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Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses
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Your opinion is as valid as anyone else’s.....”In My Opinion”!!
I think the SPIRIT they weren't following the day they ate, wasn't the Holy Spirit of the LORD GOD. It was the spirit from God he breathed into their bodies giving that body immortal life. And they could not walk away from that spirit which gave the flesh the 'animating' life force of all flesh creatures.
Spiritual life never died in anyone IMO. How did ENOCH walked with God to the point God took him? Yes "the scene" did change....from GARDEN to FIELD of the world. Which still was under the spoken covenant of "the law of sin and (leads to) death
As for JEHOVAH/Jahava' ELOHIM I have to ask your opinion on another verse which reveals that God has different hats to wear. The name of that had merely pertains to something more I won't go into. I will just share another verse:
EXO 6:2 And God 430 spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD 3068: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God 430 Almighty 7706, but by my name JEHOVAH 3068 was I not known to them.
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EXO 6:2 And ELOHIM spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the YEHOVA:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of 'El SHADDAI, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
My hat TITLE names of authority in life were/are SON, HUSBAND, FATHER, BROTHER, DOCTOR etc.etc.
I no longer know God by the NAME/HAT that gave the LAW of MOSES to Judge people. That name ended when I came to CHRIST and was reborn with that spirit in me
GAL 3:24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came,(in US) that we might be justified(spirit) by faith.
25 But now that faith has come,(OSAS spirit) we are no longer under a custodian;
26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. (faith of Christ).
Matthew, we are all here with 'OUR OPINIONS'.....amen, amen, and again I say amen.
I am grateful to share mine after reading yours. Yes I've shared scriptures that formed my opinion AGAIN. If you have dealt with them in your paradigm and think I'm wrong I'm OK, and UUNCHANGING where I'm at, which does not mean I am UNCHANGEABLE.
This is why Jesus Christ realizes that their are those who are spiritually dead. All people who are born into this world are spiritually dead, that is my opinion, however at the end of life they are all going to made to come back to life, in a resurrection of life, or condemnation. Everyone who is a follower of Yeshua, today, loving God and loving others, build up their spiritual body now here on earth by having relationship with the Father who has adopted them into his Kingdom of faith, and also filled with other believers in this heavenly kingdom, but also there are believers on earth to celebrate and to praise Yahava, and pray with and uplift as you go along in this life. :)
Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
I could be wrong though, thank you for your time and consideration sir.
GracePeace
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Lol I hope it's understood those verses weren't added just for ornament
Proverbs 28:1
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Warnings and Instructions
28 The wicked flee when no one is pursuing,But the righteous are [a]bold as a lion.
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- Proverbs 28:1 Lit confident
Proverbs 27
Proverbs 29
Hebrews 10:38
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38 But My righteous one will live by faith;And if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him.
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Hebrews 10:38 in all English translations
Hebrews 9
Hebrews 11
Hebrews 10:39
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39 But [a]we are not among those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith for the safekeeping of the soul.Read full chapter
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- Hebrews 10:39 Lit we are not of shrinking back...but of faith
Hebrews 9
Hebrews 11
1 John 2:28
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28 Now, little children, remain in Him, so that when He appears, we may have confidence and not [a]draw back from Him in shame [b]at His coming.Read full chapter
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- 1 John 2:28 Lit be put to shame from Him
- 1 John 2:28 Or in His presence
1 John 1
1 John 3
1 John 3:23
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23 This is His commandment, that we [a]believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [b]commanded us.Read full chapter
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- 1 John 3:23 Or believe the name
- 1 John 3:23 Lit gave us a commandment
1 John 2
1 John 4
1 John 3:24
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24 The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He remains in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.Read full chapter
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1 John 2
1 John 4
1 John 5:21
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21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.Read full chapter
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1 John 4
2 John 1
Revelation 3:17
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17 Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have no need of anything,” and you do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked,Read full chapter
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Revelation 2
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Revelation 16:15
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15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and people will not see his shame.”)Read full chapter
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GracePeace
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" He that is WITHOUT SIN, let him cast the first stone"......Jesus
There does come a time to walk away or retreat to regroup, even in the hardest times of battle!
" Let NOT your good be evil spoken of:" Romans 14:16
There does come a time to walk away or retreat to regroup, even in the hardest times of battle!
" Let NOT your good be evil spoken of:" Romans 14:16
I agree inappropriate, whomever does it.
It reflects badly on one's own witness to do so!
There are some I would sincerely like to expose with both barrels. However, it would only reflect back on my own witness.
mailmandan
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GracePeace
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1 Corinthians 9:26-1 Corinthians 10 show that salvation can be jeopardized by sin--that just as the Jews fell under God's wrath and forfeited His promise after having been saved, so, Christians can fall under God's wrath and forfeit His promise after being saved.
Some object, "This isn't about salvation, it is about rewards," but
i. Paul says that he may become disqualified, and we know Paul often refers to faith as a "race", so if he became disqualified from the race of faith, that would mean he wouldn't be in the faith (eg, 2 Co 13:5).
ii. Paul warns the Corinthians (1 Co 6), because of their shockingly unrighteous behavior, that the unrighteous will not inherit God's Kingdom, explicitly mentioning the immoral and idolaters, and, in 1 Co 10, Paul mentions both immorality and idolatry--and, by the reckoning of a person who denies this issue (righteous living after salvation) is an issue on which eternal life hinges, what they're saying is they would have no issue with a Christian a) living in sin, b) provoking God to jealousy and falling under God's wrath, and c) forfeiting God's promise.
Therefore, the issue is not "merely about rewards" (as if "rewards" could not encompass "eternal life"--this is just a misunderstanding, anyway, since "God will repay every man according to his deeds... to the one who persists in doing good... eternal life" (Ro 2:6-16). and "My reward is with Me to repay every man according to his deeds" (Rv 22:12)), but that it refers to eternal life.
1 Corinthians 9
25Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. So they do it to obtain a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.
So, what is the "wreath", which is a "crown", Paul looks to win by living righteously?
James 1
12Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him
Revelation 2
10‘Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
But what happens to people who do not love God in their deeds?
Do they just get a "lesser prize"? Of course not! They're "accursed" (1 Co 16:22)!
What happens to people who do not have a "crown of life"? Aren't they dead?
Wasn't it sin that first resulted in Adam's death--and isn't 1 Co 10 addressing sin?
So, death is by sin, and Paul says he won't get the crown of life if he lives in sin.
Sin can jeopardize our "in Christ" status (1 Jn 3:23,24)--"life" is located "in Christ" (1 Jn 5:11).
Sin is surmised by a command--falling short of it.
The command is: i) believe in Christ, and ii) love one another (1 Jn 3:23,24).
The "crown of life" Paul wants is by remaining in Christ, where "life" is.
Not all believers remain in Christ (1 Jn 2:28; 1 Jn 5:21).
There's "no condemnation" for those "in Christ" (Ro 8:1).
There's condemnation on a Christian who doesn't walk in faith (Ro 14:23).
If there's "no condemnation" for those in Christ, how is a believer condemned?
The believer is not remaining in Christ--by not walking in faith, he is not loving others.
We remain in Him, and are given Life, by obeying--i) believe in Jesus, ii) love one another.
Loving others is another way of saying "walk by faith"--"faith works by love".
When are walking in faith, we are walking by love--revealing God's righteousness (Ro 1:5, 16,17).
Those who remain in Christ are supplied with the Spirit.
The Spirit is the eternal life--the life that is only located "in His Son".
There is no sin in Christ. Those who sin are not remaining, and won't get the life.
This is the "crown of life" Paul wants.
He wants the eternal life located "in Christ", supplied only those who "remain in Christ".
It's clear.
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mailmandan
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Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.
Romans 5:12 - Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.
Ephesians 2:5 - even when we were dead in trespasses/sins, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved).
Amen but for the grace of God we would remain in sin.
He removed death in us by his grace only at our repentance and acceptance of the truth of his D, B & R. Hallelujah
Those whom reject a spiritual new birth and the creation of a new man unto life, will only be resurrected to receive punishment for that rejection.
No second chances after death!
The 2nd death awaits those who remain spiritually DEAD in unbelief !
No second chances after death!
The 2nd death awaits those who remain spiritually DEAD in unbelief !
Yes, Matthew.
He did overcome death ,hell & the grave and has the keys to such. These will be cast into the lake of fire for all eternity Revelation 1:18
“I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and death".
Revelations 20:
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
Yes, I also know what you believe about many things. I pray your spiritual eyes will be opened to see the truth of the plain word of God!
Revelation 2
18 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers ,and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH.
Your beliefs means nothing against the power of the word.
GracePeace
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I am a little confused on this.
I ask because "second death" would seem to differentiate itself from "physical death", but Adam and all his progeny die because of sin, so does the "second death" differ from the "spiritual death" sinners are already in during their physical lives? Maybe it's different than the spiritual state sinners are in because it is the ultimate iteration of it--being that they are resurrected, and condemned to the state both body and soul? It does say that if we don't believe we are "condemned already", so there is already a judgment on them, yet, in the future, they will be judged wholly.
GracePeace
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Yeah, it says there is a second death, but I didn't know if it was differentiating itself from physical death, but, then, sinners are already spiritually dead, so if they die physically that would be two deaths already--so I speculated that it is called "second death" because it refers to a state of torment of the resurrected/unified spirit and body, so it may differ from both the current physical and spiritual death of sinners.
Yes a physical death is appointed unto all men, then the judgement.
We have a choice THIS DAY TO CHOOSE TO SERVE GOD, bc we may not wake up to another.
After the GWT judgment when the separation is complete of the dead and the righteous are at the right hand of God and the unrighteous are on the left, final judgement will commence.
The righteous inherit eternal life, the unbelieving condemned receive eternal damnation bc they rejected Jesus and the word of God.
Their spiritual rejection will cost them spiritual death forever .
GracePeace
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I was just wondering why it was called "the second death" when we already have two deaths (physical and spiritual). LOL
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