Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

[Truthnightmare]

So you're denying saying: "No. Israel is not Israel, and because you are not familiar with what has happening to Israel you mistakenly lump all tribes together calling them all Israel."?

So you quoted me, but you won’t tell me what post you quoted me from?

You are obviously a liar.

 

[Jack]

So you quoted me, but you won’t tell me what post you quoted me from?

You are obviously a liar.

Since you insist: "No. Israel is not Israel, and because you are not familiar with what has happening to Israel you mistakenly lump all tribes together calling them all Israel."

Hamas has attacked Israel with 5000 rockets, 100 dead Israelis. Israel and Hamas now at war

According to the logic Oh, you're Israel? You're in Israel? Where did Israel go after their Assyrian captivity?

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Post 433

I gave you a chance to be honest, instead you called me a liar.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Since you insist: "No. Israel is not Israel, and because you are not familiar with what has happening to Israel you mistakenly lump all tribes together calling them all Israel."

Hamas has attacked Israel with 5000 rockets, 100 dead Israelis. Israel and Hamas now at war

According to the logic Oh, you're Israel? You're in Israel? Where did Israel go after their Assyrian captivity?

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Post 433

I gave you a chance to be honest, instead you called me a liar.

My apologies you are correct. What I should have said was the people in Israel are not the descendants of the Israelites of the Bible.

I am honest It was a quick refute of you saying Israel is Israel, sloppy articulation on my part.

 

[Jack]

My apologies you are correct. What I should have said was the people in Israel are not the descendants of the Israelites of the Bible.

Thank you for apologizing. Some cannot apologize.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Thank you for apologizing. Some cannot apologize.

I never really believed you were a liar, I’ve read to many of your post, but I did want you to present the evidence. Well I learned something about your fortitude and you learned something about my character. That’s a win in by book.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Thank you for apologizing. Some cannot apologize.

You’re still wrong!! Friend.

 

[Jack]

You’re still wrong!!

About what? LOL

 

[Truthnightmare]

About what? LOL

You believe the people in the land of Israel that claim to be Jews are descendants of the Israelites of the Bible, correct?

 

[Scott Downey]

You believe the people in the land of Israel that claim to be Jews are descendants of the Israelites of the Bible, correct?

Some are but there is not proof any will except as nothing is objective here.
They are the same as at the Exodus, a mixed multitude.
Israel is not defined to God according to the flesh, but by the Spirit.
God will save whom He wishes and call them Israel.
You cannot just dismiss all the scriptures of God restoring Israel to that land. That has to start somewhere, and I believe it did.
But this is not yet a completed work. Lots more prophecy is going to come to pass in the future.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Some are but there is not proof any will except as nothing is objective here.
They are the same as at the Exodus, a mixed multitude.
Israel is not defined to God according to the flesh, but by the Spirit.
God will save whom He wishes and call them Israel.
You cannot just dismiss all the scriptures of God restoring Israel to that land. That has to start somewhere, and I believe it did.
But this is not yet a completed work. Lots more prophecy is going to come to pass in the future.

Israel is not defined to God according to the flesh, but by the Spirit.

If we are defining things by the spirit, there is no Israel.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

You cannot just dismiss all the scriptures of God restoring Israel to that land. That has to start somewhere, and I believe it did.

Israel was given a new land, and they will return to Jerusalem at the appointed time. That time is not yet.

Again here are the prophecies of the new land, and it is not in Middle East.

1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.

2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.

3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.

4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.

7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.

8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2nd Sam. 7:13,19; 1st Chron. 22:10; 2nd Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.

9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.

10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.

11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.

12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.

13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.

14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2nd Sam. 7:16, 24, 29; 1st Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.

15. Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.

16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.

17. Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.

18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.

19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.

20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.

21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.

22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut. 15:6; 28.12.

23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.

24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).

25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.

26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.

27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).

28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.

29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.

30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.

31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.

32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.

33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.

34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.

35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.

36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.

37. Israel to be God's Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.

38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.

39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2nd Sam. 7:23; 1st Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.

40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.​

 

[dad]

Don't have a map? Get one. It's called Israel.

That seems rude

 

[dad]

Then why are you constantly attacking Israel? You should read your own posts!

Untrue

 

[dad]

That would not matter, as the LORD brought them back to the land.

Is there a verse to support that?

 

[dad]

Toddlers, wives and grandparents often get killed in war throughout human history. Given you are so concerned about Palestinian casulaties of war, you really ought to pressure Hamas to abandon terrorism. Simple.

They all should.

 

[Wrangler]

No I don’t side with Hamas, even though land was taken and Palestinian children were killed when the Jews took land, you don’t get to go shooting missiles at people who weren’t even born in 1948.

Huh? The right of conquest does not only apply for Muslims. Either surrender or resume the war. That’s it!

 

[The Learner]

You are confusing the intended "confusion" from God for "gobblygook" Genesis 11:7. Like I said, take your complains to God. I am not the Author of what I have been explaining, He is.

 

[The Learner]

Pay attention: "Do you even know where Jesus will return? It's called Israel! And He will FIGHT for Israel!"

Zechariah 14
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

I hope you or your loved ones aren't in this group. Israel is back to stay. God fights for Israel!

Zechariah 14

Easy-to-Read Version

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The Day of Judgment​

14 Look, the Lord has a special day of judgment coming, when the riches you have taken will be divided in your city. 2 I will bring all the nations together to fight against Jerusalem. They will capture the city and destroy the houses. The women will be raped, and half of the people will be taken away as prisoners. But the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go to war with those nations. It will be a real battle. 4 At that time he will stand on the Mount of Olives, the hill east of Jerusalem. The Mount of Olives will split in half. Part of the mountain will move to the north, and part to the south. A deep valley will open up, from the east to the west. 5 You will try to run away as that mountain valley comes closer and closer to you. You will run away like the time you ran from the earthquake during the time of King Uzziah of Judah. But the Lord my God will come, and all his holy ones[a] will be with him.
6-7 That will be a very special day. There will not be any light, cold, or frost. Only the Lord knows how, but there will not be any day or night. Then, when darkness usually comes, there will still be light. 8 At that time water will flow continually from Jerusalem.[b] That stream will split and part of it will flow east, and part of it will flow west to the Mediterranean Sea. And it will flow all year long, in the summer as well as in the winter. 9 And the Lord will be the King of the whole world. At that time all people will worship him as the only Lord with only one name. 10 And the whole land from Geba in the north to Rimmon in the south past Jerusalem will become a flat plain. The city of Jerusalem will stay in the same place, but it will be built high above the land around it. It will reach from the Benjamin Gate to the First Gate (that is, the Corner Gate) and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses. 11 People will move to Jerusalem because it will be a safe place to live. It will never again be destroyed.
12 But the Lord will punish the nations that fought against Jerusalem. He will send a terrible disease against them. Their skin will begin to rot while the people are still alive. Their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13-15 That terrible disease will be in the enemy camp, and all their horses, mules, camels, and donkeys will catch that terrible disease.
At that time they will be afraid of the Lord. Each man will grab his neighbor’s hand, and they will fight each other. Even Judah will fight against Jerusalem. This will happen even while armies from all the nations are surrounding the city. There will be much gold, silver, and clothing. 16 Some of the people who came to fight Jerusalem will survive. And every year they will come to worship the king, the Lord All-Powerful. They will come to celebrate the Festival of Shelters. 17 And if people from any of the families on earth don’t go to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord All-Powerful, no rain will fall on their land. 18 If any of the families in Egypt don’t come to celebrate the Festival of Shelters, they will get that terrible disease that the Lord caused the enemy nations to get. 19 That will be the punishment for Egypt, and for any other nation that does not come to celebrate the Festival of Shelters.
20 At that time even the harnesses on the horses will have the label, holy to the lord.[c] And all the pots used in the Lord’s Temple will be just as important as the bowls used at the altar. 21 In fact, every dish in Jerusalem and Judah will have the label, holy to the lord all-powerful. All the people offering sacrifices will come, take those dishes, and cook their special meals in them.
At that time there will not be any merchants buying and selling things[d] in the Temple of the Lord All-Powerful.

Footnotes​

1. Zechariah 14:5 holy ones Here, this probably means angels.
2. Zechariah 14:8 water … Jerusalem Literally, “living water will flow from Jerusalem.” Jerusalem’s main water supply, the Gihon spring, did not flow continuously.
3. Zechariah 14:20 Holy to the Lord These words were written on everything that was used in the Temple. This showed that these things belonged to the Lord, and that they could be used only for special purposes. Dishes with this labels could be used only by the priests in a holy place.
4. Zechariah 14:21 merchants … selling things Literally, “Canaanites.”

 

[The Learner]

Sit back and watch God fight for Israel, if you can.

Romans 3
1 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision?
2 Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect?
4 Certainly not!

Romans 3
Easy-to-Read Version
3 So, do Jews have anything that others don’t have? Do they get any benefit from being circumcised? 2 Yes, the Jews have many benefits. The most important one is this: God trusted the Jews with his teachings. 3 It is true that some Jews were not faithful to God. But will that stop God from doing what he promised? 4 No, even if everyone else is a liar, God will always do what he says. As the Scriptures say about him,

“You will be proved right in what you say,
and you will win when people accuse you.”

5 When we do wrong, that shows more clearly that God is right. So can we say that God does wrong when he punishes us? (That’s the way some people think.) 6 Of course not. If God could not punish us, how could he judge the world?

7 Someone might say, “When I lie, it really gives God glory, because my lie makes his truth easier to see. So why am I judged a sinner?” 8 It would be the same to say, “We should do evil so that good will come.” Many people criticize us, saying that’s what we teach. They are wrong, and they should be condemned for saying that.

All People Are Guilty
9 So are we Jews better than other people? No, we have already said that those who are Jews, as well as those who are not Jews, are the same. They are all guilty of sin. 10 As the Scriptures say,

“There is no one doing what is right,
not even one.
11 There is no one who understands.
There is no one who is trying to be with God.
12 They have all turned away from him,
and now they are of no use to anyone.
There is no one who does good,
not even one.”

13 “Their words come from mouths that are like open graves.
They use their lying tongues to deceive others.”

“Their words are like the poison of snakes.”

14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and angry words.”

15 “They are always ready to kill someone.
16 Everywhere they go they cause trouble and ruin.
17 They don’t know how to live in peace.”

18 “They have no fear or respect for God.”

19 What the law says is for those who are under the law. It stops anyone from making excuses. And it brings the whole world under God’s judgment, 20 because no one can be made right with God by following the law. The law only shows us our sin.

How God Makes People Right
21 But God has a way to make people right, and it has nothing to do with the law. He has now shown us that new way, which the law and the prophets told us about. 22 God makes people right through their faith in[a] Jesus Christ. He does this for all who believe in Christ. Everyone is the same. 23 All have sinned and are not good enough to share God’s divine greatness. 24 They are made right with God by his grace. This is a free gift. They are made right with God by being made free from sin through Jesus Christ. 25-26 God gave Jesus as a way to forgive people’s sins through their faith in him. God can forgive them because the blood sacrifice of Jesus pays for their sins. God gave Jesus to show that he always does what is right and fair. He was right in the past when he was patient and did not punish people for their sins. And in our own time he still does what is right. God worked all this out in a way that allows him to judge people fairly and still make right any person who has faith in Jesus.

27 So do we have any reason to boast about ourselves? No reason at all. And why not? Because we are depending on the way of faith, not on what we have done in following the law. 28 I mean we are made right with God through faith, not through what we have done to follow the law. This is what we believe. 29 God is not only the God of the Jews. He is also the God of those who are not Jews. 30 There is only one God. He will make Jews right with him by their faith, and he will also make non-Jews[c] right with him through their faith. 31 So do we destroy the law by following the way of faith? Not at all! In fact, faith causes us to be what the law actually wants.

Footnotes
Romans 3:22 their faith in Or “the faithfulness of.”
Romans 3:30 Jews Literally, “circumcision.”
Romans 3:30 non-Jews Literally, “uncircumcision.”

 

[The Learner]

had to skip a few pages.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Huh? The right of conquest does not only apply for Muslims. Either surrender or resume the war. That’s it!

Ok.. So it looks like the war has resumed. Eventually the USA will be unable to aid Israel in there affairs.