Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[TinMan]

Church Greeter: Welcome to church!
Church Visitor: Approve of my sexual deviancy as normal or I'll call you names.

Indeed. What's wrong with this picture?

The church visitor didn't say one way or the other.

 

[St. SteVen]

Real life encounters of rejection, and acceptance, by the church.

LGBT People Share Their Experience Being Rejected By the Church | Tell A Stranger​

127,039 views Jun 13, 2019
We invited two strangers to tell their coming out stories and talk about their shared experiences.
How did they handle the uncertainty of how the world would see them after coming out...

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[CadyandZoe]

False claim

It was a concept invented by the Frankfurt School in Germany to justify all kinds of wickedness. Transgenderism is based on Marxist philosophy, which seeks to break down society to swoop in and rebuild it in its image. Are you a Marxist TinMan?

 

[St. SteVen]

The lost and found.

When a Christian comes out... they risk losing:
- their friends
- their church
- their family
- their job
- their safety
- their home

But they find themselves.

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[CadyandZoe]

You attack LGBT people all the time and you attack anyone who doesn't share you prejudice.

If I point out your sin, you feel guilty. You misinterpret it as an attack.

If you posted what you say here about any other group it would be degrading at best.

You seem to hear what you want to hear. I maintain that homosexual behavior is degrading. I limit my comments to behavior. You read into my comments things I didn't say.

I don't accept your bogus classification of "orientation", which is absurd. The concept of orientation was invented by evil people in order to justify their wickedness.

Be adult enough to own your opinion

Be adult enough to face reality.

You lied what you said there is no such thing as transgender.

The concept of transgenderism is not real. Try to understand that "truth" is not a consensus opinion as post-moderns believe. Just because you hear about transgenderism in the news doesn't make it real. The idea that gender transcends sexuality is absurd. And anyone who has been paying attention to the transformation of American culture will surely attest to the insanity of such absurd claims.

No I am honest. That may be confusing to you.

I have no doubt that you believe what you say you believe. But like all "religious" beliefs, you hold them without a rational basis. You hold them in order to maintain respectability among your friends and colleagues. You have adopted science as your religion and uncritically believe whatever they tell you.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Philosophy of science is a branch of philosophy concerned with the foundations, methods, and implications of science. The central questions of this study concern what qualifies as science, the reliability of scientific theories, and the ultimate purpose of science as well as the use of science to enlighten and educate.

You should take your own advice as you pretty much reject all of this.

So you looked it up in an encyclopedia. Good for you young man.

 

[Wrangler]

the point is that the Old Testament has much to say about rape and blood sacrifice and slavery and polygamy but you don't want those passages brought up in dealing with such issues today. But you do want to use the Old Testament to justify bigotry against one minority of people...a group of people you choose to hate.

None of what you write is true.

 

[Wrangler]

Still waiting for you to tell us all why 8 year old Gabriel was evil.

I already explained - multiple times. You know that homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible, right?

 

[St. SteVen]

--- PARODY ---

A straight son comes out to his gay parents.

Son: Dad, we need to talk.
Father: Sure son, what's on your mind?
Son: (gulp) I'm straight.
Father: Say what? ??? !!!
Son: That's right, I'm straight.
Father: Does your father know about this?
Son: No, I wanted to tell you first.
Father: I see. Better let me speak to him first.
Son: Thanks. I'm sorry, I don't mean to hurt either one of you.
Father: Yes, this is a disappointment. We thought we raised you right.
Son: You're fine. It's me. I can't deny my opposite sex attraction.
Father: What can I say? I remember coming out to my parents.
Son: Tell me what that was like.
Father: It was terrible. We didn't speak for years.
Son: Wow, I didn't know.
Father: I'm not going to treat you that way. I accept you as you are.
Son: (tears) Thanks, Dad. I love you.
Father: I'll speak with your father. Hopefully he will take it well too.
Son: I would like to bring my girlfriend home for Christmas.
Father: Whoa, you have a girlfriend? (gasp)
Son: Yes, of course.
Father: No worries. We'll get through this one step at a time.

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[CadyandZoe]

I already explained - multiple times. You know that homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible, right?

I understand your point. The treatment of an 8-year-old should not be used to determine the answer to a question. As people of faith, we base our judgment of right and wrong on the inherent nature of actions and their alignment with Biblical principles. The evaluation of how an 8-year-old is treated should be based on the same criteria as sexual behavior. However, it is important to note that the treatment of an 8-year-old is a distinct issue from that of sexual behavior.

The mixing of two distinct issues that should be evaluated separately is called "Conflation", which leads to many logical fallacies as you and I have witnessed. :)

 

[Wrangler]

The evaluation of how an 8-year-old is treated should be based on the same criteria as sexual behavior. However, it is important to note that the treatment of an 8-year-old is a distinct issue from that of sexual behavior.

I described this as no one here would deny that sin is done to sinners.

Our friend, @TinMan, wants to assert that because the 8-yo did not deserve the treatment he received, it makes homosexuality NOT a sin. Conflating, indeed!

 

[St. SteVen]

My Two Mums (The Myths of Gay Adoption) | Lynne Elvins | TEDxBristol​

615,579 views Dec 13, 2015
When people announce they are going to have children - the normal reaction is “congratulations!”
When you’re a gay couple who announce that you are going to adopt, you can get a very different reaction.
Lynne and her partner Emma, became the first gay couple to be approved for adoption in Bristol, UK, in 2004.
Lynne takes us on the incredibly moving and thought-provoking journey her family embarked
on with their adopted son Steven. She also addresses the media headlines and myths around
same-sex parenting, the machinations of the adoption process and society’s
ingrained assumptions about gender roles.

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[TinMan]

It was a concept invented by the Frankfurt School in Germany to justify all kinds of wickedness. Transgenderism is based on Marxist philosophy, which seeks to break down society to swoop in and rebuild it in its image. Are you a Marxist TinMan?

Transgenderism has been documented in cultures across the world going back thousands of years. The term transgender was coined in 1965 by psychiatrist John F. Oliven of Columbia University.

The nonsense with the Frankfurt School goes back to white supremacist and holocaust denier Kevin MacDonald who created the whole paranoid conspiracy. MacDonald is also famous for his support for the repeal of the 14th and 15th amendment of the US constitution replacing them with the "Pace Amendment." His proposed wording of this constitutional amendment reads: "No person shall be a citizen of the United States unless he is a non-Hispanic white of the European race, in whom there is no ascertainable trace of Negro blood, nor more than one-eighth Mongolian, Asian, Asia Minor, Middle Eastern, Semitic, Near Eastern, American Indian, Malay or other non-European or non-white blood, provided that Hispanic whites, defined as anyone with an Hispanic ancestor, may be citizens if, in addition to meeting the aforesaid ascertainable trace and percentage tests, they are in appearance indistinguishable from Americans whose ancestral home is in the British Isles or Northwestern Europe. Only citizens shall have the right and privilege to reside permanently in the United States."
Are you a white supremacist?

 

[Wrangler]

She also addresses … society’s
ingrained assumptions about gender roles.

Oy vey! Letting sexual deviants adopt kids; nothing but good will flow from that decision.

 

[TinMan]

If I point out your sin, you feel guilty. You misinterpret it as an attack.

What sin do you think you are pointing out?

You seem to hear what you want to hear. I maintain that homosexual behavior is degrading. I limit my comments to behavior. You read into my comments things I didn't say.

I don't accept your bogus classification of "orientation", which is absurd. The concept of orientation was invented by evil people in order to justify their wickedness.

It's not my definition. it is the sociological, psychological and legal definition of orientation.

You can deny the Earth is round all you like but that won't change reality.

Be adult enough to face reality.

The concept of transgenderism is not real.

That is your fantasy and not reality

Try to understand that "truth" is not a consensus opinion as post-moderns believe. Just because you hear about transgenderism in the news doesn't make it real. The idea that gender transcends sexuality is absurd. And anyone who has been paying attention to the transformation of American culture will surely attest to the insanity of such absurd claims.

I have no doubt that you believe what you say you believe. But like all "religious" beliefs, you hold them without a rational basis. You hold them in order to maintain respectability among your friends and colleagues. You have adopted science as your religion and uncritically believe whatever they tell you.

Like all who embrace hate and prejudice your beliefs actively reject rationality all together

 

[TinMan]

So you looked it up in an encyclopedia. Good for you young man.

That's more than you did.

 

[TinMan]

None of what you write is true.

I say that about every one of your posts.

 

[TinMan]

I already explained - multiple times.

no, you dodged, denied and even lied and tried to claim I was the one who said he was evil.

 

[TinMan]

I understand your point. The treatment of an 8-year-old should not be used to determine the answer to a question. As people of faith, we base our judgment of right and wrong on the inherent nature of actions and their alignment with Biblical principles. The evaluation of how an 8-year-old is treated should be based on the same criteria as sexual behavior. However, it is important to note that the treatment of an 8-year-old is a distinct issue from that of sexual behavior.

Wrangler's original claim was that LGBT people deserve the treatment they receive because they are evil. Post #958

I asked what was evil about 8 yar old Gabrieal and he won't answer but since you understand Wrangler's point can you tell me just why that 8 year old child was evil?

 

[TinMan]

I described this as no one here would deny that sin is done to sinners.

Our friend, @TinMan, wants to assert that because the 8-yo did not deserve the treatment he received, it makes homosexuality NOT a sin. Conflating, indeed!

was this before or after I said the boy was evil?