

Thank you for agreeing with me – followed by your usual nonsense . . .

“Learn the Bible for yourselves” is taught NOWHERE on that Bible. The Bible assigns the CHURCH to teach us (Matt. 28:19-20, Luke 10:16). Paul tells the Thessalonians:

2 Thess. 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from US."

Take a tip from Pau, my confused friend . . .

Suitable when originals and copies were scarce and the majority of the population could not read nor verify what was heard by them.

And WHEN men could read and did and verified WHAT men had taught, and were doing WAS NOT according to Gods Word…
They challenged, listened to denials, lies, and Left being a participating member of the corruption of False teaching and anti-God doings.

Salvation was NEVER For Sale.
Bowing down to statues was NEVER taught.
Earthly mankind has ALL sinned.
God is Eternal, without mother or father.
Prayer IS TO the Lord God ONLY.

You are not confused. You choose to be mislead.

 

[Taken]

A conversation takes place when one person says something OR asks a question. The other person then responds in a logical manner and asks the other person a valid question. You have failed to do that. You write a lot of words but never really say anything logical AND you don't answer my questions AND you partially quote me. That is why NO CONVERSATION with you is meaningful.

Logic is useful when discussing Mind-ful things.

Logic is irrelevant when discussing Spiritual things.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Gods Word is not a GAME.
Gods Forgiveness, Salvation, Quickening is not A GAME.

If you don’t know what those things ARE, or according to GODS WAY HOW to receive those things….that would be your problem, not mine.

I have already ACCOMPLISHED accepting Gods OFFERING and His POWER Guarantees His Gifts He has given men IS KEPT unto me.

You are the one jumping back and forth over the fence. With God….without God Sinning….with God….without God Sinning….

Not complicated….If you are not WITH God, you are AGAINST God…

Paul sinned after coming to Christ (Rom. 7:14-20, 1 Tom. 1:15).
John sinned after coming to Christ (1 John 1:8).
Peter sinned after coming to Christ (Dal. 2:11-13).

But YOU are “above” all of this??
You can mark down spiritual pride as one of your many ONGOING sins . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You have been told, scripturally shown, repeatedly and are too stubborn, too fixated on replying to what people do not say and making accusations and ending up in the same conundrum of NOT Understanding.

Not one person said James was preaching to un-believers.

You said James was preaching to CONVERTED men. No he wasn’t. He was speaking to Believing men.

You simply do not UNDERSTAND Believing is one thing….if a person can manage by his own ability to REMAIN Believing until his end (body dies)……He shall be saved.

And men in Belief can then NOT Believe.
They are not saved then unsaved.
They ARE Believers WHO ARE NOT COMMITTED!

Men who Believe….AND…Confess their Belief, ARE COMMITTING to their Heartful Belief. They Become soul saved and spirit born again RIGHT THEN!!!! ONE TIME and FOREVER sealed unto God. They ARE Converted, and that IS NEVER reversed!

Do you comprehend what a conjunction IS?
AND…AND…AND…!!!

A mans WORKS is Belief.
A mans SERVICE is Confessing his Belief.
A mans GIFT thereafter is Forgiveness for having NOT Believed, and Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

And WHY it is false when you claimed you were baptized with the Holy Spirit as a baby, who was unaware, did not believe, and confessed Nothing.

You were TOLD a LIE, and never to this day, have you discovered the TRUTH in Gods Word, yet you boldly and repeatedly to your own embarrassment, screech out how wrong any one is that does not agree with your utter nonsense.

Seems you have missed the entire Highlight of the New Testament.
Salvation NOW Kept with Gods Power.
Or
Stick with the SAME per the first 4,000 years, keep believing by your own willpower, and at your bodily end/death…then you shall be saved.
Keep wavering back and forth, with God, not sinning against God, without God sinning against God….and keep asking over and over and over for Forgiveness….BECAUSE why?
Why do you do what the JEWS do who follow the Old Testament?

God forgive me, forgive me, forgive me….
Does God have a Hearing Problem?
Are you completely NOT knowing….JESUS’ BLOOD was the LAST sacrifice for Forgiveness….?
How many times do you think Jesus GAVE His BLOOD to forgive and free a man from the game of sin you play?

Your lack of understanding spiritual things, and your stiffnecked attitude and continual accusations is old, boring and very unpleasant to even attempt having a conversation with you.

Go Learn the Truth or keep back-patting yourself…because what you believe, what you do has zero effect on my forever relationship with the Lord God Almighty and my Believing AND Converted brothers IN Christ.

Thanks for another verbose, psychotic rant.
Do you even know the meaning of “concise”??

James is writing to an established Church community with elders/presbyters (James 5:14) – not a groups of new “candidates”. They HAVE the truth (James 5:19) and James warns them not to lose it.

LEARM how to rightly-divide Scripture . . .

 

[Marymog]

You seem oblivious to common sense, let alone Spiritual understanding….


Not rocket science. Something easily taught to and learned by toddlers.

Why are you so mean and condescending?

Curious Mary

 

[BreadOfLife]

Suitable when originals and copies were scarce and the majority of the population could not read nor verify what was heard by them.

And WHEN men could read and did and verified WHAT men had taught, and were doing WAS NOT according to Gods Word…
They challenged, listened to denials, lies, and Left being a participating member of the corruption of False teaching and anti-God doings.

Salvation was NEVER For Sale.
Bowing down to statues was NEVER taught.
Earthly mankind has ALL sinned.
God is Eternal, without mother or father.
Prayer IS TO the Lord God ONLY.

You are not confused. You choose to be mislead.

First of all, Jesus – who is GOD – has a mother. Her name is Mary of Nazareth (Luke 1:31, John 2:1, John 19:26-27.

Secondly – NOWHERE does 2 Thess. 2:15 say, “Listen to us UNTIL we write it all down – then STOP listening to us!”
On the contrary, with regard to Church teaching, Paul writes, "EITHER by an oral statement OR by a letter."

LEARN how to rightly-divide Scripture . . .

 

[Marymog]

“IF” one believes.
“IF” one does not believe.
“IF” one becomes converted.
“IF” one does not become converted.

“IF” establishes ones “THEN” what applies to THAT ONE Person.

I don’t care WHAT your Catholic Church SAYS….”if” you do this, what shall apply, to you, (according to Your Church’s Doctrine.)

I do care WHAT Gods Word SAYS…”IF” a man does “THIS”….THEN what shall apply to THAT man, (according to Christ Jesus’ Doctrine).

Rom 10:

[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and (if thou) shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, (then) thou shalt be saved.

And IF you do not? THEN thou shalt NOT be saved.

Why didn't you just say this in the first place instead of saying "IF/THEN"?

Now I better understand your theory.

 

[amigo de christo]

Lol....soooo there are many problems in the Protestant realm, but I need to flee The Catholic Church? Flee to whom? A Protestant denomination that has "many problems". Or should I do like you and 'get back in the bible' for myself? Doing that leads to MILLIONS of truths instead of thousands of truths that each denomination teaches. If I were to listen to you, Jesus prayer is never answered (John 17:20-23). What you are suggesting is OPPOSITE of what Jesus prayed for and wants.

You crack me up.....

FLEE TO JESUS CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Who decides what "error" is? YOU?

Not the RCC nor man . GOD DOES . GET IN THE BIBLE and actually learn it for yourself . Hurry
time is running out and the harlot has poured her cup of all inclusive unity unto the world and all religoins
to merge as one under her . The end of that is the second death . FLEE to CHRIST JESUS , HE WILL KEEP THE SHEEP .

 

[amigo de christo]

Thank you for agreeing with me – followed by your usual nonsense . . .

“Learn the Bible for yourselves” is taught NOWHERE on that Bible. The Bible assigns the CHURCH to teach us (Matt. 28:19-20, Luke 10:16). Paul tells the Thessalonians:

2 Thess. 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from US."

Take a tip from Pau, my confused friend . . .

Its you who need to take your cues from the apostels like paul , like peter and others . YOU the one sitting under a harlot
that has long twisted the scrips . Most holy father my hind foot . what a self serving whoring man desires that kind of title .
YA should flee the RCC now . Hurry .

 

[Marymog]

Not the RCC nor man . GOD DOES . GET IN THE BIBLE and actually learn it for yourself . Hurry
time is running out and the harlot has poured her cup of all inclusive unity unto the world and all religoins
to merge as one under her . The end of that is the second death . FLEE to CHRIST JESUS , HE WILL KEEP THE SHEEP .

LOL....OKIE DOKIE

 

[Marymog]

FLEE TO JESUS CHRIST .

Soooo....no answer to my question...Thanks

 

[Ritajanice]

 

[BreadOfLife]

Its you who need to take your cues from the apostels like paul , like peter and others . YOU the one sitting under a harlot
that has long twisted the scrips . Most holy father my hind foot . what a self serving whoring man desires that kind of title .
YA should flee the RCC now . Hurry .

Funny…
You can never debate me on the issues. Just the usual flow of anti-Catholic epithets – like so much verbal diarrhea . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

Soooo....no answer to my question...Thanks

HE is the answer . FLEE to CHRIST the RCC is taking captive souls to a lie as are many within the protestant realm .

 

[Taken]

Paul sinned after coming to Christ (Rom. 7:14-20, 1 Tom. 1:15).
John sinned after coming to Christ (1 John 1:8).
Peter sinned after coming to Christ (Dal. 2:11-13).

But YOU are “above” all of this??
You can mark down spiritual pride as one of your many ONGOING sins . . .

You quoting Scripture that says NOTHING whatsoever about the Speaker Denying their Belief or Rejecting the Lord God, proves nothing.

You making accusations, proves nothing.

The Apostles themselves at times struggled with the reality of being Under the LAW and Transforming to being Under Grace, and understood Teaching the Transformation would be, and was also a struggle for men to hear and grasp the Understanding.

You are in the same predicament. Struggling being Under the laws, rules, doctrines of the Catholic Church and the Doctrines of Christ the Lord Jesus.

Jews who rejected Christs teaching (via the Apostles,) of forgiveness of Sin FOREVER via Jesus’ Blood…Remained Under or reverted Back to the Law, whereby they could Repeatedly Sin, and Repeatedly ask for Forgiveness. An oops on their part, since their sin offering was to be an animals blood shed on the Temple Altar, and oops the Temple was destroyed.

The Apostle Jews and the Disciple Jews continued to have disputes, reminders and admonitions over Precepts, between and amongst men. So what?
Does a dispute, reminder, admonition, between and among men over a Precept VOID a mans Gift of Salvation, Gift of Quickening the Lord God Has Given ANY man?
Uh, No.

Catholics teach the same. Sin repeatedly, confess repeatedly and repeatedly ask for Forgiveness. Even establishing little closet type booths to continue the charade.

A mans BELIEF is a BELIEF IN the Lord God.
A mans CONFESSION of his Belief is TO the Lord God.
Gods Gift of Forgiveness, Salvation and Quickening IS a Gift From ONE God TO One man.

Men have ZERO requirement to believe IN Men nor Confess their Belief IN men. Nor does a mans BLOOD forgive a mans sin.
Nor can a man give a mans soul Salvation. Nor can a man give a man a new spirit.

Sin UNDER the Law was given the Hebrews, Tribes and Jews. If that is not YOU, nor APPLY to you, why pretend it does?

Precepts and Trespasses, Apply to ALL men, and are between and among ALL men;
Hebrews, Tribesmen, Jews, Gentiles…

Why TRY to pretend a Precept, between and among men and a Trespass between and among men IS A SIN of Disbelief Against God? It isn’t.

Not NEWS, Jewish men UNDER the Law, struggled learning and understandingTransistioning FROM UNDER a
Law To Spiritual Gifts Offered by a Spiritual God.

I understand YOUR dilemma. But take ZERO responsibilities for YOUR choices.