Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[TinMan]

Oy vey! Letting sexual deviants adopt kids; nothing but good will flow from that decision.

yeah an unwanted child becoming a part of a happy family is just awful.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Transgenderism has been documented in cultures across the world going back thousands of years. The term transgender was coined in 1965 by psychiatrist John F. Oliven of Columbia University.

The nonsense with the Frankfurt School goes back to white supremacist and holocaust denier Kevin MacDonald who created the whole paranoid conspiracy. MacDonald is also famous for his support for the repeal of the 14th and 15th amendment of the US constitution replacing them with the "Pace Amendment." His proposed wording of this constitutional amendment reads: "No person shall be a citizen of the United States unless he is a non-Hispanic white of the European race, in whom there is no ascertainable trace of Negro blood, nor more than one-eighth Mongolian, Asian, Asia Minor, Middle Eastern, Semitic, Near Eastern, American Indian, Malay or other non-European or non-white blood, provided that Hispanic whites, defined as anyone with an Hispanic ancestor, may be citizens if, in addition to meeting the aforesaid ascertainable trace and percentage tests, they are in appearance indistinguishable from Americans whose ancestral home is in the British Isles or Northwestern Europe. Only citizens shall have the right and privilege to reside permanently in the United States."
Are you a white supremacist?

As I said, more logical fallacies. one on top of another.

 

[CadyandZoe]

What sin do you think you are pointing out?

It's not my definition. it is the sociological, psychological and legal definition of orientation.

So what would you expect from a post-modernist culture and society that doesn't believe in objective truth? Do you honestly believe that truth is a matter of consensus? I affirm the correspondence theory of truth -- that claims are true if they match or correspond to reality. Scientists formerly affirmed the correspondence theory of truth. And I'm sure many of them do, but they are funded by those who don't. Understand? Follow the money. With regard to those who fund research, "truth" is whatever is useful to the donor.

Orientation is just another word for predilection, which is a matter of the will, not a matter of ontology.

Even if a woman is attracted to another woman, her behavior should still be guided by morality and abstinence.

You can deny the Earth is round all you like but that won't change reality.

You have a bad habit of making up inferences that do not follow from anything that I said.

That is your fantasy and not reality

Like all who embrace hate and prejudice your beliefs actively reject rationality all together

Unlike you, I don't accept innate orientation. We are discussing the morality of a particular behavior, which is practiced by all races, nationalities, peoples, tongues, and ethnic groups. If I deny that orientation is an innate characteristic of human beings, then how can you accuse me of hatred of a fictional person?

Try to keep up.

 

[CadyandZoe]

That's more than you did.

And you know this how?

 

[MatthewG]

It is really none of my business. Nor is it yours. Unless it involves children then that is when authorities need to be notified!

 

[CadyandZoe]

Wrangler's original claim was that LGBT people deserve the treatment they receive because they are evil. Post #958

I asked what was evil about 8 yar old Gabrieal and he won't answer but since you understand Wrangler's point can you tell me just why that 8 year old child was evil?

I went back and read his post. He was responding to your inane comment concerning what an individual LGBTQ person experiences over time, not a single act of injustice. At least try to get it straight. He didn't answer your question because it was an obvious case of deflection and emotionalism.

Apparently, you were trying to explain the concept of "minority stress," which is allegedly one reason why an LGBTQ person might suffer from substance abuse and suicide. The more obvious reason why such people suffer from substance abuse is because their partners give them drugs to reduce the victim's judgment and lower the victim's resistance. The victim commits suicide because the abuser leaves them without hope, humiliated, and degraded.

 

[CadyandZoe]

What sin do you think you are pointing out?

I was using the generic you or the impersonal you. I wasn't speaking of you in particular. I think we can all relate to the discomfort we feel when someone challenges our beliefs or our behaviors. You would say that the LGBT crowd experiences a unique form of stress that results from social stigma and discrimination. I can't speak for @Wrangler , but I personally disagree with your assessment.

The LGBT crowd is feeling guilt-related stress. Not only are they self-conscious about their immorality, but their behavior involves negative evaluations of the self, feelings of distress, and feelings of failure. Guilt can lead to negative coping methods such as isolation, self-punishment, or substance abuse. Guilt can make a person feel anxious, depressed, and ashamed.

The LGBT crowd has various ways to cope with guilt-stress, such as seeking social support and engaging in activism. Unfortunately, they are unable to find positive role models or develop a strong sense of identity and self-esteem.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It is really none of my business. Nor is it yours. Unless it involves children then that is when authorities need to be notified!

I agree. What people do in the privacy of their bedroom is none of my business. Our discussion is focused on the oughtness of homosexual behavior, and the subtext of our discussion is one's eternal welfare. In other words, what does God think of the practice and what will he do about it?

 

[Wrangler]

I say that about every one of your posts.

Yea, the difference is my posts are actually true and your posts are actually false. For instance, you dodged and ignored the question that homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible, right?

 

[Wrangler]

was this before or after I said the boy was evil?

You are denying the boy is evil. When pressed with how old does someone have to be to be evil, you just ignored that also.

Your entire world view is a house of cards, one lie built on top of another lie. I asked if you accepted Jesus as your master and savior. Another dodge.

 

[Wrangler]

yeah an unwanted child becoming a part of a happy family is just awful.

You suppose happiness is found in the long run by going against the will of God. That's the difference between us.

 

[Wrangler]

The LGBT crowd is feeling guilt-related stress.

Very profound. It reveals the mockery of "Pride" parades.

Normal people don't have parades for how they feel.

 

[MatthewG]

I agree. What people do in the privacy of their bedroom is none of my business. Our discussion is focused on the oughtness of homosexual behavior, and the subtext of our discussion is one's eternal welfare. In other words, what does God think of the practice and what will he do about it?

God allows people to choose to do whatever they want to. There is a consequence to every choice made. God seen the faith of Rahab the harlot, and her actions made her right with God.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Real life encounters of rejection, and acceptance, by the church.

Ah we see satan trying to force Christians to accept sin... leading more Christians to turn away from the faith and embrace OSAS doctrine that must accept LGBBQ people's sin as already having been forgive

So, it's all good up in the OSAS hood!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God seen the faith of Rahab the harlot, and her actions made her right with God.

And she would have quit being a street walker in order to remain right with the Lord too.

There's no such thing as Christian hookers... or hookers for Jesus!

 

[BarneyFife]

But I stop to consider whether a Bible interpretation is wrong when it violates what I know about the character of God.

This is a point at which I think we are definitely kindred spirits, SS.

It's pretty much all I care about. I understand that that's got to be hard to take coming from a dyed-in-the-wool denominationalist like me but it's a hill I'm willing to die on.

I think one thing that's definitely at play here is that many Christians have an almost subconscious idea that a seismic epiphany constitutes conversion and that at that very point, we begin to see God as He really is—whatever that means to us. But I think dramatic, instantaneous conversion is a rare thing, if not altogether impossible.

Closely related is the never-ending tension between justification and sanctification that gets people so worked up that they knock months off the end of their lives arguing about how it works. And it's primarily based on selfishness manifesting itself in anxiety as to whether we're safe from hellfire from one moment to the next. I myself had no real assurance of salvation until I was able to let go of that foolishness.

Jesus touches people and they are changed. But that change looks different from within and to different people. We're never going to be able to make an end run around that.

We're never going to have a perfect brick-and-mortar church.

Our children will never be safe from sin and sinners until they are no more.

And we can't protect our children from pain by arguing with God about what sin is.

The one thing I see in all of the arguments in favor of loosening up the definition of sexual immorality is that it must be subject to experience and emotion.

I watched the entire discussion between Pastor Colby Martin and Professor Owen Strachan and what I very sadly came away with (because I so badly wanted to hear a good, articulate point from Martin) is that Strachan knows what he believes (however imperfect that is) and Martin almost looks like he's making it up as he goes along.

My mouth nearly fell open when I heard him say:

"In some way I can totally sign off on God designing sexuality if I'm allowed to sort of have my ways of thinking about it."

It's also largely a debate between the concepts of intelligent design and evolutionary theory. There's this idea that the church should have gotten things right by now. But the church can't evolve any more than the human race can. The Bible itself foretells that there will be a "falling away." Genetic entropy is eating away at it every bit as much as it is doing a number on the human race. There is a way to reverse both to a certain degree (granted, it's a narrow way that most will find no stomach for) and it is scheduled to happen, but it doesn't involve critical theory, which itself is an evolutionary philosophical concept.

The church has to be re-created, or converted.

Needless to say, I don't believe that studying the Bible as the literal Word of God (irrespective of the narrow view that doing so causes some to adopt) hinders the expansion of intelligence in any way. I eerily understand what's going on around me and how I should relate to it so much better than I did before I started doing so.

As far as gender identities being formed in the minds of pre-schoolers, I have no doubt that it happens. But I don't for a minute believe it happens in a vacuum.

I have been predisposed to overeating ever since I can remember. I have heard very well-respected scientists say that is possible for a young mother to over-feed an infant so as to cause this kind of lifelong propensity. And pre-natal influences are very significant as well, in both father and mother. But I don't believe I'm left helpless by God to bring premature death upon myself by consuming more calories than I burn, and it took long hard years for me to realize that I could have lasting victory over that predisposition.

And little children shouldn't be asserting sexual distinctions of any kind whether they are in line with biological assignment or not. And it is possible, especially in our over-sexed society, to condition a child to sensuality, in general, which will, in turn, cause them to assert many harmful things.

Human beings, even at the infant stage, need to be supplied with the components that make up good, strong, healthy minds and bodies. And children are both deprived of good and over-exposed to bad quite commonly in this respect.

People need adequate and non-stimulating nutrients, exercise, fresh water, sunlight, judicious use of what is healthful and abstention from things that are harmful, fresh air, adequate rest, and they need to be taught as early as possible to trust in divine care and power.

The degree to which we provide our little ones with these things will determine the health of their little bodies, minds, and spirits.

I see little babies twerking on those minute-long videos while folks look on laughing and suspect, I suppose, that encouraging such activity and exposing them to frontal-lobe-suppressing music and other media entertainment is all in good fun and could never harm them.

The jury isn't fully in yet on all of this stuff, I concede, but humans have a long history of waiting until it's too late to rectify problem behavior.

Meanwhile, God has supplied more than sufficient wisdom on the affairs of life in His Word and we (including myself) treat it like so much witty prose and pontification.

(Did you know that the recipe for bread in Ezekiel 4:9 that skeptics like to mock—because of the oven's fuel source, of all things—has been shown to greatly help in normalizing blood glucose levels in Type 2 diabetics?)

And He says He is not forever mocked.

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[MatthewG]

And she would have quit being a street walker in order to remain right with the Lord too.

There's no such thing as Christian hookers... or hookers for Jesus!

You really think so?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Fornication is a sin according to God's Word... fornication for money is still a sin.

Those that have been born again... they don't question what God says in His Word but rather accept it as truth.

You should get born again and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before....it's too late.

 

[MatthewG]

Will God have mercy on those who he will show mercy? Will God have judgement on those whom he would cast judgement by his own spirit the Spirit of God?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Will God have mercy on those who he will show mercy? Will God have judgement on those whom he would cast judgement by his own spirit the Spirit of God?

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.