Right, well, like I said, it is what it is.
Amen, and amen.
Grace and peace to you.
Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses
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Grace and peace to you.
Fully man, but not corrupted by sin. He didn't have that secret part inside like we do that wants evil.
We've been recreated in Christ is righteousness and true holiness. God rebirthed us clean. And now we are in process of renewing our minds to be able to live that way.
Adam sinned, and when he sinned, he became corrupted by sin. And not himself only,
1 Corinthians 15:22 KJV
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
@Ritajanice
All who were "in Adam" died. However Christ was not "in Adam" that He likewise inherited from Adam.
1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Two different men, two different generations. All in Adam die. All in Christ are made alive.
Adam was a living soul, but did not have life in himself. Christ is a life giving Spirit.
Much love!
Hillsage
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I meant to "give no offense" and when I respond with a scripture I do so, not to say my "humble opinion is right and your opinion is WRONG!!! I sincerely need to know what your take is on that verse from your studies which obviously differ from mine. I want to know if I have missed a 'leaf un-turned' in the verses I have compared to others whose opinions are different. And if all you offer is opinion then I have no reason to change my opinion.
I first came to the forums with a few heresies, I thought
, according to 'the church'. It appearsI have even more now than then. And my heresies in the OPINIONS of MOST forum-ers are not BIBLE. I love the BIBLES I have wore out along with my first STRONG'S which the covers fell off of, but I do not worship all the disagreeing translations as being the infallible WORD of God. Only Jesus met/meets that standard not me.Having said that Matthew please don't 'TAKE an offense' when none is intended. I hope that helps you to 'hear' where my heart comes from when I "say these things" I say. I sincerely ask because I sincerely want to know...IF I AM WRONG I want to be corrected. But I will not go before God on judgment day and say "Matthew said" or "L.A.M.B.'s belief was".
Hope this helps. I have no issue with you Matthew, and I thank you for the opportunity to share from my heart.
Sure. I have agreed many times, and still do, and always will... :)
It's not about "wanting" anything. :) It's about the innate inability, in and of ourselves, to resist. And Jesus, in His humanness, had that, but also had, in His Godliness, the innate ability, in and of Himself, to resist and remain uncorrupted by sin. And the latter "won out" :)... because, in His Godliness, He was more powerful ~ able to overcome His humanness ~ and infinitely so, because He was God even in His humanness. And this is why He is able to reconcile us to the Father, by the imputation of His righteousness to us, even though we have no righteousness of our own.
And... just to the original subject of this thread... this is why we cannot lose our salvation, because it is God's righteousness that He has imputed (credited, ascribed) to us, thereby placing us in Christ, and we cannot remove ourselves. As Paul says in Romans 11:29, the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Thanks be to God.
Sure. Agree.
Ah, now this statement, in and of itself, is conflicted... presents conflict. I'll just say that Adam is at the head of Christ's genealogy, so He was the Son of Man, as He even called Himself. But He was also the Son of God.
Absolutely. And Christ was never dead as we were (and as many who walk among us now are).
I mean, I get the difficulty, and anyone who says he or she has no difficulty with it is either lying to others or lying to himself/herself or both. But still... it is what it is.
Grace and peace to you.
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No, there is no conflict. He is the Last Adam, the Second Adam, He is not from Adam. This is the heart of the matter. And when we are reborn we are no longer in Adam, because we have been immersed into Christ. Being in Christ is to share His life, His kind of life. We were in Adam, and shared in his kind of life, which was corrupted by sin, and ended in death. Now we are in Christ, which is righteous and holy, and is eternal life.
"In Adam, all die." Christ, were He "in Adam", would be subject to death, and would Himself need a savior.
No lie. I find harmony in these passages, and it seems pretty clearly stated. You just need to take every word seriously, as if God were saying exactly what He means.
Much love!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@marks .
Just trying to get some clarity here, Brother.
You said......He is the Last Adam, the Second Adam, He is not from Adam.
Was Jesus birth mother from the first Adam?
Just trying to get some clarity here, Brother.
You said......He is the Last Adam, the Second Adam, He is not from Adam.
Was Jesus birth mother from the first Adam?
amigo de christo
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is it a sin nature to desire pre eminence above all . GOD DESIRES ALL PRE EMINENCE , ALL GLORY .
But is it a sin for man to desire this for themselves . YES IT IS .
When the bible says satan was created perfect and later man was created perfect and upright . THAT BE TRUE .
BUT let us always remember , GOD does not sin . IT IS NOT WRONG FOR GOD TO DO AS HE DO or DESIRE as HE DOES .
BUT for man , this is not always the case . IT IS SIN for us to desire to be ............................
See and understand my friend . See and understand . This might help answer some things too .
You see INQUITY was FOUND IN SATAN . WHEN SATAN DESIRED ................DESIRED to be AS GOD .
BUT ITS NOT SIN FOR GOD TO DESIRE ALL POWER , ALL CONTROL , ALL GLORY , ALL WORSHIP ,
it is for THE CREATED TO DO SO . NOW ya know the rest of the story .
People sometimes act like GOD CREATED INQUITY IN SATAN or that JESUS did not come in the same flesh we are in .
OR etc etc .
FREE WILL . man was created in the image of GOD , the angels too were given free will .
Its not sin for GOD to be desired to be above all , BUT IT IS FOR CREATION . PEROID .
amigo de christo
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His birth mother was from adam and eve .
But JESUS was long before adam and eve ever were . OH let the KING BE PRAISED and every hand raised
in honor unto the glorious LORD . as pertains to the flesh and more paticular the jewish line
THE WORD did become flesh of that LINE . BUT HE WAS LONG BEFORE MAN was or anything created ever was that was .
TRUTH IS HE CREATED ALL THINGS . GOD CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST .
HOW , GOD SPOKE , JESUS IS THE WORD and GOD is HIS OWN WORD , his own life essence coming forth .
Now raise those hands up dear sister . ITS TIME to dance a jig of praise with a ton of thanksgiving to follow it UNTO
the GLORIOUS HOLY LORD .
I love this old saying .
HE came to die on a cross made of wood
and yet had made the VERY HILL on which IT STOOD . SING TO THE KING SISTER . YEAH i say JUST SING TO THE GLORIOUS LORD .
HE IS OUR HOPE and OUR SALVATION . And it just happens to be LORD PRAISING TIME IN THE HOUSE again .
Your statement above presents conflict. Inadvertently ~ I know you don't mean it to be conflicting, but it is.
Ritajanice gets it... :)
Right, but not yet fully; that will come when Christ returns. Using Peter's words in 1 Peter 1:3-5, We are both saved ~ "born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead..." ~ and being saved ~ "...to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
<chuckle> Well, Jesus did die on the Cross... :) But sure, as God, He did not need a savior... because... He is ~ is ~ the Savior... the Father's Christ. Here again, there are two senses to this, the second being that He did save Himself, in His humanness, in fully and perfectly keeping God's Law, and remaining without ~ uncorrupted by ~ sin.
Yeah, I'm not saying you're actually lying, marks. :)
Okay. :)
LOL! You say that as if I don't... :) Yes, God meant what He said, and He said what He meant. Thanks be to God.
Grace and peace to you.
amigo de christo
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It is one thirty three in west texas , LORD PRAISING TIME my friends . Lift those hands and praise the glorious LORD .
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Yes, I believe so.
Hebrews tells us something about Abraham and Levi and Melchizedek,
Hebrews 7:8-10 KJV
8) And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9) And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10) For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek. He did so because he was "in Abraham", or, in the loins of Abraham.
When God created Humanity, it was all in one man, Adam, both his name, and the word for man. All who would be born from Adam were in the loins of Adam, just as Levi was in Abraham's loins, though they were separated by several generations.
When Adam died, on the day he ate from the forbidden tree, humanity died. We've passed from death into life.
Being born again is to be born into the new line.
Romans 8:2 KJV
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 7:17 KJV
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Much love!
My thought goes to how afraid they became after partaking of the fruit.
God Arraigns Adam and Eve
8Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?” 10“I heard Your voice in the garden,” he replied, “and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.”…
To me, there is some type of connection of once being innocent in front of God, which changed into being guilty, and afraid. There seems to be a loss of connection.
Hillsage
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My thought goes to how "ashamed" they were, because earlier it said;
GEN 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
My thoughts early on were also, what was covering them before and was now LOST. I can't prove where I've landed but I believe they lost the robe of righteousness that comes from walking in complete obedience to the SPIRIT. That's what made them "LIVING souls" instead of dying souls they became when naked.
GEN 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day:
Another thing that ties in here for me is this; One day (30+? years ago) I was going to start with Genesis again and I felt led to look up every word I was 'drawn' to in STRONG's. And it was Great up until Gen 3:8 and the word "COOL". I skipped over that word even after I did feel 'drawn' a tiny bit. And I'm sure it was tiny because I couldn't even imagine how another Heb def. use of that word could amount to any thing in the sentence. I was thinking of possible alternatives as being "Chilly day' 'Fall-ish day' etc. But I felt a stronger nudge and obeyed. Do you know what that Hebrew word is? It is RUWACH and in the OT it is translated 227 times as
SPIRIT and 1 time as "COOL". Let's reread Gen. 3:8 with eyes that will hopefully see what I saw so long ago.
GEN 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the SPIRIT of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
I'll stop here. Hopeful that your thinking about a lot of things like did. I've never heard anybody ever teach this word's definition until a couple of years ago. And I can't help but wonder if he heard it through some grapevine whose roots are (30+) years old..... :cool:
It could have happened.
Gnite.
GracePeace
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Shame, fear, and fleeing and hiding (Pr 28:1; Heb 10:38,39; 1 Jn 2:28, 3:23,24, 5:21; Rv 3:17, 16:15).
Genesis 3
7And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; so they sewed together fig leaves and made coverings for themselves.
8Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
9But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?”
10“I heard Your voice in the garden,” he replied, “and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.”
GracePeace
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It's both: as you say, we really are a new creation, and the old really has gone, and yet we are to lay aside the old self and put the new self on.
Ephesians 4
20But you did not learn Christ in this way, 21if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, 22that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 23and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Being Born Again is also, a Living Spiritual birth, that only God can do through the Spirit...we have received the Holy Spirit, who lives in our spirit...we are ALIVE in Christ, he brings us Alive in our spirit.
Mind Blowing!!
As God’s word says below.
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. New Living Translation Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. |
Hallelujah!!!!...Hallelujah!!!!!.......Hallelujah!!!!!
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Still they lost connection, and they were lead out of the Garden and they were separated from that spiritual life with God openly expressing and letting himself be heard, in this "heaven and earth like scene", the same goes for the natinn of Isarel they had to sacrfice every year and when God accepted it, he would show up in the temple, as a cloud. There is still separation today, however, through faith and belief, you restablish the connection with Yahava, because his son replaced what Adam lost in the garden,. Now everyone has access to Yahava, freely due to looking at the creation which he has created and looking at someone who they deem greater than themselves.
Ultimately I do believer that Adam and Eve lost connection with Yahava, that day, they left the garden they no longer had spiritual life, perhaps it started from the first knowing - that they disobeyed God, they were no longer innoncent, and they were sent into a world that was fallen - though today it is has been reconciled according to one of the writers in the bible.
That is my opinion, though and no on has to believe it . I could be wrong.
Hillsage
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I think the SPIRIT they weren't following the day they ate, wasn't the Holy Spirit of the LORD GOD. It was the spirit from God he breathed into their bodies giving that body immortal life. And they could not walk away from that spirit which gave the flesh the 'animating' life force of all flesh creatures.
Spiritual life never died in anyone IMO. How did ENOCH walked with God to the point God took him? Yes "the scene" did change....from GARDEN to FIELD of the world. Which still was under the spoken covenant of "the law of sin and (leads to) death
As for JEHOVAH/Jahava' ELOHIM I have to ask your opinion on another verse which reveals that God has different hats to wear. The name of that had merely pertains to something more I won't go into. I will just share another verse:
EXO 6:2 And God 430 spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD 3068: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God 430 Almighty 7706, but by my name JEHOVAH 3068 was I not known to them.
READ AGAIN red in Hebrew
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EXO 6:2 And ELOHIM spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the YEHOVA:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of 'El SHADDAI, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
My hat TITLE names of authority in life were/are SON, HUSBAND, FATHER, BROTHER, DOCTOR etc.etc.
I no longer know God by the NAME/HAT that gave the LAW of MOSES to Judge people. That name ended when I came to CHRIST and was reborn with that spirit in me
GAL 3:24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came,(in US) that we might be justified(spirit) by faith.
25 But now that faith has come,(OSAS spirit) we are no longer under a custodian;
26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. (faith of Christ).
Matthew, we are all here with 'OUR OPINIONS'.....amen, amen, and again I say amen.
I am grateful to share mine after reading yours. Yes I've shared scriptures that formed my opinion AGAIN. If you have dealt with them in your paradigm and think I'm wrong I'm OK, and UUNCHANGING where I'm at, which does not mean I am UNCHANGEABLE.
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