Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[BarneyFife]

When he was 8 years old Gabriel Fernandez's (google him) parents observed his effeminate behavior and identified him as a homosexual. Over the next several weeks Gabrial was subjected to what I personally call hate and discrimination...and torture I recognize you will disagree. He was repeatedly asphyxiated, beaten with electrical wires bound, gagged and kept in a dog kennel. Burned with cigarettes, denied food for days in a row and when there was food he was forced to eat cat feces and rotting floor. If he threw it up he was forced to lick it all up and eat it again. When he tried to run out of the door he was shot with a BB gun. In the end he was thrown repeatedly against the wall until he went unconscious where his loving parent proceeded to kick and shake him. He dies of blunt force trauma to the head. The Autopsy revealed he had over 20 broken bones from this last beating and the coroner estimates that he was kicked in the head over 40 times.

Now i recognize you will view his parents as heroes, but can you tell me just what EVIL Gabriel did?

And, Voila, you're getting ever nearer to that lowest and most grotesque denominator.

Children who are confused about human sexuality shouldn't be denied the remedial help they need just because Gabriel Fernandez's parents did something worthy of a public hanging.

And to deny them such help could yet prove to have been more cruel than what Gabriel's parents did to him when the Judge of the earth finally settles accounts.

No second-hand horror stories—not even ones that have the advantage of being true—can change the Truth of the Word.

But a first-hand story would certainly make changing the way that truth was presented seem advisable.

Jesus saves.

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[CadyandZoe]

and saying that is...degrading and loaded with contempt.

If one man humiliates and degrades another man, it is not degrading for me to acknowledge it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

as is bigotry

How is it bigotry? You don't seem to know anything about the subject.

 

[TinMan]

He entertained evil thoughts of being gay... those thoughts came from the devil because God did not make him gay! Doing this is a sin before the Lord.

I don't believe he should have been beaten as the Lord never instructed anybody to do that to sinners.

He was 8.

 

[TinMan]

It is pathetic how you constantly deflect from the EVIL of homosexuality. Just because evil was done to homosexuals does not mean homosexuality is not evil.

Garbiel was apparently homosexual and there for evil. Didn't he deserve to suffer and die a horrible death at the hands of his loving parents?

 

[TinMan]

And, Voila, you're getting ever nearer to that lowest and most grotesque denominator.

Gabriel Fernandez shouldn't be denied the help he needs to recover from his confusion about human sexuality just because his parents did something worthy of a public hanging.

And to deny him such help could yet prove to have been more cruel than what they did to him when the Judge of the earth finally settles accounts.

No second-hand horror stories—not even ones that have the advantage of being true—can change the Truth of the Word.

But a first-hand story would certainly make changing the way that truth was presented seem advisable.

Jesus saves.

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How was he "confused"?
Do you have anything beyond prejudice to justify that?

 

[amigo de christo]

The Bible makes no false claims about homosexuality.



Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth.



There is no valid evidence that being the target of hate and discrimination directly causes mental health problems. Otherwise, all of the apostles would have been fruitcakes.



There is no such thing as "cognitive behaviorism."

Although I can hardly blame you for trying to make a legitimate mode of psychotherapy sound like a philosophy or a religion when it so effectively disputes your claims.

If you'd like to have a discussion about the scientific aspects of Ellis's (the second most influential psychotherapist in history) and Beck's REBT and CBT, I'd really like that.



Perhaps, but only until their frontal lobe develops enough for them to correctly self-reflect. Then they can correct their thoughts and feelings and become mentally healthy. It's no picnic, but the alternative is a life of despair.

Besides, wouldn't it be better to just tell a child that the things that are being urged upon them as indicators that they are exempt from natural sexual functionality are not necessarily conclusive and to encourage them to embrace the preponderance of material, biological evidence?

Should we encourage them to deny their divinely assigned purpose to avoid hurting their feelings?

Excess in shielding children from hardships has been shown to weaken their sense of resiliency and ability to navigate life's challenges.

And reducing hypothetical situations to the lowest and most grotesque denominators as you've done here and constantly insist upon doing doesn't help to solve problems, but only exacerbates them.

The presence of evil doesn't justify compounding it by reactionary ideology.

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The glorious truth of the LORD will always be found within the pages of scripture .
example . You were right when you said otherwise the apostels would have been fruit cakes .
This world comes against me every day barney . Sadly most in churches do as well .
YET THIS LAMB IS ONE HAPPY LAMB. Like i said in another post
this is twenty twenty three . Even a lot of churches have abandoned the whole truth of scripture .
The churches and world align as one against folks like me . Now its just word only for now . Its very mild persecution
for now . But its more persecution than even what a lot of gays and others faced even thirty years ago .
IN part . for example in schools or etc . As far as what some groups did to gays , WELL that was dead wrong
nor i have experienced that deeper persecution as of yet . I mean a few took to far to the extreme
and actually beat down gays or even killed some . That i have not yet experienced .
BUT i have experienced the social outcast that they try so hard and claim . OH YES . This gringo is ex communicated
from some places . BUT YOU DONT SEE ME ALL DEPRESSED about it and hollering for society
to ACCEPT ME for what i am . I know society wont accept me for what i am . AND i wear it as a badge of upmost honor too .
SOCIETY didnt accept JESUS now DID IT . and it wont accept his lambs either .
I GOT MY JOY and need naught but the LORD . As far as children , again you were right on that .
WE SHOULD RAISE THEM UP . RAISE THEM UP in THE WAY they should go . Chitlins or children ,
Can be decieved as much as any adult can . Children NEED TRUTH . not acceptance to their own paths .
WHAT CHILD do you KNOW that knows what is best for them . HECK what adult knows that .
GOD KNOWS . HE KNOWS . HE KNOWS BARNEY and lambs KNOW what is given us to know .
And that is this . TIME TO TRUST IN GOD , which does mean we actually trust in HIS WORDS TOO .
TIME we trust in HIM . TIME we open them bibles like lil babes and learn it well .
In case you have not noticed i dont bother one bit to reason out things to others by mans means .
JUST speak truth , whoever recieves it AMEN and be advised MANY WILL REJECT IT AS WELL .
This gringo is going out as i came in , came in , or i should say was LED IN ,
POINTING TO THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS , WHO KNOWS all things and thus HIS WORDS
i shall cling too . THERE is a way which will always seem right unto men , but the end will be death .
THEN THERE IS GODS WAY . THE ONLY WAY . THERE IS GODS WORDS , HIS WORDS are TRUTH .
JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY and if we are OF HIM we point to WHAT GOD INSPIRED . Now go ahead barney
Leap up out of that chair and praise the KING . Worry not who is around , JUST leap up and holler with all your heart
GOD is my GOD , JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY , THE SPIRIT is my guide and the bible is my book .
PS , dont worry what folks might think about ya . I Once told a friend of mine
years ago , while dancing in my front yard and praising the LORD , OH dont worry what the neighbors might think
THEY already think i am nuts , HECK I MAY as well have the JOY of the LORD . bask in the beauty of that for a while .

 

[TinMan]

How is it bigotry? You don't seem to know anything about the subject.

if you said what you post here about any other group of people it would be rightly called bigotry.

 

[TinMan]

The Bible makes no false claims about homosexuality.

The Christians here make false claims about homosexuality all the time.

 

[amigo de christo]

Gays HATE Christianity but they LOVE playing the victims and leading gays to Hell fire, just like Satan.

only one word was lacking . I will type it in large print .
You wrote , Gays hate christainty . You mean BIBLICAL christanity . cause a lot of gays happen to love todays version
of christanity WHICH IS NOT THE BIBLICAL VERSION of christanity . Most gays just like most folks
want to FEEL saved . FEEL saved . FEEL accepted . THUS just like most do they run to whatever version
of christanity suits them . THIS BE A FACT . This lamb , its gonna stick to BIBLICAL as in BIBLE christanity . all else
is BUT SINKING SANDS that SINK and when the bottom drops out the end is the lake of fire .
Imagine living your life , believing that GOD accepted you , that YOU KNEW JESUS
and yet on the day of the LORD being told DEPART FROM ME i never KNEW YOU . cause that is gonna
be a painful and terrifying fact for many ON HIS DAY . IF our jesus contradicts the JESUS in that bible
IF our jesus contradicts GOD and the words of TRUTH in that bible , Well i got real bad news . IT CANT SAVE SQUAT

 

[amigo de christo]

When he was 8 years old Gabriel Fernandez's (google him) parents observed his effeminate behavior and identified him as a homosexual. Over the next several weeks Gabrial was subjected to what I personally call hate and discrimination...and torture I recognize you will disagree. He was repeatedly asphyxiated, beaten with electrical wires bound, gagged and kept in a dog kennel. Burned with cigarettes, denied food for days in a row and when there was food he was forced to eat cat feces and rotting floor. If he threw it up he was forced to lick it all up and eat it again. When he tried to run out of the door he was shot with a BB gun. In the end he was thrown repeatedly against the wall until he went unconscious where his loving parent proceeded to kick and shake him. He dies of blunt force trauma to the head. The Autopsy revealed he had over 20 broken bones from this last beating and the coroner estimates that he was kicked in the head over 40 times.

Now i recognize you will view his parents as heroes, but can you tell me just what EVIL Gabriel did?

When amigo was about seven years old i was dressing up in my moms large t shirts pretending to be a girl .
THANK the LORD my parents didnt try and convince me or identify me as gay .
Parents should raise their children up n the way they should go .
NOT allow the child to believe he or she is something they are not .
PS , my dad didnt yell at me or beat me . He just calmly set me down and told me the truth .
boys and girls often fantasize about stuff that aint true dude . satan tempts children too dude .
But your SIN is worse than theirs , cause you try and use the bible to JUSTIFY THEIR SIN .
YOU will be far worse punished for your crimes against GOD and humanity . WELL if you dont repent you will .
NOW cease with this delusion, RIGHT NOW lest something horrendous come upon you .
And ps by horrendous , i speak of what you will be told ON THE DAY OF THE LORD if you repent not .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You mean BIBLICAL christanity

Exactly!

They love the fake christianity and that fake jesus that's going around.... you know, the one that accepts sin as being not so bad and that teaches once saved always saved.

The fake jesus teaches greasy grace to the masses which basically mean if one simply believes Jesus is a real person, they are saved! (aka, easy believism)

You can tell the followers of thew fake jesus as they vote democrat, they support sins of the flesh as being OK for christians to engage in, and in the news recently.... they support the muzlims in their attempts to destroy Israel

 

[BarneyFife]

How was he "confused"?
Do you have anything beyond prejudice to justify that?

I have edited the post to better address the situation.

Which changes nothing, essentially.

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[amigo de christo]

Exactly!

They love the fake christianity and that fake jesus that's going around.... you know, the one that accepts sin as being not so bad and that teaches once saved always saved.

The fake jesus teaches greasy grace to the masses which basically mean if one simply believes Jesus is a real person, they are saved! (aka, easy believism)

You can tell the followers of thew fake jesus as they vote democrat, they support sins of the flesh as being OK for christians to engage in, and in the news recently.... they support the muzlims in their attempts to destroy Israel View attachment 37278

Oh they dont just vote democrat , they vote conservative too . ITS ALL OVER THE PLACE now .
I know with zero doubt , that the agenda of the liberal dems cometh of satan .
I also know the conservative agenda , this might sting a bit , BUT IT DO TOO .
WE got problems all over the realm now . And to me it dont matter which side is worse or appears tobe worse .
I mean just looking at surface value its real easy to see the liberal agenda is of satan .
But just try scratching at the surface of the conservative realm . DOO DOO gonna be on them fingers
as you scratch and behold the image of satan appears revealed under the glitter . THEY DUPING BOTH CAMPS my friend .
THEY DUPING BOTH camps . and the solution is the most vile one of all , THEY ALSO MERGING both camps
to be as one . PIT and DIVIDE , then offer up the solutoin both sides agree too . Satan aint no dumby .
HE has both sides doing his bidding . BIBLE TIME . i repeat , all out amber alert to all that breathes air , ITS BIBLE TIME
my friends .

 

[BarneyFife]

The Christians here make false claims about homosexuality all the time.

Then let God's word be true and every man a liar.

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[amigo de christo]

Then let God's word be true and every man a liar.

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EXACTLY BARNEY . EXACTLY . we gots to open them bibles .

 

[CadyandZoe]

if you said what you post here about any other group of people it would be rightly called bigotry.

Only if it weren't true. But it IS true that homosexuals degrade each other, which is among the many reasons they suffer from depression, substance abuse and suicide.

And remember, I don't recognize homosexuality as a minority as you do. I have repeated quite often that homosexuality is a behavior, not an innate attribute of humanity. The homosexual act itself is degrading.

 

[BarneyFife]

The Christians here make false claims about homosexuality all the time.

How was he "confused"?
Do you have anything beyond prejudice to justify that?

So, so far, in terms of avoiding the fairness/incredulity/projection template:

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I also know the conservative agenda , this might sting a bit , BUT IT DO TOO .

The difference is the conservatives are not actively trying to destroy Christianity in the US and turn this nation in to a one party communist state like the dems are.

I agree that the conservatives are misguided on some things and are not representing the will of God... but they are head and shoulders above the democrats if so no other reason they haven't made murdering innocent little babies a cornerstone of their party.

 

[BarneyFife]

The difference is the conservatives are not actively trying to destroy Christianity in the US and turn this nation in to a one party communist state like the dems are.

I agree that the conservatives are misguided on some things and are not representing the will of God... but they are head and shoulders above the democrats if so no other reason they haven't made murdering innocent little babies a cornerstone of their party.

Unless you count communist babies.

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